2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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I'm going to give it another shot.

Can someone here please provide their opinion about whether any of the centers that are likely to be available in the second round, whether any of them have top 6 potential? If so, who?

Thanks in advance.

I like Wise, Dellandrea, and O'Brien. All of these guys have top 6 potential IMO. I have heard other names as well but I have only looked in depth from the 20-40 range. I think there is a cluster of similar talent in that range. The 1st round typical talent expands to mid 2nd round in this draft IMO.
 
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If we had less holes on center and LD, I would love to add Tkachuk. He is the perfect type I am looking for to play with Drouin, Galchenyuk, Scherbak type players. But I'm not taking him over Svechnikov, Zadina, Dobson, Wahlstrom. I would take him over Boqvist and Hughes though. I like Boqvist and Hughes a lot but I prefer the Size/Skill/Skating combo on the back end. I just don't see them becoming a Karlsson type. I'll eat my words later but I'm banking on probability
I really, really like Tkachuk. If you told me a year ago we'd be in a position to not only draft him but pass on him, I'd have thought you were crazy. I think he's a perfect fit next to the wingers we have, he'd open up space for the Drouins/Galchneyuks/Scherbaks, as I don't view skill as what we are lacking in.

That said, Zadina brings a little of what Tkachuk brings, a willingness to go to the net and pay the price to create goals- he just happens to have a much superior skillset albeit in a less intimidating physique. Passing on Zadina for Tkachuk would be a mistake IMO.
 
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I like Wise, Dellandrea, and O'Brien. All of these guys have top 6 potential IMO. I have heard other names as well but I have only looked in depth from the 20-40 range. I think there is a cluster of similar talent in that range. The 1st round typical talent expands to mid 2nd round in this draft IMO.

Hillis will be there with our first 2nd rounder (90% sure anyways), and maybe our second 2nd rounder (50%). I'd take him before all but Dellandrea.

I'd like O'Brien also, but I am hoping he'd be around for our 3rd pick.
 
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I really, really like Tkachuk. If you told me a year ago we'd be in a position to not only draft him but pass on him, I'd have thought you were crazy. I think he's a perfect fit next to the wingers we have, he'd open up space for the Drouins/Galchneyuks/Scherbaks, as I don't view skill as what we are lacking in.

That said, Zadina brings a little of what Tkachuk brings, a willingness to go to the net and pay the price to create goals- he just happens to have a much superior skillset albeit in a less intimidating physique. Passing on Zadina for Tkachuk would be a mistake IMO.

We see it the same. I like Tkachuk as we need his type mixed in our forward group but I'm taking Zadina
 
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I like Wise, Dellandrea, and O'Brien. All of these guys have top 6 potential IMO. I have heard other names as well but I have only looked in depth from the 20-40 range. I think there is a cluster of similar talent in that range. The 1st round typical talent expands to mid 2nd round in this draft IMO.

I had not paid attention to O'Brien until I heard Mark Edwards tout him a few weeks ago. Then I began looking for footage about him and there wasn't much available. G0bias was kind enough to put something together in this thread.

Seems like he's flying under the radar, but perhaps that's just me as a non-expert fan in respect of prospects. I wonder if he'll really go high in the 2nd round, where Edwards has him slated. Could he be one of those players who has late first round value but could be had later in the 2nd? He's intriguing.

What do you like about him?
 
We see it the same. I like Tkachuk as we need his type mixed in our forward group but I'm taking Zadina
Ya I think ultimately Zadina is more of slam dunk at 3 than most care to admit. I think if we are taking a forward he's the man. I think the wrinkle that could be thrown in there is if we fall in love with one of these D. For me Hughes is the guy I think we'd look at, seems to check the need box (LD), proximity box, the TT American love affair box, and the Bergevin Skating/Compete box. Not to mention he's sickly talented... Dobson is definitely a darkhorse, and I'd understand the pick. In a vaccum, I can see why he'd be viewed as a more valuable asset than Hughes, but I think Hughes is just is the better fit. Having the ability to develop him beside Weber would give him an amazing chance to hit his considerable ceiling as well.
 
