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2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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Genghis Keon said:
Ignoring the fact that Bergevin has made more than one firable offense, the firable offense would be to ignore the consensus in the war room and make the pick based on web based scouting services' rankings. If their clear #2 or #3 is there, pick him (regardless of what the media pundits and fans think). If they have multiple players in the same tier, pick the player at the most valuable position (if players from multiple positions are in the same tier in their eyes).

It'll also look really bad if they pick a guy who proves to be a unidimensional winger and Kotkaniemi proves to be a legit #1 C or one of the Dmen becomes a star (or one of the other wingers proves to be the better scorer or more valuable).
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You say this as though Kotkaniemi would be the top guy on their board...

And I really just don't see "legit #1 C" in Kotkaniemi.
 
Mrb1p said:
Obviously, and by your own account, you dont watch him, so thats a connect four for someone that doesnt have much weight on their opinion!
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I've seen enough him to see limitations that will prevent him from being a top 10-15 C which for me is what a "legit #1 C' means. I think he ends up a Lars Eller level center if he stays there. Better playmaker than Eller, but Eller was a much more impressive skater. I think he's a guy who you like in your middle 6, but if he's your #1C you're in trouble. He's not the guy we're looking for, and not worth the 3rd pick.
 
I think the Kotkaniemi fascination stems from posters projecting onto him that he's this years Henrik Borgstrom, but he's not that level of talent.
 
Mrb1p said:
Oh is it the moment that you praise Hughes for his skating when Boqvist an an exceptional skater himself................?
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Hughes is a better skater and it isn't even up for debate. Boqvist is a great skater himself but Hughes is the best skater in the draft.
 
MC94 said:
I honestly wouldnt mind boqvist at 3 but zadina is who im hoping for the most
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I have Boqvist going at 4 (OTTAWA)

My guess is.....

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Boqvist
Tkachuk
Bouchard

Then it’s a crap shoot....

Wahlstrom
Hughes
Dobson
Smith

If this is the way it goes down, I’m trying real hard to get NYI first of two picks with a Pacioretty trade for 1st round pick ++ and select Kotkaniemi.
 
Ovechkin and Tarasenko are both great snipers, it doesn't matter which one you take even though Ovechkin is clearly better!
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
You say this as though Kotkaniemi would be the top guy on their board...

And I really just don't see "legit #1 C" in Kotkaniemi.
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You're saying it's a firable offense to pick Kotkaniemi at 3. I'm saying that it's a firable offense to go by free web-based scouting rankings over their own multi-million dollar scouting team.

As for Kotkaniemi, if they do view him as a potential #1 C and he becomes a #1 C, and they don't pick him because free web-based scouting rankings say he's more of a 10 overall kind of guy, it'll look really bad (and will be a firable offense). Actually, regardless of how they rank him internally, if he becomes a legit #1 C (or Veleno does or Hayton does become a Bergeron), it could look really look bad. Price won a Hart and was the consensus #1 goalie in the league for multiple years and some still question picking him, so you know some people aren't going ton be happy no matter what. It's why GMs are paid the big bucks (and why they should be fired if they regularly make what proves to be the wrong decisions).
 
Mrb1p said:
Why trade down when you have the chance to add a top 6 C or a top D ?
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I think my post was obvious. If there is this much debate over whether Hughes or Boqvist is better than Zadina then they may as well trade down and get the extra asset as well as the top 6C or top 4D. It would mismanagement not to. Other teams would love to move up for Zadina.
NoQuinn said:
Why have scouts? Just pick the consensus player.........
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Except that TSN polled actual scouts and not HFB desk scouts and they said there is a clear top 3.
 
Hughes and Boqvist are very close. Boqvist has a much much better shot but Hughes beats him in skating and passing by a bit even hough Boqvist does those well. I would also say Boqvist is a bit better defensively.

Also, Kotkaniemi at the time of the draft is a better prospect than Borgstrom was. If you're comparing Kotkaniemi today to Borgstrom day who is 3 years older that just doesn't make sense.
 
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I haven't seen Kotkaniemi but I wouldn't compare him to Borgstrom since he's a rare case. At 18 he was playing in the Finnish Junior league then goes to the NCAA and has a very impressive Freshman year and then at 20 he's the best player in the NCAA. That kind of major leap in development is hard to find. Now we have to see what Borgstrom turns into but he at least appears to be headed for being a very good NHLer. If the Habs think Kotkaniemi will progress anything close to him then he should be someone they think long and hard about taking.
 
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Genghis Keon said:
You're saying it's a firable offense to pick Kotkaniemi at 3. I'm saying that it's a firable offense to go by free web-based scouting rankings over their own multi-million dollar scouting team.

As for Kotkaniemi, if they do view him as a potential #1 C and he becomes a #1 C, and they don't pick him because free web-based scouting rankings say he's more of a 10 overall kind of guy, it'll look really bad (and will be a firable offense). Actually, regardless of how they rank him internally, if he becomes a legit #1 C (or Veleno does or Hayton does become a Bergeron), it could look really look bad. Price won a Hart and was the consensus #1 goalie in the league for multiple years and some still question picking him, so you know some people aren't going ton be happy no matter what. It's why GMs are paid the big bucks (and why they should be fired if they regularly make what proves to be the wrong decisions).
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You realize Bob mcKenzies list is a consensus list from actual NHL evaluators? No way is Kotkaniemi 3rd. But ya, obviously if he's the top guy on your board you take him, I just don't see how you can legitimately say he's a top 3 talent in this draft. If you take him it's because of desperation for a Center.
 
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MrNasty said:
I think my post was obvious. If there is this much debate over whether Hughes or Boqvist is better than Zadina then they may as well trade down and get the extra asset as well as the top 6C or top 4D. It would mismanagement not to. Other teams would love to move up for Zadina.

Except that TSN polled actual scouts and not HFB desk scouts and they said there is a clear top 3.
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Then like I said, why bother having amateur scouting?
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
Haven't seen a ton of him, and if we draft him I'll revisit him, but I've seen enough to have an idea of who he is.

To be clear, I like the prospect. But there's no way he should even sniff the top 5. I think he'll be a quality middle 6er, has upside to be more than that, but right now there's way too much projection required to say he'll reach it.

On another note, anyone else see Zadina in William Karlsson? Though Zadina is bigger and more skilled and has a better shot, but they look similar out there.
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If you get a chance, watch some more of him. I think he'll grow on you. He definitely is in the same conversation as guys like Wahlstrom and Boqvist plus he's very young (like Boqvist) for this draft... Zadina might be a tier up from those guys... but the more that is being questioned the more I like Kotkienemi at 3.
 
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