GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[clunk]

Its a sad reality.

It would be nice if Gagner, Eriksson, Gudbranson, Del Zotto, Granlund, and Nilsson could all just kinda go.

Uh... Why do you want to gut the Canucks' foundation?

Are you a Flames fan or something?

 

[Nucker101]

Sharks letting DeMelo walk is a surprise to me

 

[VancouverJagger]

Same here, but on a 2 year deal I'd be game. It buys Gaudette time to develop next year in Utica.

Gaudette is not starting this year in Utica.........I just don't see it. Just listened to an interview with Green talking about Gaudette and he sounds like a big fan. Talked about how he saw him improve every game etc. Unless he falls flat on his face he's starting the season with the big club.

 

[THE Green Man]

Gaudette is not starting this year in Utica.........I just don't see it. Just listened to an interview with Green talking about Gaudette and he sounds like a big fan. Talked about how he saw him improve every game etc. Unless he falls flat on his face he's starting the season with the big club.

I have him penciled in as the 4C as of now too. But if we add say both Beagle and Nash on 2 year deals, I definitely see him in Utica as the 1C and 1st C callup.

 

[VancouverJagger]

People don't want Nash.......people don't want Bozak...........yadda yadda yadda............I get neither one of them are ideal however having Sutter as your #2 center with a bunch of kids sorrounding him certainly isn't either.

We need some sort of skill that can play up and down the lineup and there isn't a ton of other options there.

I would prefer gross overpayments for 2 years rather than a more equitable 3 however I could live with that.

Why do I get the sense that no matter what Benning does he's going to get lambasted? Try to realize we just don't have a ton of options and we really need someone to help bridge the gap to the youngsters. We might be able to lure someone with 2 years and a gross overpayment. If not it will have to be 3. Any more than that is not a good move.

 

[CanaFan]

People don't want Nash.......people don't want Bozak...........yadda yadda yadda............I get neither one of them are ideal however having Sutter as your #2 center with a bunch of kids sorrounding him certainly isn't either.

We need some sort of skill that can play up and down the lineup and there isn't a ton of other options there.

I would prefer gross overpayments for 2 years rather than a more equitable 3 however I could live with that.

Why do I get the sense that no matter what Benning does he's going to get lambasted? Try to realize we just don't have a ton of options and we really need someone to help bridge the gap to the youngsters. We might be able to lure someone with 2 years and a gross overpayment. If not it will have to be 3. Any more than that is not a good move.

People don’t want Nash? I got the sense most people would be happy with him for a reasonable term.

Bozak makes less sense given what it would likely cost to outbid other teams for him.

Not sure we need to do a lot in FA anyway. Yes we lost H&D but other than that we still have rest of the team that was good enough to “insulate the kids” last year plus aren’t we adding some like Pettersson and maybe Gaudette, Dahlen? I think people want a balance between throwing them to the wolves and completely filling up the roster with overpriced UFA junk so that the young players have no opportunity to make the team.

In a perfect world sign Riley Nash for 2-3 years and call it a day. We don’t need to do more than that.

 

[VancouverJagger]

People don’t want Nash? I got the sense most people would be happy with him for a reasonable term.

Bozak makes less sense given what it would likely cost to outbid other teams for him.

Not sure we need to do a lot in FA anyway. Yes we lost H&D but other than that we still have rest of the team that was good enough to “insulate the kids” last year plus aren’t we adding some like Pettersson and maybe Gaudette, Dahlen? I think people want a balance between throwing them to the wolves and completely filling up the roster with overpriced UFA junk so that the young players have no opportunity to make the team.

In a perfect world sign Riley Nash for 2-3 years and call it a day. We don’t need to do more than that.

I agree completely although I think we need a somewhat skilled centre who can move up and down the lineup if necessary. Nash would appear to be just that. I'm also fine with Bozak if need be but no more than a max of 3 years. Much prefer Nash though as he should be cheaper (and is a bit younger). Either way we can't have Sutter as our 2nd line centre. I get the lose for Hughes 2.0 all and all but really?

I also wouldn't mind seeing Reaves on this team...........I really think we need some more toughness/grit on this team (enough about Archibald - he's just not that good).

 

[vancityluongo]

The guy is 35 and DONE.

Talk about taking up a roster spot for a young player

Not at all. Injuries happen and sometimes you'd be better off throwing Burr into the game than a kid being called up from Utica with no rest. Would way rather have Burrows in the pressbox on standby than Goldobin. Kids who deserve to play would, those who don't play in the AHL.

