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Late round hf habs swedish darlings review -

Linus Karlsson - Smart player, would draft. Needs to get faster, but his skating is technically fine.
Carl Wassenius - Awful, awful skater. Has smooth hands and a powerful shot, but good god.
Simon Johansson - Smart, smooth skater, pro size, may have some serious upside
Axel Bergkvist - Reminds me of Nicolas Beaudin, both in ability and concerns. Fantastic passer, but he's small and not an elite skater. Don't think he gets drafted this year, but there's something there.
Markus Karlberg - Shinny player.
 
The Great Schlemko said:
I will lose my **** if we get Tkachuk. This is the one pick I don't expect them to **** up.
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Runner77 said:
It would be too good. Imagine Tkachuk after all the posts and analysis in here going in a totally opposite direction. This place would implode.
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Here we are hoping Bergevin does everything he can to move up to #2 so we can get Svechnikov, only for us to draft Tkachuk anyways.
 
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Andrei79 said:
Wtf is this post? I was answering your own question.
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Relax. Like I said, not going to argue about 1". And you didn't answer the question. Do you think Hughes's ceiling type is a Karlsson? Yes or no? If no, who do you have him compared to? What player under 6'-0" to you think he compares to? That's the discussion.
 
sandviper said:
Here we are hoping Bergevin does everything he can to move up to #2 so we can get Svechnikov, only for us to draft Tkachuk anyways.
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That would be hilarious in a bad way.

I'm not one of the Tkachuk 'haters', if we get him at 3 I won't throw a tantrum (I have Zadina and Wahlstrom in front of him though).

But Tkachuk at 2, in front of Svechnikov could be spectacularly bad...
 
L4br3cqu3 said:
That would be hilarious in a bad way.

I'm not one of the Tkachuk 'haters', if we get him at 3 I won't throw a tantrum (I have Zadina and Wahlstrom in front of him though).

But Tkachuk at 2, in front of Svechnikov could be spectacularly bad...
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Honestly, I am just as guilty bashing Tkachuk and joking about him, but I wouldn't mind it so much to get him so long it's done through a scenario where we trade down outside the top-8. I do think he is a top-12 talent but he's not top-5 to me. I think I will be one of those who'd throw a tantrum if we got him at #3 though I'll probably come around during the summer, lol.

I know based on history, draft day is going to slow HF Boards down a lot. If Tkachuk gets picked top-3, I think this site will be impossible to get into.
 
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ToLegitToQuit said:
Relax. Like I said, not going to argue about 1". And you didn't answer the question. Do you think Hughes's ceiling type is a Karlsson? Yes or no? If no, who do you have him compared to? What player under 6'-0" to you think he compares to? That's the discussion.
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You asked for top 4D's under 6', that's why I thought it important to add Karlsson. He was about Hughes' size when he was drafted. That was "my point" to cite you, I was answering your question.

Hughes has a solid wrist shot, but its his slapper that makes me question how effective he'll be. He certainly has the pure skill to be a 50, if not 60+ point defenseman.

I don't think there's any D quite like him. He's a faster skater than Subban, but his edges and puck handling are just as good. Obviously, he's not as strong. He's kind of like a Barzal on defense.
 
Andrei79 said:
You asked for top 4D's under 6', that's why I thought it important to add Karlsson. He was about Hughes' size when he was drafted. That was "my point" to cite you, I was answering your question.

Hughes has a solid wrist shot, but its his slapper that makes me question how effective he'll be. He certainly has the pure skill to be a 50, if not 60+ point defenseman.

I don't think there's any D quite like him. He's a faster skater than Subban, but his edges and puck handling are just as good. Obviously, he's not as strong. He's kind of like a Barzal on defense.
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In what realm is Hughes wrist shot solid? Mediocre is a term id use.
 
sandviper said:
Honestly, I am just as guilty bashing Tkachuk and joking about him, but I wouldn't mind it so much to get him so long it's done through a scenario where we trade down outside the top-8. I do think he is a top-12 talent but he's not top-5 to me. I think I will be one of those who'd throw a tantrum if we got him at #3 though I'll probably come around during the summer, lol.

I know based on history, draft day is going to slow HF Boards down a lot. If Tkachuk gets picked top-3, I think this site will be impossible to get into.
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Hahaha yeah, and with HF lag problems lately, a crash is bound to happen.

