Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part V

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Levitate

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Yeah, I was disappointed that Carp ended up being the Rangers guy for them too. I feel like they’re way ahead of everyone else in like, the life stories/reporting about sports but are more uneven with insidey info (guys like Russo and Portzline are really good)

Rangers beat writers have all been pretty blah for awhile now and Carp is just about as good as it gets right now. I think he's got a few contacts and all but hes also not the guy I'd go to for fine details about contracts or the CBA etc

Anyways re: Kravtsov I doubt the Rangers want him to go back to the KHL at all and wouldn't only allow if it really became a big issue between him going to the AHL for a bit or going to the KHL.
 

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We've spent pages and pages and pages here contradicting each other trying to figure out the CBA and Kratsov... i''ll give Carp a break on this one...
 

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I generally agree with Carp's post-game analyses. He's definitely no insider though.
 

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Given how well Hajek has done since being called up, maybe Hartford isn't such a bad place to develop the kids? Just because the team isn't great and some of the kids, particularly defensemen, don't look great while playing there, doesn't mean they aren't learning and improving.

It’s a fair point, but if they’re playing that much better at the NHL level, it means the team is a complete dumpster fire. Is it optimal to have players down there learning under those conditions? I’d imagine that’s the internal discussion among the brass when it comes to Kravtsov.
 

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It’s a fair point, but if they’re playing that much better at the NHL level, it means the team is a complete dumpster fire. Is it optimal to have players down there learning under those conditions? I’d imagine that’s the internal discussion among the brass when it comes to Kravtsov.
The thing that I don’t get is it really shouldn’t be hard to have a decent AHL team. Even if you don’t have tons of great prospects down there, sign some AAA ringers, get a decent coach and plug in your real prospects as needed. There’s really no excuse to have such a garbage AHL team when your organization has money for days like NYR does.
 

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Rangers beat writers have all been pretty blah for awhile now and Carp is just about as good as it gets right now. I think he's got a few contacts and all but hes also not the guy I'd go to for fine details about contracts or the CBA etc
The beat went down the drain when we lost Katie Strang
 

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Hartford, which I have been very critical of, hasn't been completely worthless in developing guys as the season has progressed. They're a bad team, but there has been some good individual improvement.

Lindgren is a good example. I thought he was pretty steady to start the year but he definitely got better as the year went on. IMO he's an NHL-caliber player right now that's down there due to numbers and nothing else.

Fogarty is having a career year. His scoring has kind of come out of nowhere. He has obviously absorbed something over the past couple seasons and was able to put it to use this year.

Gettinger has been pretty good this year. Better than I thought. Not a disappointment, at least. He had some struggled after the dreaded "upper body injury" but otherwise is having a nice season in all facets.

Gropp's overall game has improved. He's not going to be that scorer we hoped he'd be but he's now doing enough other things that you hold out a little hope that he could see some games in a bottom six role eventually. Where we failed with Tambellini, we might at least turn Gropp into a guy who sees an NHL ice surface.

Day could be another one. You have to credit Maine's staff with helping him, too, but he's a much more competent player now than he was in October. Time will tell on him, but I'm good with his progress.

So, all in all, I think it's not a great environment, but a few guys have succeeded to varying degrees. This ignores Hajek. Of course, guys like Bigras, Fontaine, Lettieri, Meskanen, and O'Gara have stagnated or regressed. Bit of a mixed bag...more negative than positive, probably, but not a total waste.
 

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The thing that I don’t get is it really shouldn’t be hard to have a decent AHL team. Even if you don’t have tons of great prospects down there, sign some AAA ringers, get a decent coach and plug in your real prospects as needed. There’s really no excuse to have such a garbage AHL team when your organization has money for days like NYR does.
We did do this. At least as far as the 4A guys and the prospects. The coaching isn't great, which is a big part. Holland, Schneider, Butler, Beleskey, O'Gara, Gilmour, Tokarski, and Mazanec should have been enough to insulate the prospects. Especially with the unexpected development of Fogarty and Lettieri becoming a legitimate 4A star. It's gotta be the coaching. The team wasn't winning a Calder Cup but they should have been better than they are/were.
 

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If he were to play 10 games straight, the first of which would be at home against Detroit after the west coast trip. That would give him ample time to come here, clear up any visa issues and start playing. No need to have him make the west coast trip.
No EdJovanovski will be at the Vancouver game so he better join the west coast trip!!
 