Great locker room guy, and the planned pressbox time would actually be a decent way to groom him for management should that be a route they explore.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I agree completely although I think we need a somewhat skilled centre who can move up and down the lineup if necessary. Nash would appear to be just that. I'm also fine with Bozak if need be but no more than a max of 3 years. Much prefer Nash though as he should be cheaper (and is a bit younger). Either way we can't have Sutter as our 2nd line centre. I get the lose for Hughes 2.0 all and all but really?

I also wouldn't mind seeing Reaves on this team...........I really think we need some more toughness/grit on this team (enough about Archibald - he's just not that good).

Its kinda complicated. We need some grit and skill, but a lot of that depends on Pettersson, Hughes and Juolevi. The advantage of Guddy is that he has the physical presence to make people accountable. Not a lot in the rest of the line up. Maybe Virtanen. Why I want Tryamkin back. We pretty much drafted surfs this year, and the only real big boy in the prospect system is Gadjovich.

From a number of forums, its sounds like the consensus is that Gaudette, Pettersson, Juolevi and Hughs make the team. Will put people in the seats. We actually really have a shot to have a decent team in a year. That really is a core prospect pool. (Of course, if all 4 make the team we will drop about 26 spots in terms of prospects).

Also need to consider that we need fodder for seattle. Another subject, another day.

 

[vancityluongo]

Nash would be awful unless they can punt Gagner somewhere. Even then, he's coming off of a career year. Soderberg who I brought up earlier got 4.75M with term under similar circumstances and a lower cap.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Its kinda complicated. We need some grit and skill, but a lot of that depends on Pettersson, Hughes and Juolevi. The advantage of Guddy is that he has the physical presence to make people accountable. Not a lot in the rest of the line up. Maybe Virtanen. Why I want Tryamkin back. We pretty much drafted surfs this year, and the only real big boy in the prospect system is Gadjovich.

From a number of forums, its sounds like the consensus is that Gaudette, Pettersson, Juolevi and Hughs make the team. Will put people in the seats. We actually really have a shot to have a decent team in a year. That really is a core prospect pool. (Of course, if all 4 make the team we will drop about 26 spots in terms of prospects).

Also need to consider that we need fodder for seattle. Another subject, another day.

Well that was supposed to be Guddy's job however I don't think he was overly amazing at it. I'm pretty sure management is of a similar mindset as well and is going to go after Reaves. Our team otherwise is really really soft - not a great situation for some really small rookies too come into. Having someone else who has their back and can put some fear of retribution in other teams players I think is important........even at the cost of a big overpayment.

 

[CanaFan]

Its kinda complicated. We need some grit and skill, but a lot of that depends on Pettersson, Hughes and Juolevi. The advantage of Guddy is that he has the physical presence to make people accountable. Not a lot in the rest of the line up. Maybe Virtanen. Why I want Tryamkin back. We pretty much drafted surfs this year, and the only real big boy in the prospect system is Gadjovich.

From a number of forums, its sounds like the consensus is that Gaudette, Pettersson, Juolevi and Hughs make the team. Will put people in the seats. We actually really have a shot to have a decent team in a year. That really is a core prospect pool. (Of course, if all 4 make the team we will drop about 26 spots in terms of prospects).

Also need to consider that we need fodder for seattle. Another subject, another day.

I would be stunned if all of Gaudette, Pettersson, Juolevi, and Hughes make the team next year. I think 2 of those 4 would be amazing. Running with a rookie laden team is not this Management groups MO, despite what people recall from 2015-16. All 4 of those players are AHL eligible unlike Virtanen and McCann a few years back. I think Green would resign if he had to play 4 rookies in the same game.

 

[pgj98m3]

I would be stunned if all of Gaudette, Pettersson, Juolevi, and Hughes make the team next year. I think 2 of those 4 would be amazing. Running with a rookie laden team is not this Management groups MO, despite what people recall from 2015-16. All 4 of those players are AHL eligible unlike Virtanen and McCann a few years back. I think Green would resign if he had to play 4 rookies in the same game.

Then he should resign and get it over with...this is going to be a rebuilding rookie laden team for several years if the ultimate goal is a deep run in the playoffs.

 

[lush]

We are going to wind up with a few overpaid veterans guys, that needs to be accepted
I don't think it will be as bad as previously because management is publicly declaring a rebuild
But they don't want the kids embarrassed and crushed for another lottery pick season either.
Need to be able to push guys down to the AHL, and veteran bodies for our travel schedule
No veteran guy will sign on a rebuilding team for less, especially knowing a trade comes in the final year.
I think we should be looking for multiple guys with injury history. If they're healthy you can get picks for them. If they aren't healthy ever the kids get more ice time. Win/Win. Wait did I just advocate for overpaid injury prone guys?

