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2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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Doublechin said:
All the people getting excited with the fact that the Hurricanes haven' selected a Russian player in forever need to tone it down.

New owner and Don Wadell which never shied from drafting Russians. His most successul player ever was a Russian.
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There is little doubt that the Canes are well aware of Svech's value and will draft him. If we want Svech, let's lose the "if he slips to us" scenarios -- we'll have to trade for that 2nd OA.
 
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NotProkofievian said:
A lot more skill and creativity. Completely different kind of player for the last 50 feet of the ice. Hughes makes some crazy plays in the offensive zone that I've just never seen Mete even attempt.

Small defensemen all sort of have to play their zone the same way. They have to get loose pucks, evade forecheckers and move the puck quickly. To cause turnovers, a smaller defenceman has to rely on a good stick more than a guy like Weber, who can physically dominate most opponents. I have no doubt that Hughes is able to do this against NHL opponents.

Where he gets in trouble sometimes is spurious breakout/blueline/offensive zone plays that cause odd-man situations. I saw it a few times in the shift by shift videos, and a few more times at the world championship. Whether he becomes a PP specialist or a top pairing defenceman will depend on how much of the good he can keep while eliminating the bad.

To offer a comparison with Boqvist, I think I've seen him make a boneheaded play once: I think it was against Frölunda. Attempted breakout pass through 2 Frölunda players, in front of his net.
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Kind of how I see it as well with smaller defenseman. And I agree Hughes has more skill than Mete. If Hughes had a shot, I'd be willing to say he is similar value to Dobson and Boqvist. But at the moment, I have Dobson and Boqvist neck and neck and Hughes behind them. But It's hard not to like Dobson's all around game and I think he has room to grow yet. If any of these 3 are a safe bet, Dobson is by far IMO. I compare him to a Josi type defenseman
 
Runner77 said:
There is little doubt that the Canes are well aware of Svech's value and will draft him. If we want Svech, let's lose the "if he slips to us" scenarios -- we'll have to trade for that 2nd OA.
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Yeah, I know we can dream the Canes' perceived Russian bias will make them pick somebody else, but they know Svechnikov is #2. EVEN if they weren't going to pick Svechnikov, just knowing so many teams want him, I'd milk it for some crazy stupid package.

On the flip side, if they do the unthinkable and take somebody other than Svechnikov, MB's phone is going to be ringing like crazy I would think. That is when I would worry.
 
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sandviper said:
Yeah, I know we can dream the Canes' perceived Russian bias will make them pick somebody else, but they know Svechnikov is #2. EVEN if they weren't going to pick Svechnikov, just knowing so many teams want him, I'd milk it for some crazy stupid package.

On the flip side, if they do the unthinkable and take somebody other than Svechnikov, MB's phone is going to be ringing like crazy I would think. That is when I would worry.
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Interesting... Never considered the offers we would get if Zadina was taken at #2 and Svechnikov was available. I'm sure teams with a surplus of assets at center would be trying to swing a deal for sure.
 
ToLegitToQuit said:
Those who know Hughes well... How does he compare to Mete today? I know there is a bit of a age difference but they look similar don't they? Elite skating and skill but lack of shot and size.
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100% not similar. Hughes has gamebreaking ability with electrifying talent that Mete will never have. Mete has a horrendous shot whereas Hughes has a good wrist shot and it will only get better once he puts on some muscle. My main concern with Hughes isn't his size or shot, its the fact that more often than not once he goes into the offensive zone and the play goes the other way, someone else has to cover for him and there is an odd man rush.
 
ToLegitToQuit said:
Interesting... Never considered the offers we would get if Zadina was taken at #2 and Svechnikov was available. I'm sure teams with a surplus of assets at center would be trying to swing a deal for sure.
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Why would you trade a potential top-10 scorer league-wide? It's not like this team is stacked with quality wingers either.
 
Fozz said:
Why would you trade a potential top-10 scorer league-wide? It's not like this team is stacked with quality wingers either.
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Depends what you are offered I guess. Dream up an offer and I will let you know. Also, remember Yakupov? You can't say any certainly that he will be a top 10 scorer. Good chance he scores multiple 30 goal seasons and even 40+ but none of us know how his game translate at the Pro level.
 
ToLegitToQuit said:
Karlsson (6'-0", 192 lbs). He is not under 6'-0" but he is not a big defenseman either. Does he get pushed around in his own end? Not much but he can be. The question is this... There are not many elite level defenseman who are under 6'-0" from what I can gather. So once again, is Hughes a new breed?