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We did do this. At least as far as the 4A guys and the prospects. The coaching isn't great, which is a big part. Holland, Schneider, Butler, Beleskey, O'Gara, Gilmour, Tokarski, and Mazanec should have been enough to insulate the prospects. Especially with the unexpected development of Fogarty and Lettieri becoming a legitimate 4A star. It's gotta be the coaching. The team wasn't winning a Calder Cup but they should have been better than they are/were.
Fair enough, seeing all the names laid out now I do recall us acquiring them all one way or another, but I'd forgotten about some of them until now.

Like you said it'd gotta be coaching then. The team doesn't need to be a bunch of world beaters pushing for the calder cup every year but we should have a good, competitive environment down there.
 
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Yeah remember like how Kuznetsov came over right when his season ended. He had 9 points in 17 games. But then his first full season he had 35 points or something. It wasn't until his second year where he established himself as a real weapon.
 

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Realistically, his production is solid for the KHL for his age, not necessarily in a vacuum. I'd love to see him jump in the NHL and be a player right away but I don't think we should expect that.
Optimistically hoping for it.. :)
 
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I haven't been able to post much lately but there is no reason for Kravstov to come over and play NHL games this year. I'm not trying to be negative nancy and I know a lot of us want to see him, but can this organization stop making it hard for itself? Don't burn a year off the ELC, expansion exempt or not. That year could make a difference in 21-22 when maybe they sign someone with the bridge or longterm money they would save on him for one year if he's playing at a high level.

This season is nearly over. He can go to Hartford on an ATO but don't waste a year of his ELC.
 

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Yeah remember like how Kuznetsov came over right when his season ended. He had 9 points in 17 games. But then his first full season he had 35 points or something. It wasn't until his second year where he established himself as a real weapon.
And remember how kuztensov was also much older than d+1
 

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I haven't been able to post much lately but there is no reason for Kravstov to come over and play NHL games this year. I'm not trying to be negative nancy and I know a lot of us want to see him, but can this organization stop making it hard for itself? Don't burn a year off the ELC, expansion exempt or not. That year could make a difference in 21-22 when maybe they sign someone with the bridge or longterm money they would save on him for one year if he's playing at a high level.

This season is nearly over. He can go to Hartford on an ATO but don't waste a year of his ELC.
Priority number 1 is VK's development. Does coming up to the big club for 10-15 games to practice and play 10 min a night for 10 games help his development more than 15 games in the AHL on a bottom feeder at 15+ minutes a night? I think the answer is a resounding Yes the NHL furthers his development more, and so the only hang up for me is whether it exposes him to the expansion draft or not. If you're opinion is that playing more in the AHL will help just as much, then sure, don't burn the year with ELC. But the difference between the AHL and NHL is pretty wide and VK is so close to NHL ready/already is that I feel the AHL won't allow him to continue to develop like playing those games in the NHL would. Let him play in the big league, see what he needs to improve on in the off season, get some confidence, form relationships with teamates and coaching staff, feel like he's one of the guys and enjoy the summer prepping and working out. Just my opinion.
 

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Is expansion really that big of a deal in terms of Kravtsov?

Kravtsov
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Kreider
Panarin
Chytil
Andersson

DeAngelo
Skjei
Hajek

Lundqvist

Our first round picks and other prospects will all be protected, we likely aren't adding any other roster players without subtracting any.
 
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Is expansion really that big of a deal in terms of Kravtsov?

Kravtsov
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Kreider
Panarin
Chytil
Andersson

DeAngelo
Skjei
Hajek

Lundqvist

Our first round picks and other prospects will all be protected, we likely aren't adding any other roster players without subtracting any.

Need to protect Howden.
 

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Is expansion really that big of a deal in terms of Kravtsov?

Kravtsov
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Kreider
Panarin
Chytil
Andersson

DeAngelo
Skjei
Hajek

Lundqvist

Our first round picks and other prospects will all be protected, we likely aren't adding any other roster players without subtracting any.

You don't just throw away the opportunity to have a player exempt for the expansion draft
 
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Is expansion really that big of a deal in terms of Kravtsov?

Kravtsov
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Kreider
Panarin
Chytil
Andersson

DeAngelo
Skjei
Hajek

Lundqvist

Our first round picks and other prospects will all be protected, we likely aren't adding any other roster players without subtracting any.

Also Hank will be a UFA, no need to protect.
 
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