You're right though, ideally he should be outside the top-5, but to me he's top 10.

Would be weird at 3, but, I don't think we'll get him there anyway.

I'm just preparing myself mentally for that, just in case :laugh:

Mrb1p said:
Ill like Tkachuk as a player and its going to be sad to see the bashing of him here, hope they dont pick him. Its gonna be Weber 2.0
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Yeah, possibly... a bit like if Habs picked Kreider in front of Leblanc while the draft was in Montreal, kid would have been booed to no end for reasons out of his control.

But, like I said earlier, Tkachuk probably won't be our pick anyway. And both Zadina and Svechnikov have a good work ethic, so at least they're not out of the picture for the 'attitude/character' thing MB has... :laugh:
 
If we had less holes on center and LD, I would love to add Tkachuk. He is the perfect type I am looking for to play with Drouin, Galchenyuk, Scherbak type players. But I'm not taking him over Svechnikov, Zadina, Dobson, Wahlstrom. I would take him over Boqvist and Hughes though. I like Boqvist and Hughes a lot but I prefer the Size/Skill/Skating combo on the back end. I just don't see them becoming a Karlsson type. I'll eat my words later but I'm banking on probability
 
jaffy27 said:
I think they go defenseman and select Dobson if he's available.

Kotkamiemi will go to either NYR at 9 or Islanders at 11 or 12 IMHO.......I'd target these two teams for trade (Pacioretty)
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I can see the Rangers going D actually. They drafted both Andersson & Chytil (2 centers) last year. Not much on D for them right now especially of the PP QB variety.

Hughes, Dobson or Smith would be good adds for them.

Chicago is tougher because their
core is aging. Kotkaniemi makes sense because Toews play has decreased a lot & they need centers. OTOH Keith's play really went down this year & he's 35 in July. Seabrook was benched for poor play. Like NYR, they could use a PP QB.

Chicago will take whoever they think is BPA. It could be Kotkaniemi, it could be Dobson or Smith. They need to build a new core over the next 5 years.

Rangers have already talked about trading one of their 3 first round picks. I doubt they trade 9, but we should definitely be discussing it with them.

If Isles sign Tavares then one of their 2 firsts might become available to help improve the team next year. If they don't, I think they keep both.
 
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Andrei79 said:
You asked for top 4D's under 6', that's why I thought it important to add Karlsson. He was about Hughes' size when he was drafted. That was "my point" to cite you, I was answering your question.

Hughes has a solid wrist shot, but its his slapper that makes me question how effective he'll be. He certainly has the pure skill to be a 50, if not 60+ point defenseman.

I don't think there's any D quite like him. He's a faster skater than Subban, but his edges and puck handling are just as good. Obviously, he's not as strong. He's kind of like a Barzal on defense.
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Kind of what I was thinking... if he becomes elite, he is a new breed and it's hard to compare him to just one NHL current defenseman. The sub 6'-0" class of defenseman is not as good as the 6'-0" and higher. Yeah Karlsson is a fringe 6'-0" but but I'd be surprised he turns into a Karlsson type. I was up and down on Hughes all year and I have my concerns on how good he will be. He certainly needs to get stronger if he is going to survive the NHL.

I have seen Hughes ranked all over the place in the top 10 all year. I understand why. Very similar size to Smith IMO but has more offensive skill. Smith is a fringe top 10 ranking.
 
I'm going to give it another shot.

Can someone here please provide their opinion about whether any of the centers that are likely to be available in the second round, whether any of them have top 6 potential? If so, who?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Runner77 said:
I'm going to give it another shot.

Can someone here please provide their opinion about whether any of the centers that are likely to be available in the second round, whether any of them have top 6 potential? If so, who?