A few nights ago I watched two of Kotkaniemi's games back to back: the one that I attended on September 26th against IFK, and their last regular season game against IFK on March 10th. The development of his entire game was striking. By the end of the season he was a two way beast, and we saw that at the U18s. In the first period he won the draw that led to Pori's first goal, blocked a shot, and caused a turnover leading to a prime scoring chance. Second period he leaned into a wrist shot for his 10th of the year. And yes, he's faster, if still awkward.
 
I had not paid attention to O'Brien until I heard Mark Edwards tout him a few weeks ago. Then I began looking for footage about him and there wasn't much available. G0bias was kind enough to put something together in this thread.

Seems like he's flying under the radar, but perhaps that's just me as a non-expert fan in respect of prospects. I wonder if he'll really go high in the 2nd round, where Edwards has him slated. Could he be one of those players who has late first round value but could be had later in the 2nd? He's intriguing.

What do you like about him?

My strategy about evaluating prospects is to look at Size/Skating/Skill. If they have all 3, I'm intrigued. As far as O'brien, I mentioned his name months ago and got the back-lash comment that he was a "meh" prospect. The other thing I want to see in a center is goal scoring ability. Doesn't matter what league they play in... are they scoring goals? O'Brien has 43 goals in 30 games so he is obviously a goal scoring center. I like this. Maybe it's because I'm tired of the Habs passing in shooting opportunities time and time again cause they have no confidence in their shot. This has been a problem for team several years now. Look at the contenders... they all have players with size/skating/skill and they have several centers who can shoot the puck! It's important if you want to win games when you face off against the elite teams or you won't be scoring goals.

I'm cautious with smaller type centers who are pass happy. Applies to guys on D too. I like Mete a lot but he needs to work on his shot. He will get in scoring opportunities but we need him to be a threat to score. Shooting the puck in the chest of the goalie don't work for me.

Look at a guy like McCarron. He has size and limited skating and skill. Then go look at his goal scoring power before being drafted. He was a terrible 1st round pick cause we got fooled with his size and we were hoping he could develop more skill and skating. That's not a smart 1st round throw of a dart. You make those attempts with 3rd or 4th round picks typically cause the options become less.
 
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We will know more when Bob's list comes out.. but here's my top 62

#4 - Oliver Wahlstrom: Likely projects at RW at the NHL level, has C qualities and would require patience/good development
#6 - Jesperi Kotkaniemi: Needs to address his skating but projects at C
#13: Isaac Lundestrom: Smooth skating pivot, middle 6 C upside but is a safe bet to realize that potential
#15 - Jonatan Berggren: Similar style to Drouin/Kane as someone who controls the puck like a C but does it from the wing
#17 - Akil Thomas: Could get bounced to the wing due to size but I believe he's gonna make a great C in the NHL. Needs to work on his consistency.
#18 - Barrett Hayton: Buried on a team, has some good qualities, safe bet to be a middle 6 C
#23 - Rasmus Kupari: Has elite tools across the board, the toolbox and brain is in question
#24 - Ty Dellandrea: Skill, jam, plays hard.
#25 - Blake McLaughlin: Skilled guy who is a toss up to play wing or C, gotta like his finishing ability and his puck control.
#26 - Ruslan Iskhakov: With his size, hes a total boom or bust and I see him on the wing
#27 - Jacob Olofsson: I've cooled off on him because I got flashbacks to being so wrong about Jacob Josefson. Flashes of offensive upside but I think becomes an Eller type C.
#30 - Joe Veleno: At the end of the 1st is when I consider him, won't be there. He's a trap prospect because he doesn't have the offensive qualities needed to be a top line C and will be selected where people think that's the case.
#31 - Cameron Hillis: First year OHLer, insane playmaking skills, smooth with the puck and smooth on his skates. Not the biggest guy but is smart and skilled.
#32 - Liam Foudy: He's gonna play wing due to his play style and his speed is more an asset flying the zone
#33 - Semyon Der-Arguchintsev: One of the babies of the draft class, Datsyukian hands, smooth, smart, skilled and on a bad team.
#34 - Ivan Morozov: 200 ft pivot with a great one timer, is hungry on pucks, turns them over and creates offense with smart short passes and off the cycle.
#40: Philip Kurashev: This guy is playing wing and sniping at the next level.
#43 - Alexander Khovanov: Had first round talent, got hepatitis, sickness really affected his performance. The gamble is there.
#45 - Cole Fonstad: I truly think he's another W who controls the puck like a C.
#47 - David Gustafsson: Foot speed is the big issue and it's tough to know where he plays in the NHL because of this.
#48 - Jay O'Brien: Raw, talented, played in a lesser league so it's tough to evaluate how good he is and where he plays at the next level
#49- Jack Drury: A lot like his Uncle, plays hard, a lot of effort, coaches love him, questioned his offense early on and then he basically produced in every game in the USHL which is a tough league to score in.
#50: Jake Wise: Small guy, shows good instincts and skills but can disappear for long stretches.
#51: Matej Pekar: Smart and underrated playmaking C
#52: Tyler Madden: Skilled pivot who also has the defensive side of the game down.. offensive upside needs to continue to grow
#58 - Jan Jenik: A typical raw skilled Czech, probably a winger, tough to know right now
#59: Milos Roman - Has some skills and upside.
#61: Eric Florchuk - Pro style center, shows some good hands in spurts, shows good finish ability in spurts, shows good playmaking ability in spurts.. needs to refine his game.
#62: Alexander Steeves: Power forward winger with a heavy shot at the next level.

