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2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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WinterLion said:
It's just a concern I have... and I thought I would mention it. It's not just size either. I'm also thinking about development path and the fact that Zadina seems like such a polished stone already. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but my point was that it kinda reminds me how I felt about Yakupov.
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But taking aside whatever talent Yakupov was supposed to have when he was drafted, is there no allowance being made for the fact that he's a head case? I don't know that Zadina exhibits any of the outlandish traits that flaky Yakupov did. It's a huge stretch to compare the two, IMHO.
 
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The Great Schlemko said:
My reason is because the dmen in the top 10 are very good, and I'm not a fan of the dmen that will be there for our 2nds. Yeah, it sucks that he isn't a center or a LHD, but he will be vital once Weber and Petry slow down considerable while Dobson is entering his prime. A guy like Zadina is a pretty good bet to be a top 6 forward, and probably a solid 1st line forward. Meanwhile, I am very confident is saying that Dobson is a good bet to be a top 4 dman who can probably be a #1 dman down the road. Now I do question how much of his offense will translate in the NHL, but a big 2 way dman that can play 25 min+ in every single situation is what every team wants. I love Hughes and Boqvist, but they do have their risks with them, especially because they are on the smaller side. Not saying that it's guaranteed that they won't reach their potential, far from it. But Dobson does have a higher floor than them. If they all end up being #1 dmen, Dobson may not put up the same numbers, but he will make up for that by playing a much more complete game.
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I love him. I don't think I've seen a game of his that I didn't like. After Dahlin he's the pretty clear #2 defenceman in this draft. I don't actually see the concerns about his offensive upside. He's extremely intelligent, which may be his best asset. That usually will translate to some offense in the show. More to the point, however, it's just necessary to be that #1 defenceman.
 
Runner77 said:
I love you man but repeating this ad nauseam is not going to change the fact that you're expecting this GM to get a clue. He hasn't in 6 off seasons, how is he suddenly going to do that now, esp. being counseled by the same incompetent staff?

I too like a proactive GM rather than a reactive one -- however, with this GM, you trade down and all you risk doing is putting Tkachuk squarely in his wheelhouse. Take the safe bet at 3rd OA and project more creative moves when the next GM comes in, is what I would humbly suggest.
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he could easily take Tkachuk at 3rd. I'm sure Churla is a fan and MB might think he's ready for the NHL. With Tkachuk's coach leaving BU for the NYR job, all bets on him returning are off anyway.
 
Runner77 said:
I love you man but repeating this ad nauseam is not going to change the fact that you're expecting this GM to get a clue. He hasn't in 6 off seasons, how is he suddenly going to do that now, esp. being counseled by the same incompetent staff?

I too like a proactive GM rather than a reactive one -- however, with this GM, you trade down and all you risk doing is putting Tkachuk squarely in his wheelhouse. Take the safe bet at 3rd OA and project more creative moves when the next GM comes in, is what I would humbly suggest.
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Im not expecting him to trade down, my point is that any of those guys work for me if we stay put.
 
The Great Schlemko said:
Im not expecting him to trade down, my point is that any of those guys work for me if we stay put.
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But you did say this: "... which is why if I were Bergevin, I would be doing everything to trade down to 8 or 9."

And you've been advocating this quite a bit over the last month. I see merit in your suggestion, just not in the reality we're in.
 
Runner77 said:
But you did say this: "... which is why if I were Bergevin, I would be doing everything to trade down to 8 or 9."

And you've been advocating this quite a bit over the last month. I see merit in your suggestion, just not in the reality we're in.
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It's just to mention that these guys are all very close. I see posts saying that we shouldn't trade down, but I'm just trying to understand why not? Why is this player better than this other player? Why is the difference not worth the extra asset? Ill stop though lol.
 
montreal said:
he could easily take Tkachuk at 3rd. I'm sure Churla is a fan and MB might think he's ready for the NHL. With Tkachuk's coach leaving BU for the NYR job, all bets on him returning are off anyway.
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I don't think it would be as easy to select Tkachuk at 3rd OA with the other options at that slot and with how so many sources are giving the edge to Zadina at that slot. Now, granted, that doesn't necessarily reflect what the Habs's list looks like, however, it's more likely than not that Zadina is ahead for most teams drawing lists. We'll have to wait for BobbyMac's list, I guess.
 