Thanks in advance.
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We will know more when Bob's list comes out.. but here's my top 62

#4 - Oliver Wahlstrom: Likely projects at RW at the NHL level, has C qualities and would require patience/good development
#6 - Jesperi Kotkaniemi: Needs to address his skating but projects at C
#13: Isaac Lundestrom: Smooth skating pivot, middle 6 C upside but is a safe bet to realize that potential
#15 - Jonatan Berggren: Similar style to Drouin/Kane as someone who controls the puck like a C but does it from the wing
#17 - Akil Thomas: Could get bounced to the wing due to size but I believe he's gonna make a great C in the NHL. Needs to work on his consistency.
#18 - Barrett Hayton: Buried on a team, has some good qualities, safe bet to be a middle 6 C
#23 - Rasmus Kupari: Has elite tools across the board, the toolbox and brain is in question
#24 - Ty Dellandrea: Skill, jam, plays hard.
#25 - Blake McLaughlin: Skilled guy who is a toss up to play wing or C, gotta like his finishing ability and his puck control.
#26 - Ruslan Iskhakov: With his size, hes a total boom or bust and I see him on the wing
#27 - Jacob Olofsson: I've cooled off on him because I got flashbacks to being so wrong about Jacob Josefson. Flashes of offensive upside but I think becomes an Eller type C.
#30 - Joe Veleno: At the end of the 1st is when I consider him, won't be there. He's a trap prospect because he doesn't have the offensive qualities needed to be a top line C and will be selected where people think that's the case.
#31 - Cameron Hillis: First year OHLer, insane playmaking skills, smooth with the puck and smooth on his skates. Not the biggest guy but is smart and skilled.
#32 - Liam Foudy: He's gonna play wing due to his play style and his speed is more an asset flying the zone
#33 - Semyon Der-Arguchintsev: One of the babies of the draft class, Datsyukian hands, smooth, smart, skilled and on a bad team.
#34 - Ivan Morozov: 200 ft pivot with a great one timer, is hungry on pucks, turns them over and creates offense with smart short passes and off the cycle.
#40: Philip Kurashev: This guy is playing wing and sniping at the next level.
#43 - Alexander Khovanov: Had first round talent, got hepatitis, sickness really affected his performance. The gamble is there.
#45 - Cole Fonstad: I truly think he's another W who controls the puck like a C.
#47 - David Gustafsson: Foot speed is the big issue and it's tough to know where he plays in the NHL because of this.
#48 - Jay O'Brien: Raw, talented, played in a lesser league so it's tough to evaluate how good he is and where he plays at the next level
#49- Jack Drury: A lot like his Uncle, plays hard, a lot of effort, coaches love him, questioned his offense early on and then he basically produced in every game in the USHL which is a tough league to score in.
#50: Jake Wise: Small guy, shows good instincts and skills but can disappear for long stretches.
#51: Matej Pekar: Smart and underrated playmaking C
#52: Tyler Madden: Skilled pivot who also has the defensive side of the game down.. offensive upside needs to continue to grow
#58 - Jan Jenik: A typical raw skilled Czech, probably a winger, tough to know right now
#59: Milos Roman - Has some skills and upside.
#61: Eric Florchuk - Pro style center, shows some good hands in spurts, shows good finish ability in spurts, shows good playmaking ability in spurts.. needs to refine his game.
#62: Alexander Steeves: Power forward winger with a heavy shot at the next level.

I'd be confident in saying all the players I've listed have at least 2nd line C potential, but there's a lot of question marks and nothing is guaranteed, but they've all flashed enough skill on occasion to believe it within the realm of possibility but by no means a likelihood.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
We will know more when Bob's list comes out.. but here's my top 62

