2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

[NotProkofievian]

Get a room you guys

You'll do fookin nuttin!

 

[Habby Patty]

Im a huge fan of Alexyev, Sandin and Addison. If we can snag any of those 3 with 35, I'm a happy man.

 

[schnapshot]

But he's more creative than Zadina. I get the sense Filip is more reliant on his teammates to set him up for goals than Wahlstrom.

Wahlstrom played with next year’s probable first overall while Zadina played with an overage 7th round pick.

Wahlstrom was GPG in a tournament with 16 and 17 year olds (his age group) while Zadina was GPG in a tournament with players mostly one or two years older.

I like Wahlstrom as a prospect but I really don’t see how he should be higher than Zadina when they’re not only similar (so they can be compared) but one has proven to be better against older players and plays with a less gifted centerman.

That being said, I’m not saying Wahlstrom is a product of Hughes either.

 

[Habs Icing]

I'm really intrigued by Kotkaniemi and whether he'll have received enough consideration by the Habs to oust Zadina at their no. 3 spot.

If it's the Habs you're talking about I think you meant Tkachuk. Isn't that the consensus that everyone fears?

 

[Habs76]

Wahlstrom played with next year’s probable first overall while Zadina played with an overage 7th round pick.

Wahlstrom was GPG in a tournament with 16 and 17 year olds (his age group) while Zadina was GPG in a tournament with players mostly one or two years older.

I like Wahlstrom as a prospect but I really don’t see how he should be higher than Zadina when they’re not only similar (so they can be compared) but one has proven to be better against older players and plays with a less gifted centerman.

That being said, I’m not saying Wahlstrom is a product of Hughes either.

Somppi is a more than capable center in the Q. Zadina is older as a late birthday and got the chance to play in the U-20's, but we all know international tournaments don't mean much anyways.

Based on their play styles I get the sense that Zadina is the safer bet, while Wahlstrom has more elite potential.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Wahlstrom's numbers didn't increase with Jack Hughes as his centre, the same people would be criticizing him for that.

Fact: Wahlstroms' numbers were great before Hughes.
Fact: Wahlstrom's numbers got better with a better player.
Fact: Wahlstrom produced against NCAA competition, so that blows the stupid "only scored against kids" narrative out of the water.

 

[Mrb1p]

You'll do fookin nuttin!

Calm your bulge, dolly.

 

[schnapshot]

Somppi is a more than capable center in the Q. Zadina is older as a late birthday and got the chance to play in the U-20's, but we all know international tournaments don't mean much anyways.

Based on their play styles I get the sense that Zadina is the safer bet, while Wahlstrom has more elite potential.

Somppi is not a bad player at all but he certainly isn’t Hughes caliber.

The fact that Zadina played at the U20 certainly helped him raise his stock, but I doubt Wahlstrom would’ve been as dominant as Zadina was, that is being his team’s scoring leader and 2nd best scorer of the tourney at 18. Then again, we’ll never really know.

What I like about Zadina is, he’s a big 5v5 player (outproduced Hischier at 5v5 this year). When I watched Wahlstrom at the U18s, I felt he was more a powerplay weapon some games because he would be less present the rest of the time. Anyway, it’ll be fun to see who becomes the best player in a few years, I was very high on Wahlstrom before we went top 3.

 

[Habs76]

Somppi is not a bad player at all but he certainly isn’t Hughes caliber.

The fact that Zadina played at the U20 certainly helped him raise his stock, but I doubt Wahlstrom would’ve been as dominant as Zadina was, that is being his team’s scoring leader and 2nd best scorer of the tourney at 18. Then again, we’ll never really know.

What I like about Zadina is, he’s a big 5v5 player (outproduced Hischier at 5v5 this year). When I watched Wahlstrom at the U18s, I felt he was more a powerplay weapon some games because he would be less present the rest of the time. Anyway, it’ll be fun to see who becomes the best player in a few years, I was very high on Wahlstrom before we went top 3.

Playing with Necas certainly didn't hurt Zadina at the U20. Wahlstrom when he isn't scoring is much more noticeable from what I've seen. More willing to take the body, lead the rush or setup a teammate.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

https://futureconsiderations.ca/top-rankings-2018/
It's a couple days old but I don't see it posted anywhere so here's FC's final rankings .

 

[yianik]

https://futureconsiderations.ca/top-rankings-2018/
It's a couple days old but I don't see it posted anywhere so here's FC's final rankings .

I wish, if this was guaranteed I would think of moving down to tell you the truth. Several moves.

 

[Whitesnake]

If Wahlstrom's numbers didn't increase with Jack Hughes as his centre, the same people would be criticizing him for that.

Fact: Wahlstroms' numbers were great before Hughes.
Fact: Wahlstrom's numbers got better with a better player.
Fact: Wahlstrom produced against NCAA competition, so that blows the stupid "only scored against kids" narrative out of the water.

