Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part VI

[Pawnee Rangers]

Well there is a quote (legit or not) that he is thinking about it..

So let him go. Maybe he's developed some bad habits over in the KHL and they're trying to break them because it won't work here. In some leagues you can get by on just talent because you're either better than most or the league isn't as good or they don't play defense or whatever. We've all watched a ton of his highlights the last two seasons and he's incredibly talented. But he also made a few plays where you just knew that shit wouldn't fly over here.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

So let him go. Maybe he's developed some bad habits over in the KHL and they're trying to break them because it won't work here. In some leagues you can get by on just talent because you're either better than most or the league isn't as good or they don't play defense or whatever. We've all watched a ton of his highlights the last two seasons and he's incredibly talented. But he also made a few plays where you just knew that **** wouldn't fly over here.

Ok, well i'm not in the mentality of "Oh just let him go". How about the coaching staff just understand he's a work in progress and there will be bumps. Let him play, let him make his mistakes, let him learn from them on the bench and not have the kid worried he's going to be in the press box every other game for trying to make a move around a guy.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Ok, well i'm not in the mentality of "Oh just let him go". How about the coaching staff just understand he's a work in progress and there will be bumps. Let him play, let him make his mistakes, let him learn from them on the bench and not have the kid worried he's going to be in the press box every other game for trying to make a move around a guy.

Or how about the coaching staffs know more about what it takes to get to the next level than we do? I'm all for letting him play through the mistakes but it appears some things are non-negotiable, as they should be. He's probably never had to play within a system or play against defenseman that don't just swipe their stick at a player as they're coming into the zone. You don't have as much time and space here than you do in Russia. Whatever, he'll be fine. But let him learn when it's ok to skate it into the zone and when the better option is to dump it in. You don't want him developing bad habits when those habits turn into giveaways and end up in the back of your own net. That's why he's down there. We don't hear any complaints or problems coming from Chytil, and he probably has more reason to sulk than Kravtsov does.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Or how about the coaching staffs knows more about what it takes to get to the next level than we do? I'm all for letting him play through the mistakes but it appears some things are non-negotiable, as they should be. He's probably never had to play within a system or play against defenseman that swipe at a player as they're coming into the zone. Let him learn when it's right to skate it into the zone and when the better option is to dump it in. That's why he's down there. We don't hear any complaints or problems coming from Chytil, and he probably has more reason to sulk than Kravtsov does.

Well if he runs back to the KHL because he was benched too much, then i will respectfully disagree. Each player is different, sometimes different methods must be used. They are at a pro level coaching so I would assume they know that.

 

[mrmovies779]

Nothing wrong with tough love when dealing with a youngster.If a game in the press box helps get a point across,its only going to help that player in the long run.Cant baby these kids-if they have bad habits,they need them fixed as quickly as possible.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Well if he runs back to the KHL because he was benched too much, then i will respectfully disagree. Each player is different, sometimes different methods must be used. They are at a pro level coaching so I would assume they know that.

If he runs back to the KHL, that's on him. Then he doesn't have what it takes to make it in the the NHL. And again, we don't even know if this is a legit rumor. This could all be nonsense.

 

[LORDE]

People on this board constantly forget that these coaches see these kids in PRACTICE all day long.

We don't.

IF the coach benches someone it's not necessarily because of that move you remember from last game that was iffy.

 

[Leetch3]

if they are teaching Kravtsov when to dump and chase and when to dangle and the different scenarios when to do so, then I have no problem with him getting taught but to scratch him is kinda tough love. show him some videos of when to do so would be more helpful and in practice should help with this.

the scratch might have been to get him to watch the game from the press box to see what they are trying to show him...lets see if it happens again. if it was just that 1 game its not a big deal.

 

[romba]

Smart, sharp and quick passes go alot further than than stick handles but that takes adjustment to catch up to the speed at the NHL level. Need to read the play, know what you're doing with the puck before it's on your stick, and avoid getting killed by fast aggressive defenders. Quick quick quick! Stick handling is MUCH easier for a young'un to turn to, doesn't require as much vision and forethought. Just get the pass, beat a guy or two or three to get some space and then mull the options. Sorry, but you just can't do that consistently at the NHL.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'm so freaking fed up on the dump and chase style. Like Kravtsov is the ideal guy to carry it in, but noooo. This is Rongos country.

This is an absurd statement. Dump and chase is rarely a "style." Sometimes in the course of the game, it has to be done. If Kravtsov is resisting this so early in his career, when he's trying to learn the North American game, its a concerning signal. I'm so sick of anyone but the player being held responsible for stuff like this. Kravtsov needs to open up and execute what the coaches are telling him, period.

 

[nyr2k2]

Ok, well i'm not in the mentality of "Oh just let him go". How about the coaching staff just understand he's a work in progress and there will be bumps. Let him play, let him make his mistakes, let him learn from them on the bench and not have the kid worried he's going to be in the press box every other game for trying to make a move around a guy.

He sat out in one of the four games. Let's not pretend we're thirty games into the season and he's only played five times. He has been benched once, to this point. And if one benching is enough, then f*** it.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Looking at this roster right now really emphasizes how important Kravtsov is to this organization. They need things to work out with him. Outside of Panarin and Zibanejad there are no sure things on the NHL roster. Like someone said in the GDT, I think there's an argument that 6-7 of our NHL forwards on any given night are probably in the AHL if they were playing for any other team. Kravtsov needs to develop into a real player.

 

[JCProdigy]

One incorrect comment doesn’t completely invalidate everything he says forever.

