Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part V

[NYRFANMANI]

Not even trying. At the very least please use ethnicity or the country of origin as a way to form pretenses. If you still are having difficulty then skin color is an option as well.

wat? Am I missing something here? Who are you?

edit: nevermind. my sarcasm detector is broken for a long time.

 

[Tawnos]

Just no reason to burn a year while we're awful and he hasn't played in NA at all yet imo.

There is a very good reason to get a high potential player through his ELC as early as possible. Let's say we burn a year of his deal this year, he comes into the league next year, scores 30-ish... then the year after he scores 40-ish. Then he's an RFA and we sign him to 2nd contract in line with what he produced in his first two years. Then in his first year of his 2nd deal, he breaks out to a 60-70 point player (or better). That kind of progression isn't uncommon and, this way, you've already got him under contract for very cheap relative to his production.

Now let's look at the other scenario, where he doesn't burn a year, but follows the same progression. How much more expensive will his contract be after putting up 60-70 points? It won't be nearly the bargain.

 

[Ola]

I also think it’s very important to get a kid into the big show as fast as possible, think he would have a lot less jitters next season etc. Get to know the guys and stay and work with them over the summer.

But if it takes an expansion spot it might be tricky?

 

[haveandare]

There is a very good reason to get a high potential player through his ELC as early as possible. Let's say we burn a year of his deal this year, he comes into the league next year, scores 30-ish... then the year after he scores 40-ish. Then he's an RFA and we sign him to 2nd contract in line with what he produced in his first two years. Then in his first year of his 2nd deal, he breaks out to a 60-70 point player (or better). That kind of progression isn't uncommon and, this way, you've already got him under contract for very cheap relative to his production.

Now let's look at the other scenario, where he doesn't burn a year, but follows the same progression. How much more expensive will his contract be after putting up 60-70 points? It won't be nearly the bargain.

That is... actually a really interesting angle I hadn't considered before. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[romba]

wat? Am I missing something here? Who are you?

Sarcasm/joke- you said everyone is unique(truth) and should be their own comparison, and I poked fun at everyone’s obsession/need to find a comparison which many times is lazy and based off country of origin (of which I’m guilty as well).

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I also think it’s very important to get a kid into the big show as fast as possible, think he would have a lot less jitters next season etc. Get to know the guys and stay and work with them over the summer.

But if it takes an expansion spot it might be tricky?

I think the expansion thing would be the only hold up/downside to getting him in some games this season

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Carp himself may not be well verse in the expansion draft rules, but the staff at the Athletic would most definitely know. He is also a longtime beat writer and certainly has some connections to the front office.

Let's not forget that that Penguins front office was not aware they could not re-acquire Hagelin and had to be told by the league the trade could not happen.

Front offices are not correct all the time.

 

[darko]

There is a very good reason to get a high potential player through his ELC as early as possible. Let's say we burn a year of his deal this year, he comes into the league next year, scores 30-ish... then the year after he scores 40-ish. Then he's an RFA and we sign him to 2nd contract in line with what he produced in his first two years. Then in his first year of his 2nd deal, he breaks out to a 60-70 point player (or better). That kind of progression isn't uncommon and, this way, you've already got him under contract for very cheap relative to his production.

Now let's look at the other scenario, where he doesn't burn a year, but follows the same progression. How much more expensive will his contract be after putting up 60-70 points? It won't be nearly the bargain.

It won't but you sign him to a longterm extension rather than bridging him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think the expansion thing would be the only hold up/downside to getting him in some games this season

That and we don't know when his KHL contract is valid until.

It ends this season, but that could be May 31st or whatever.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That and we don't know when his KHL contract is valid until.

It ends this season, but that could be May 31st or whatever.

April 30th, unless his team releases him from his contract.

 

[Calad]

Let's not forget that that Penguins front office was not aware they could not re-acquire Hagelin and had to be told by the league the trade could not happen.

Front offices are not correct all the time.

While true, if we operate under this assumption, we can safely say that no one at all knows the rules to this and we should listen to no one. At which point, theres zero reason to speculate this as it is merely conjecture

 

[Leetch3]

LOL I remember the exact game you're talking about. Flew down the right side.. Should be on youtube

edit - wow, that was ez to find

and at the point in his career he had no knees left and could still skate like that

 

[Tawnos]

It won't but you sign him to a longterm extension rather than bridging him.

That long-term extension is still going to be cheaper before he breaks out than after it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

While true, if we operate under this assumption, we can safely say that no one at all knows the rules to this and we should listen to no one. At which point, theres zero reason to speculate this as it is merely conjecture

FWIW:

"If Kravtsov does sign his entry-level deal and plays in one game, the Rangers will burn the first year of his contract. However, he won’t have to be protected by the team in the 2021 Seattle expansion draft unless he plays more than 10 pro games (NHL and AHL combined), per the CBA."
www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-rangers-expected-sign-top-khl-prospect-kravtsov/sn-amp/

 

[Crease]

I guess I would have him practice with the team and play the last ten games.

 

[darko]

That long-term extension is still going to be cheaper before he breaks out than after it.

True. On the flip side you bring him over this year, play him, burn a year and realize he's not ready. Next season he's in Hartford while the clock is ticking. One those things where it's damned if you do damned if you don't.

 

[Barnaby]

Let's not forget that that Penguins front office was not aware they could not re-acquire Hagelin and had to be told by the league the trade could not happen.

Front offices are not correct all the time.

Scary, but true.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They're currently talking with Kravtsov's agent but no details yet as to what this will mean. It could be about releasing him

 

[kovazub94]

They're currently talking with Kravtsov's agent but no details yet as to what this will mean. It could be about releasing him

The tweet says Traktor’s FO do not hold negotiations / discussions on any players but they’ve been talking with Kravtsov’s agents two nights in a row. Why Kravtsov is different? Guessing it is because his negotiations are not about an extension or future contracts, but rather about a release from his current and saving Traktor some money.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The tweet says Traktor’s FO do not hold negotiations / discussions on any players but they’ve been talking with Kravtsov’s agents two nights in a row. Why Kravtsov is different? Guessing it is because his negotiations are not about an extension or future contracts, but rather about a release from his current and saving Traktor some money.

That could be it. I think they can release him without consulting the player as long as they pay the salary for the remainder of the deal. The negotiations are either about a mutual agreement for termination or involving the Russian national team and a requirement to stay under contract for that.

 

[kovazub94]

That could be it. I think they can release him without consulting the player as long as they pay the salary for the remainder of the deal. The negotiations are either about a mutual agreement for termination or involving the Russian national team and a requirement to stay under contract for that.

Of course. A further step to entice Traktor to act is maybe for Kravtsov to give up his almost two months of salary or even add a small fine for “breaking” the contract. Obviously pure speculation on my part.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Of course. A further step to entice Traktor to act is maybe for Kravtsov to give up his almost two months of salary or even add a small fine for “breaking” the contract. Obviously pure speculation on my part.

Same here. It's just speculation because aside from precedent on the very surface, we have nothing to go on.

Let's use Kuznetsov as a comparable for a time-line. He signed with the Capitals on March 8th, and played his last game in the KHL on March 4th. If the same timeline is applicable to Kravtsov, he would sign today.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[DutchNYR]

I like it that the Rangers are actually considering letting him play in Russia for another season.

Not saying it should happen, but letting Kravtsov come over, evaluate him and be open-minded about several outcomes is something that gives me faith in the Rangers FO.

 

[Kovalev27]

As long as he’s signed I have zero issue loaning him back to the KHL if he’s not ready. I have a hard time imagining that happening though.