I'd be confident in saying all the players I've listed have at least 2nd line C potential, but there's a lot of question marks and nothing is guaranteed, but they've all flashed enough skill on occasion to believe it within the realm of possibility but by no means a likelihood.
Nice list man.....like really, I admire your dedication and hard work in putting out these types of lists for us to read......I feel like Biff that got someone to do my homework for me :laugh:

Keep it up man, I'm sure it's appreciated by all posters!! :thumbu:
 
My strategy about evaluating prospects is to look at Size/Skating/Skill. If they have all 3, I'm intrigued. As far as O'brien, I mentioned his name months ago and got the back-lash comment that he was a "meh" prospect. The other thing I want to see in a center is goal scoring ability. Doesn't matter what league they play in... are they scoring goals? O'Brien has 43 goals in 30 games so he is obviously a goal scoring center. I like this. Maybe it's because I'm tired of the Habs passing in shooting opportunities time and time again cause they have no confidence in their shot. This has been a problem for team several years now. Look at the contenders... they all have players with size/skating/skill and they have several centers who can shoot the puck! It's important if you want to win games when you face off against the elite teams or you won't be scoring goals.

I'm cautious with smaller type centers who are pass happy. Applies to guys on D too. I like Mete a lot but he needs to work on his shot. He will get in scoring opportunities but we need him to be a threat to score. Shooting the puck in the chest of the goalie don't work for me

I like size as an attribute but only after Skill, Skating and overall Hockey IQ (wouldn't skill be a function of Hockey IQ?). While getting prospects possessing all of these characteristics is a long shot or you have to be incredibly lucky with the right draft slot, at the right time and your scouting department is on the ball, the fact of the matter is you can't have a lineup that only features smallish centers -- you'd ideally want someone with all of these attributes on your first line and be able to use maximum minutes on him.

Now, doesn't mean anyone selected in the late first or early second rounds can be that guy but this is where a good scouting department's risk analysis comes into play. They have access to data points and viewings that most of us don't. I like the idea of a darkhorse or someone who slips to us where the overwhelming reason appears to be lack of exposure and lack of playing time in a major tournament. This is where you can maximize the impact of a non-first round pick.
 
Nice list man.....like really, I admire your dedication and hard work in putting out these types of lists for us to read......I feel like Biff that got someone to do my homework for me :laugh:

Keep it up man, I'm sure it's appreciated by all posters!! :thumbu:

I can't say enough for W3K and all the others in this thread who provide so much material. Makes chumps like me way smarter than I'd be in anticipation of the draft. Thanks guys for making me look good. :laugh:
 
A few nights ago I watched two of Kotkaniemi's games back to back: the one that I attended on September 26th against IFK, and their last regular season game against IFK on March 10th. The development of his entire game was striking. By the end of the season he was a two way beast, and we saw that at the U18s. In the first period he won the draw that led to Pori's first goal, blocked a shot, and caused a turnover leading to a prime scoring chance. Second period he leaned into a wrist shot for his 10th of the year. And yes, he's faster, if still awkward.