Lighten up Francis, it's a joke. Surely I would think that with your superior intellect you would get that.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Brendan Smith was out there as an extra attacker tonight.

who gives a shit about whether he wants to dump and chase. f*** that, get him up.

 

[SA16]

Lighten up Francis, it's a joke. Surely I would think that with your superior intellect you would get that.

Do you know how many times people act like this?

Every Brooks report now gets immediately shot down because one time he said the team wasn't going to trade Stepan and they did.

There are two ways you can act as a reporter pretty much:

1. Post every little thing you hear. This gives you the reputation of someone like Eklund where people say you're making things up because obviously the vast majority of things talked about don't end up happening.

2. Don't post anything unless it's virtually certain to happen. This gives you a good reputation but doesn't really give the reader too much inside information.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

So let him go. Maybe he's developed some bad habits over in the KHL and they're trying to break them because it won't work here. In some leagues you can get by on just talent because you're either better than most or the league isn't as good or they don't play defense or whatever. We've all watched a ton of his highlights the last two seasons and he's incredibly talented. But he also made a few plays where you just knew that **** wouldn't fly over here.

Careful lol.

As for the dump benching thing.

Lotta smart people already said it

The source is crap. Sports express? What? Doesn't mean it's not true but boy does it ever deserve some grains of salt.

In pre-season he showed he desperately needs to learn some alternative ways to enter the zone. This is for his HEALTH not just for the team's success. Once he demonstrates he can dump or do something else he can get teams to back off and then try to occasionally work his way in. Or else he'll have his skull forcibly removed from its perch.

It's funny that someone said something that was factually the opposite of reality. That he's "good" at entering the zone and dangling through everyone when we saw the literal opposite all pre-season and in traverse.

Like Pawnee said. He WAS good bc the KHL sucks compared to the NHL AND it's a different style/rink so players can get away with stuff like this.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Careful lol.

As for the dump benching thing.

Lotta smart people already said it

The source is crap. Sports express? What? Doesn't mean it's not true but boy does it ever deserve some grains of salt.

In pre-season he showed he desperately needs to learn some alternative ways to enter the zone. This is for his HEALTH not just for the team's success. Once he demonstrates he can dump or do something else he can get teams to back off and then try to occasionally work his way in. Or else he'll have his skull forcibly removed from its perch.

It's funny that someone said something that was factually the opposite of reality. That he's "good" at entering the zone and dangling through everyone when we saw the literal opposite all pre-season and in traverse.

Like Pawnee said. He WAS good bc the KHL sucks compared to the NHL AND it's a different style/rink so players can get away with stuff like this.

I think most rational people knew it would take him some time to adjust. He's a young kid that was able to get by on just talent, now he's in a league where everyone is equally as talented and he can't do what he used to. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but people raging at the coaching staff or organization, it's just silly. They know more about developing players then we do, shocking to some I guess. Let him spend 6 months in Hartford. I don't see Quinn forcing Mika and Panarin and the top line guys here to play a certain way. But I have seen all those players get the puck deep when the situation called for it.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Still haven't heard anything from the team or the player...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Still haven't heard anything from the team or the player...

And you won't hear anything. This is what always happens. Player, team and agent are quiet because they don't want to jeopardize anything. That doesn't mean it's not being discussed or not happening.

 

[bhamill]

And you won't hear anything. This is what always happens. Player, team and agent are quiet because they don't want to jeopardize anything. That doesn't mean it's not being discussed or not happening.

True, but it also does not mean that it IS being discussed or IS happening. Basically, how rational discussion works is that when someone puts up a rumor, it's on THEM to demonstrate it is true, not everyone else to prove it's false...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

True, but it also does not mean that it IS being discussed or IS happening. Basically, how rational discussion works is that when someone puts up a rumor, it's on THEM to demonstrate it is true, not everyone else to prove it's false...

It's called a rumor because it cannot be proven right or wrong.

 

[bhamill]

It's called a rumor because it cannot be proven right or wrong.

Rumors are very often proven right or wrong. The point being, though, that you (the general you) have no reasonable expectation for people to believe something that is unproven. That fact that that we are hearing nothing to shoot down a rumor is not a fortification for the rumor. And since the beginning state was NOT what was in the rumor, it's perfectly reasonable to discount it until some sort of proof surfaces. I'm not saying YOU can't believe whatever you choose to, of course. I'm just saying there's no logical reason for anyone else to accept it. That's all I'm saying, buddy. Nothing personal.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Rumors are very often proven right or wrong. The point being, though, that you (the general you) have no reasonable expectation for people to believe something that is unproven. That fact that that we are hearing nothing to shoot down a rumor is not a fortification for the rumor. And since the beginning state was NOT what was in the rumor, it's perfectly reasonable to discount it until some sort of proof surfaces. I'm not saying YOU can't believe whatever you choose to, of course. I'm just saying there's no logical reason for anyone else to accept it. That's all I'm saying, buddy. Nothing personal.

If we act based on this, we may as well shut down HF Boards.

 

[nyr2k2]

It's called a rumor because it cannot be proven right or wrong.

A rumor is a report that has currently unverified truth. It can totally be proven right. Proving it wrong is more difficult, because it's always possible that it WAS true but then fell apart.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

A rumor is a report that has currently unverified truth. It can totally be proven right. Proving it wrong is more difficult, because it's always possible that it WAS true but then fell apart.

Once it's proven right or wrong, it's no longer a rumor. That was my point. But this whole debate is ridiculous. Without rumors, HF Boards doesn't exist.