#4 - Oliver Wahlstrom: Likely projects at RW at the NHL level, has C qualities and would require patience/good development
#6 - Jesperi Kotkaniemi: Needs to address his skating but projects at C
#13: Isaac Lundestrom: Smooth skating pivot, middle 6 C upside but is a safe bet to realize that potential
#15 - Jonatan Berggren: Similar style to Drouin/Kane as someone who controls the puck like a C but does it from the wing
#17 - Akil Thomas: Could get bounced to the wing due to size but I believe he's gonna make a great C in the NHL. Needs to work on his consistency.
#18 - Barrett Hayton: Buried on a team, has some good qualities, safe bet to be a middle 6 C
#23 - Rasmus Kupari: Has elite tools across the board, the toolbox and brain is in question
#24 - Ty Dellandrea: Skill, jam, plays hard.
#25 - Blake McLaughlin: Skilled guy who is a toss up to play wing or C, gotta like his finishing ability and his puck control.
#26 - Ruslan Iskhakov: With his size, hes a total boom or bust and I see him on the wing
#27 - Jacob Olofsson: I've cooled off on him because I got flashbacks to being so wrong about Jacob Josefson. Flashes of offensive upside but I think becomes an Eller type C.
#30 - Joe Veleno: At the end of the 1st is when I consider him, won't be there. He's a trap prospect because he doesn't have the offensive qualities needed to be a top line C and will be selected where people think that's the case.
#31 - Cameron Hillis: First year OHLer, insane playmaking skills, smooth with the puck and smooth on his skates. Not the biggest guy but is smart and skilled.
#32 - Liam Foudy: He's gonna play wing due to his play style and his speed is more an asset flying the zone
#33 - Semyon Der-Arguchintsev: One of the babies of the draft class, Datsyukian hands, smooth, smart, skilled and on a bad team.
#34 - Ivan Morozov: 200 ft pivot with a great one timer, is hungry on pucks, turns them over and creates offense with smart short passes and off the cycle.
#40: Philip Kurashev: This guy is playing wing and sniping at the next level.
#43 - Alexander Khovanov: Had first round talent, got hepatitis, sickness really affected his performance. The gamble is there.
#45 - Cole Fonstad: I truly think he's another W who controls the puck like a C.
#47 - David Gustafsson: Foot speed is the big issue and it's tough to know where he plays in the NHL because of this.
#48 - Jay O'Brien: Raw, talented, played in a lesser league so it's tough to evaluate how good he is and where he plays at the next level
#49- Jack Drury: A lot like his Uncle, plays hard, a lot of effort, coaches love him, questioned his offense early on and then he basically produced in every game in the USHL which is a tough league to score in.
#50: Jake Wise: Small guy, shows good instincts and skills but can disappear for long stretches.
#51: Matej Pekar: Smart and underrated playmaking C
#52: Tyler Madden: Skilled pivot who also has the defensive side of the game down.. offensive upside needs to continue to grow
#58 - Jan Jenik: A typical raw skilled Czech, probably a winger, tough to know right now
#59: Milos Roman - Has some skills and upside.
#61: Eric Florchuk - Pro style center, shows some good hands in spurts, shows good finish ability in spurts, shows good playmaking ability in spurts.. needs to refine his game.
#62: Alexander Steeves: Power forward winger with a heavy shot at the next level.

I'd be confident in saying all the players I've listed have at least 2nd line C potential, but there's a lot of question marks and nothing is guaranteed, but they've all flashed enough skill on occasion to believe it within the realm of possibility but by no means a likelihood.
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Thanks so much for that.

From your list, Dellandrea would be a great pick but he'll never slip down enough for us to select him with our first 2nd rounder.

If Foudy projects as a winger, would rather go for someone else in his tier who actually projects as a center unless Foudy is the clear BPA.

Semyon Der-Arguchintsev: now that's an intriguing prospect. How likely is it that he slips, I mean if he has Datsyuk like attributes.

Morozov and Khovanov -- we should have one of them available to us with our early 2nds.

Would prefer a bona fide center over Fonstad and Gustafsson -- esp. Gustafsson, skating issues in a blazing speed NHL is a red flag. Pass.

Jay O'Brien: Mike Edwards of Black Book was glowing about him, and has him projected as an early second rounder. He may slip on account of being below the radar somewhat. Wondering what your take might be if we'd seen more of him. Seems to me someone to target if the more obvious names leave the board early.

The others look like bigger projects but with proper development, which we now have an ability to dispense thanks to Lefebvre having been replaced, can take them to the next level. I'd also like the idea of at least one boom or bust center prospect. Maybe with the pick of a later round, though.
 
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After weeks of watching and readind, now that the lottery is done, I still can't have a clear mind about what to do.

-If Svechnikov slips 3rd, jump on it;
-If we can trade up to the 2nd place, take Svech;
-If we stay 3rd, take Zadina,
-If the staff is really high on Kotkaniemi, try to trade down to 4 or 5, get some piece or do it in a bigger trade, draft Kotkaniemi. I guess they could also take him 3rd if there is no deal to make.

This sums it up pretty much for me.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Im sure the process was something like:

LOL Drurys nephew, hell naw.

*watches one game*
Wtk [under his breath]: **** hes good.
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I honestly thought both Drury and Madden were sons.. so I actually thought it was Chris' son until someone recently corrected me, lmao.

I actually watched a bit early on and was like.. yep, a guy gonna get drafted too high because of effort, defensive play and being the son of a NHLer..

watched him later on and yeah, he was pretty fantastic.
 
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