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The Great Schlemko said:
It's just to mention that these guys are all very close. I see posts saying that we shouldn't trade down, but I'm just trying to understand why not? Why is this player better than this other player? Why is the difference not worth the extra asset? Ill stop though lol.
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You mean all this time, you meant it in a rhetorical fashion? :laugh:

So many posters don't like how Bergevin is on reactive mode, so whenever you post that, it always gives me the impression of hoping or wanting him to be more proactive and "here's how" type thing.
 
Runner77 said:
You mean all this time, you meant it in a rhetorical fashion? :laugh:

So many posters don't like how Bergevin is on reactive mode, so whenever you post that, it always gives me the impression of hoping or wanting him to be more proactive and "here's how" type thing.
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I do see the posts that we shouldn't trade down, nothing to do with Bergevin. I'm solely talking about the talent and how close it is.
 
NotProkofievian said:
I love him. I don't think I've seen a game of his that I didn't like. After Dahlin he's the pretty clear #2 defenceman in this draft. I don't actually see the concerns about his offensive upside. He's extremely intelligent, which may be his best asset. That usually will translate to some offense in the show. More to the point, however, it's just necessary to be that #1 defenceman.
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Heresy.

What about the Bo of Qvist?
 
FrankMTL said:
Article about Filip Zadina in La Presse this morning. Love his confidence. To play in this market, you need to be borderline cocky, and that's what Zadina is. The article is French, so for those who don't speak, tough ****........ :laugh: Kidding :naughty: I just don't have time to translate it, sorry! :thumbu:

Filip Zadina veut être le meilleur - La Presse+
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Tough to not like Zadina after reading that. Kid has the right mentality to be the best player he can be. And he's very correct in saying how he was the best player on the ice when he went toe to toe with Svechnikov both times (WJC and Top Prospects Game). I love that he took it upon himself to elevate his game and show that he was better- and then went on and did it.
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I also really like that part:

Everybody talks to me about my shot. It's probably my greatest strength. I have always worked on it. I've always had that talent, but I had to work on it. I have a good shot, but I want to have the best in the NHL.
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I'm really digging that kind of confidence and desire to be the best. We haven't had a player like that since PK left.
 
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The Great Schlemko said:
I do see the posts that we shouldn't trade down, nothing to do with Bergevin. I'm solely talking about the talent and how close it is.
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We'll have to substitute that "If I were Bergevin" preamble, then. "If TGS were the GM ..." sounds way better to me.
 
THN's Top 10, courtesy of H30:

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Runner77 said:
But taking aside whatever talent Yakupov was supposed to have when he was drafted, is there no allowance being made for the fact that he's a head case? I don't know that Zadina exhibits any of the outlandish traits that flaky Yakupov did. It's a huge stretch to compare the two, IMHO.
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I definitely agree with you that it is a stretch... but it's at least an example of a guy that was more developed and highly touted that turned out to not be the best pick. Also I don't remember much of that talk when he was about to be 1st overall.
Anyways, I'm not saying this will happen, but in my experience following drafts the guys who are hitting their stride often do pretty good.
 
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The Great Schlemko said:
I think I finally made up my mind and I'll take Dobson.
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I like Dobson, and won't be upset at all if we took him. I would be disappointed though and nothing against him. It's just that the past year sucked so bad, I guess I was just wanting more. Too bad there weren't 5 generational players this year but I guess then the word generation loses some muster.
 
WinterLion said:
It's just a concern I have... and I thought I would mention it. It's not just size either. I'm also thinking about development path and the fact that Zadina seems like such a polished stone already. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but my point was that it kinda reminds me how I felt about Yakupov.
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Let's just hope that doesn't happen, unless we take somebody else and thus I won't care, lol.
 
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