Not trying to troll Hughes value as I like him but I think he slips a bit vs Dobson and Boqvist. Lack of size and he needs a better shot. Skill and Skating is top notch though
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Karlsson's 5'11". Forget his NHL official size, that's his real size including in international tourneys.

He was 5'10" 160lbs when he was drafted.
 
I've got a little game: Imagine we trade Pacioretty for the 10th pick, and then trade a few of our 2nds (and maybe a Byron or a Lindgren) to move up into the late teens (let's say 18th), giving us 3 first rounders in the top 20 (3, 10, 18)- who do you target with each of those picks to create a first round class to really take our prospect pool to the next level?

The reason I think it's an interesting question, is it adds a little bit of strategy to selecting. Do you go BPA at all 3 picks, or do you target specific players to fulfill specific positional needs?
 
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Every year there is that one player that drops, sometimes significantly all the way to the second round. Who do you guys believe it will be this year?
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
I've got a little game: Imagine we trade Pacioretty for the 10th pick, and then trade a few of our 2nds (and maybe a Byron or a Lindgren) to move up into the late teens (let's say 18th), giving us 3 first rounders in the top 20 (3, 10, 18)- who do you target with each of those picks to create a first round class to really take our prospect pool to the next level?

The reason I think it's an interesting question, is it adds a little bit of strategy to selecting. Do you go BPA at all 3 picks, or do you target specific players to fulfill specific positional needs?
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On my list currently, those guys are

3. Jesperi Kotkaniemi
10. Brady Tkachuk
18. Alexander Alexeyev

I'd be pretty f***ing happy with that, but I know that Tkachuk will be selected ahead of 10. Next winger on my list is Kravtsov.

Kotkaniemi
Kravtsov
Alexeyev

K, let's do that.
 
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The Great Schlemko said:
I wouldn't trade Svechnikov unless an unbelievable package was offered.
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Glad you're not the gatekeeper on the Canes.

Value is always relative. This is why one team will give up Forsberg for Erat and another will give up Larsson for Taylor Hall.

The X-Factor is really Dudley and how much mileage MB will get out of his freshly planted mole within the Canes. Those two are as thick as thieves. MB is so friendly with Dudley that he didn't even impose any restrictions preventing Dudley from working at the Canes's draft -- and Dudley himself said that his main occupation this past year was amateur scouting.

Now, am I suggesting Svech will slip to us on account of Dudley? Absolutely not. But, there is easier access to talk trade thanks to Dudley being there. I'm just hoping for a fair market deal, which would beat whatever it is the clueless MB has been doing in his past major deals.
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
I've got a little game: Imagine we trade Pacioretty for the 10th pick, and then trade a few of our 2nds (and maybe a Byron or a Lindgren) to move up into the late teens (let's say 18th), giving us 3 first rounders in the top 20 (3, 10, 18)- who do you target with each of those picks to create a first round class to really take our prospect pool to the next level?

The reason I think it's an interesting question, is it adds a little bit of strategy to selecting. Do you go BPA at all 3 picks, or do you target specific players to fulfill specific positional needs?
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First, I'd very much like your little game to come true.

Then, once we own that embarrassment of riches, we'll collectively enjoy our first world problem of owning three picks in the first round. And even then, I see us sniping at each other. Cause that's what we do.
 
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ToLegitToQuit said:
Sure. Not going to argue about 1". So what's your point? Hughes's ceiling is a Karlsson type?
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Runner77 said:
If the lists coming out so far are an indication, he's climbing more and more. As the best center available this year, I very much doubt he falls too far off.

If the Habs really want him, they need another high pick. I don't see that happening. He will not be around at the 10th draft slot the way things are going. BobbyMac's list is sure to have him closer to the 5th draft slot than to the 10th and that'll be the best indication of where Kotkaniemi will fall.
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Talking Kupari. I think the Kotkaniemi helium is causing him to become a bit of an afterthought (you even read Kupari as Kotkaniemi lol).

In terms of the 3/10/18 game, I think he'd be my target at 18. And I think I'd go Zadina and Ty Smith at 3/10. The other direction would be Hughes and then best forward available at 10. Could be Wahlstrom, or I wouldn't even be against Hayton.
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
Talking Kupari. I think the Kotkaniemi helium is causing him to become a bit of an afterthought (you even read Kupari as Kotkaniemi lol).

In terms of the 3/10/18 game, I think he'd be my target at 18. And I think I'd go Zadina and Ty Smith at 3/10. The other direction would be Hughes and then best forward available at 10. Could be Wahlstrom, or I wouldn't even be against Hayton.
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My bad, I was going through these posts too quickly. Damn.

Since I was so obsessed with Kotkaniemi, what's your take in terms of where he'll fall?
 
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