2 are both very capable wingers. I don't think you go wrong with any of those 2. I don't see how anybody could put Wahlstrom ahead of Zadina though fairly easily.

 

[Guilliam]

Wahlstrom seems more of a perimeter player to me. That's what scares me for his 5 on 5 production in the pros. That, and the fact that Zadina seems to have a quicker release, are the main reasons why I'd have Zadina ahead.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I wish, if this was guaranteed I would think of moving down to tell you the truth. Several moves.

Yeah, then we'd be sure to get Kotkaniemi for exemple and a good additional prospect out of the first round. I just don't see Wilde and Hayton being ahead of him in June though, sadly.

 

[Habs76]

Wahlstrom seems more of a perimeter player to me. That's what scares me for his 5 on 5 production in the pros. That, and the fact that Zadina seems to have a quicker release, are the main reasons why I'd have Zadina ahead.

Zadina takes more one-timers but Wahlstrom has the quicker release on his wristshot IMO

 

[Habs76]

We should draft Sharangovich in the later rounds

 

[Mrb1p]

We should draft Sharangovich in the later rounds

Yes me on WTK have been man crushing on the dude for a while. That long reach is a beauty.

 

[The Great Weal]

We should draft Sharangovich in the later rounds

I wonder where he goes

 

[schnapshot]

Zadina takes more one-timers but Wahlstrom has the quicker release on his wristshot IMO

You have it the other way around. Zadina pretty much scores entirely with his wrist shot while Wahlstrom has a massive one timer. Look at the highlights, I think there’s only one Zadina goal on a one-timer (from the WJC) while Wahlstrom shoots a lot on the PP with it.

 

[Habs76]

You have it the other way around. Zadina pretty much scores entirely with his wrist shot while Wahlstrom has a massive one timer. Look at the highlights, I think there’s only one Zadina goal on a one-timer (from the WJC) while Wahlstrom shoots a lot on the PP with it.

Meh, not from what I've seen. I see Zadina take loads of one-time snapshots, while Wahlstrom is more about picking the corner.

 

[G0bias]

Wahlstrom was GPG in a tournament with 16 and 17 year olds (his age group) while Zadina was GPG in a tournament with players mostly one or two years older.

I like Wahlstrom as a prospect but I really don’t see how he should be higher than Zadina when they’re not only similar (so they can be compared) but one has proven to be better against older players and plays with a less gifted centerman.

You'll have to explain how a 7 game sample is enough to come to that conclusion. Not to mention the fact Wahlstrom went PPG against players 2,3 or 4 years older than him, is casually ignored in your evaluation.

 

[schnapshot]

Meh, not from what I've seen. I see Zadina take loads of one-time snapshots, while Wahlstrom is more about picking the corner.

I dare you to find me 3 goals where Zadina scores on a one timer.

You'll have to explain how a 7 game sample size is enough to come to that conclusion. Not to mention the fact Wahlstrom went PPG against players 2,3 or 4 years older than him, is casually ignored in your evaluation.

So wait, I have to explain why I come to the conclusion that Zadina has proven more against older players when he was 2nd best scorer in an important tournament where players two years removed from their draft are usually the most dominant? It’s pretty much self-explanatory...

Zadina also plays against 18, 19 and 20 year old players in the Q. They both played well against older players, but I believe Zadina has shown more because of the WJC.

 

[G0bias]

So wait, I have to explain why I come to the conclusion that Zadina has proven more against older players when he was 2nd best scorer in an important tournament where players two years removed from their draft are usually the most dominant? It’s pretty much self-explanatory...

Zadina also plays against 18, 19 and 20 year old players in the Q. They both played well against older players, but I believe Zadina has shown more because of the WJC.

I see you still ignore that Wahlstrom played Div-1 teams. Putting that much importance on tournament performance alone is a slippery slope.

I myself still have Zadina ever so slightly ahead of Wahlstrom but that narrative is just dumb when comparing the two.

 

[schnapshot]

I see you still ignore that Wahlstrom played Div-1 teams. Putting that much importance on tournament performance alone is a slippery slope.

Sure he did... do you have his stats against NCAA teams?

I put importance into the season where Zadina had the 4th highest goal-per-game ratio by a draft-eligible player in the last four drafts (outscored only by McDavid, DeBrincat and Andrei Svechnikov), added to the fact he was 2nd best scorer at the WJC at 18. So no, I’m not only drooling over his WJC, because based on that he would be ranked over Svechnikov which is preposterous.

We’ll never know how good Wahlstrom would have been in his draft year at the WJC (we’ll surely see next year) but I was a bit underwhelmed when I watched him at the U-18s against players his age or younger.

 

[Meat Wave]

Zadina clearly prefers handling the puck before letting go of his shot, he has not proven to be a big one-timer guy so far in his career.