 

[y2kcanucks]

People don't want Nash.......people don't want Bozak...........yadda yadda yadda............I get neither one of them are ideal however having Sutter as your #2 center with a bunch of kids sorrounding him certainly isn't either.

We need some sort of skill that can play up and down the lineup and there isn't a ton of other options there.

I would prefer gross overpayments for 2 years rather than a more equitable 3 however I could live with that.

Why do I get the sense that no matter what Benning does he's going to get lambasted? Try to realize we just don't have a ton of options and we really need someone to help bridge the gap to the youngsters. We might be able to lure someone with 2 years and a gross overpayment. If not it will have to be 3. Any more than that is not a good move.

Probably because when you're talking about bad option vs. bad option, it's still a bad option.

Maybe we shouldn't be overpaying Sutter to not be our 2C?

There are other options than overpaying Bozak or Nash. Derek Ryan, for example, would be a much better option and should be a lot cheaper.

 

[y2kcanucks]

We are going to wind up with a few overpaid veterans guys, that needs to be accepted
I don't think it will be as bad as previously because management is publicly declaring a rebuild
But they don't want the kids embarrassed and crushed for another lottery pick season either.
Need to be able to push guys down to the AHL, and veteran bodies for our travel schedule
No veteran guy will sign on a rebuilding team for less, especially knowing a trade comes in the final year.
I think we should be looking for multiple guys with injury history. If they're healthy you can get picks for them. If they aren't healthy ever the kids get more ice time. Win/Win. Wait did I just advocate for overpaid injury prone guys?

Wrong. That doesn't need to be accepted. Smart management wouldn't strap this team with a few overpaid veteran guys, especially on contracts longer than 1 year.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Well that was supposed to be Guddy's job however I don't think he was overly amazing at it. I'm pretty sure management is of a similar mindset as well and is going to go after Reaves. Our team otherwise is really really soft - not a great situation for some really small rookies too come into. Having someone else who has their back and can put some fear of retribution in other teams players I think is important........even at the cost of a big overpayment.

Then why did they overpay Gudbranson to stay here? He's not good at anything really. Why overpay him just so they have to overpay another goon on free agency?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

What ever you do, dont sign Burrows

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Wrong. That doesn't need to be accepted. Smart management wouldn't strap this team with a few overpaid veteran guys, especially on contracts longer than 1 year.

I think he meant accepting reality, because it's gonna happen no matter how many posts you make on internet

 

[y2kcanucks]

I think he meant accepting reality, because it's gonna happen no matter how many posts you make on internet

I honestly don't give a f*** if that's our reality. Just because we have idiots managing this team does not mean we should lower our standards, and I think there are way too many people who have done that. I'm going to hold them to the same standard that I would hold any management group to. A bad decision is a bad decision, and that should not be acceptable. None of this bullcrap about "oh well it's Benning so you knew he was going to do something stupid, just accept it and give him another contract extension." f*** that shit.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Nash would be awful unless they can punt Gagner somewhere. Even then, he's coming off of a career year. Soderberg who I brought up earlier got 4.75M with term under similar circumstances and a lower cap.

gagner plays the wing half the time anyway.

i am more concerned with term than amount on ufas. in the short term they need to survive next season without creating a situation that destroys some valuable prospects. if the price for that is say $10-12million in 1 or 2 year contracts where we over pay 50%, it could definitely be worse.

 

[Cancuks]

Derek Grant from Anaheim might be a cheap C option. Local guy, has size, might be a late bloomer.

 

[y2kcanucks]

gagner plays the wing half the time anyway.

i am more concerned with term than amount on ufas. in the short term they need to survive next season without creating a situation that destroys some valuable prospects. if the price for that is say $10-12million in 1 or 2 year contracts where we over pay 50%, it could definitely be worse.

How about this: do what Toronto did in 2015-16. Simple. Done.

Overpaying free agents should not be acceptable. It's a stupid way of managing.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I would be completely on board with this. Skilled, fast as all get-out, good on the PK, young (25 years old)...he'd be a damn good add.

 

[krutovsdonut]

How about this: do what Toronto did in 2015-16. Simple. Done.

Overpaying free agents should not be acceptable. It's a stupid way of managing.

maybe we should move the team to san diego for the year. otherwise,
resigning our own fringe players and overpaying free agents is the only way we get warm bodies until we do not suck enough that people actually want to spend a season in this high travel, high tax, high housing cost fishbowl market.

we also have too many developing prospects and players to just pull the pin like the leafs did for a year. we need to suck with some kind of structure and purpose.