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That didn't actually help convince me, but I do see your point... They are different. Still I give Hughes' the edge in skating hands down.
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That didn't actually help convince me, but I do see your point... They are different. Still I give Hughes' the edge in skating hands down.
I would have to go back and re-check. I chose 60 games because most of the players played 3x that amount. For sure, anyone pre-2010 I would expect to have quite a few games played before considered a bust.
I didn't forget Yakupov. I do think he's a bust when we consider what is expected from a #1 pick, but he is an NHLer and if we nit pick every player who underperformed or didn't meet expectations, we could be going on all day about each year. I did forget about Plante, so thanks for that. I did see him, but I guess I forgot to c/p his name in. Thus, I went with the simpler 60-game criteria.
Certain players I think just need more development time. In the case of Patrick, I think the jury is still out on him as he still needs development time. Would I trade our 3rd for him? Probably not as he isn't the type of player I would like to be the centerpiece of our team though my opinion isn't the Canadiens'. I could see them making that trade though I don't think that thought crossed their minds.
Anyhow, I think it isn't an unreasonable expectation that 2-3 of this year's top-15 picks won't work out. Hopefully it isn't ours.
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I would trade the 3rd overall pick for Nolan Patrick personally. Stepping into the NHL after injury riddled seasons and getting 30 points in 73 games on the 3rd line for the most part isn't anything to be disappointed in.
Trading the 3rd overall pick for a 19 year old who has proven he handle NHL time at centre, be defensively responsible and has good size is a win for us IMO.
Trading the 3rd overall pick for a 19 year old who has proven he handle NHL time at centre, be defensively responsible and has good size is a win for us IMO.
Patrick has struggled since Junior hockey with being able to stay healthy. If he could stay healthy I like your proposal.
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You'd rather trade it for a guy who's never played pro hockey?
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We got the 3rd pick. Zadina has scored in the Q, U20 World Juniors, and the Prospects game. He is a proven asset and he has produced in several leagues and tournaments which means something to me. This is why we should draft him at 3rd overall. Even if he is not a center. Kotkaniemi seems like a great target but he could end up being a middle 6 forward in the end. I like his upside and think he will be a top 6 forward but we have seen it so many times. Guys who fans drool about prior to draft and then the disappointment after they are drafted.
2018 top 15 looks solid but I won't be surprised to see a few guys disappoint. I won't be surprised to see them all become top of the line-up players too. We have talked about them all in detail on these boards. They all look good at this point. Some look better than others depending on what you value but the depth is there it appears.
How long will it take Nolan Patrick to show the potential people were talking about 12 months ago? Yes, I know it's early but I was not impressed with his game as a 18 year old. I was more impressed with Galchenyuk as a 18 year old to be honest. I am very curious to see what Patrick can do as a 19 and 20 year old.
I ask again... if the Flyers call and offer us Patrick for the 3rd overall pick. Would you do it?
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Galchenyuk as a 18 year old:
- 27 pts in 48 games with 9 goals.
- 12 min of average ice time.
- 1 power play point
Patrick as a 18 year old:
- 30 pts in 73 games with 13 goals.
- 14 min of average ice time
- 8 power play points
MacKinnon as a 18 year old:
- 63 pts in 82 games with 24 goals.
- 17 min of average ice time
- 17 power play points
I think Zadina is the safer pick vs Patrick IMO. Zadina will be very good at goal scoring. What will Patrick be very good at? Can he show promise like PLD at age 19 or will he be injury prone? I was not too sure about Patrick prior to the draft and not sure about his potential 12 months after the draft. I rather the Habs keep Zadina.. he has scored at every league he has played including international tournaments. Heck, even Galchenyuk has had a better season than Patrick as a 18 year old. And look at what happened to Galchenyuk.
Make it easy. Draft Zadina and watch him score goals. Habs need this just as much as we need centers and PMD. Zadina is very creative and he finds ways to score everywhere he goes. There is no weakness to his game other than he won't be a physical player like Tkachuck would be.
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Hands down ? Like, what does that even mean in this contest ? He's a tiny bit better edge work ? Both are strength, both are elite at skating.
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Yes. Patrick is not at all impressive. I think Glass has much higher upside. Heck I’d even go for Suzuki before Patrick.
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Patrick had 21 points in the final 30 games. He had a slow start but he finished strong. If he can stay healthy he will be a very good player, people are sleeping on him way too much.
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Yeah, sure, but thats kinda like saying "Zadina is the best shooter in the draft" and then going Zadina can shoot better than Svechnikov... Sure... But like... who cares... there's actual differences in both players play that actually matter.
I always thought "ranking" things was incredibly pointless. "Best skater" "Best shot" "Best playmaker"... Is this a strength, if so, is it great or good ? Fine, then who cares. Nobody is going to come here and tell me Boqvist is not an elite skater, thus, this whole debate was pointless.
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Both have different strengths, but if we are just talking about skating Hughes is number one, but Boqvist is no slouch either.
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I don’t like his skating. He’s a fine player but I don’t think he can be the guy. I wouldn’t trade the 3rd for him. And if he was so good, the Flyers wouldn’t entertain the offer either.
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Pulock has 84 games and played 68 last season. He will be long off this list in no time considering he was our best defenseman from January on.
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If you get a chance to watch his shot you will enjoy it.
Now Reinhart is already a gigantic bust and I expect Dal Colle to have like a 200 game career which is still a bust.
You make it sound like that's easy... I can count the players on one hand that can beat a goalie with no screen so with that logic, they should just always leave an open lane for the goalie for every player? NHL players know that NHL goalies will stop 99.9% of those shots so they won't take the shot with no screen on the powerplay. The way I see it is he has such unbelievable edge work he will be able to create shooting lanes on his own, with traffic in front of the net. His shot is average but with his skating, he will be able to get a lot of pucks on net, similar to Keith (Not saying he's Keith loll)
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Absolutely. My point was most likely that my coup de coeur this year was Hughes. Out of everybody this year. Including Dahlin. Not saying I would have picked Hughes before the normal 3...I wouldn't. See my list, Hughes is at 4. Still.....that's who I liked the most. But I sure as hell are able to see what the other players qualities are. Just that in a team that should go for more offense, and should be more dynamic, Hughes is just perfect. I know...shot strength has to happen. I believe it will. But this freakin franchise do not need complementary player no more. We need dynamic. We need pure skills. We need guys that drives the play. I believe Hughes is that type of guy. While I also love Zadina, my little concern, little, is that he falls more into an extraordinairy complementary top 6 guy. What that means is that he might STILL need a force to drive him. Will we have that? While I believe Hughes could be that force. So yeah....it will hurt to see some of those guys go. We should have done everything we could to get more 1st rounders this year.
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