A good measure about his skating is to evaluate the league he plays in. Is it a above average skating league? My only concern with me is he is able to survive in one league but struggles with less time and space when he faces more players who are better skaters. Not saying he is a bad skater but if we are going to evaluate him, we need to calculate his projected progression and how it translate to the NHL where the skating is elite level.
 
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Hell, I'm provided with this beautiful information and I STILL look like an idiot LOL

Nah, you're not. You have a lot of posts in this thread and you're not afraid to take a stance. Props to you.
 
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I like size as an attribute but only after Skill, Skating and overall Hockey IQ (wouldn't skill be a function of Hockey IQ?). While getting prospects possessing all of these characteristics is a long shot or you have to be incredibly lucky with the right draft slot, at the right time and your scouting department is on the ball, the fact of the matter is you can't have a lineup that only features smallish centers -- you'd ideally want someone with all of these attributes on your first line and be able to use maximum minutes on him.

Now, doesn't mean anyone selected in the late first or early second rounds can be that guy but this is where a good scouting department's risk analysis comes into play. They have access to data points and viewings that most of us don't. I like the idea of a darkhorse or someone who slips to us where the overwhelming reason appears to be lack of exposure and lack of playing time in a major tournament. This is where you can maximize the impact of a non-first round pick.

I'm greedy. I want all 3 when I throw my dart as a prospect. I want all Skating/Size/Skill.
 
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I'm greedy. I want all 3 when I throw my dart as a prospect. I want all Skating/Size/Skill.

Me too, lol.

However, how realistic is it to vye for all three when you're past the first round? I think those three skills are the lot of the first tier of the first round of most draft years, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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A good measure about his skating is to evaluate the league he plays in. Is it a above average skating league? My only concern with me is he is able to survive in one league but struggles with less time and space when he faces more players who are better skaters. Not saying he is a bad skater but if we are going to evaluate him, we need to calculate his projected progression and how it translate to the NHL where the skating is elite level.

Compared to the NHL, every league is slow. The combination of elite skating and small ice surface make it impossible to find a comparable. However, it should be said that Jesperi was thriving in a league that is lightning quick compared to all junior leagues and the NCAA. I mean, compared to junior A leagues like BCHL, USHL, SuperElit, it's practically a different sport. He has to improve, but it's not really the case that he's a lumbering oaf who can't keep up with the play.
 
Okay. Draft day can’t come quickly enough!

With that being said, I really want everybody to be honest and ask themselves, how many time said you guys correctly predicted the top 5-10 of a draft.

Did people see Barkov being Florida’s pick? Did anybody thought Scheifele being taken before Couturier? Dubois over Puljujaarvi? What else..did anybody thought Thomas Hickey would go 4th overall?

My point is the draft is unpredictable. Central scouting, ISS, THN, etc might create a consensus but it’s not our team’s consensus.

With that being said, I think my pick for our team would be Brady Tkachuk. We have no player of his skillset and I think he would be an impact and franchise player for us. You win Cups with players like him and who knows, he might translate to center. All I see, is a freaking Ryan Getzlaf clone. This is not a Logan Brown or a Lawson Crouse. He’s a skilled player with insane IQ.

Think of it, Galchenyuk and Pacioretty are already established goal scorers that Zadina is projected to be. Brady’s potential is much higher than most of us here give him credit for.

Call me crazy but we’ll find out on Draft day Hahahaha

If not, give me Zadina lol
 
Nice list man.....like really, I admire your dedication and hard work in putting out these types of lists for us to read......I feel like Biff that got someone to do my homework for me :laugh:

Keep it up man, I'm sure it's appreciated by all posters!! :thumbu:

That's actually really nice of you to say because no, it's not appreciated by all posters. Every single year, the draft thread regulars are attacked by people whom are never seen in the draft threads all year. It's like clockwork.
 
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