GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[TeddyBare]

I'd rather of given him 3.75 over 2

same amount of money and he gets the money faster.

Yeah Yeah, but guess what?
I would have rather give him 7.5 million in 1 year.

 

[Fire Benning]

Are we really at a point where we have to complain about a 7.5m worth contract when we have **** ton of cap space ?

The term is the problem I have with it. He's a 4th liner turning 33 in October, the main problem is that he's a boring, slow, and old player, which the opposite direction that we should be headed in.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I thought Sutter's job was to handle the D zone stuff?

The cap hit is too high, but what makes it laughable is it's for 3 years. For 1 year I'd be fine with this. 3 years is ridiculous.

Everyone knows Sutter was a mistake from the start, Beagle is essentially an older but better, cheaper version of Sutter, wont be surprise if they let him walk next summer.

They are trying to find an C who can be a stop gap until the young players are already which I believe is the right move, after all you need 4 centers on a team and I certainly do not trust Granlund, Gagner or even Gaunce to play C.

With that mindset, I would take Beagle on a cheap 3 years deal who does not have many offense in him, over a guy like Bozak who's better offensively but is likely to get a gross deal

 

[Nuckles]

Nailed it.

lmao

I guess we can assume that none of our prospects will get a chance to claim a roster spot. We're a bottom 10 lock once again, very likely bottom 5 team (unless we have a crazy run to end the year again).

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I don’t mind the signing if it’s 3 x 2.5M, would have preferred 2 years. Beagle is a beast defensively.

Horvat
Eriksson Gaudette EP??
Beagle
Sutter

With Beagle and Sutter taking defensive zone starts, playing checking roles, and killing penalties it allows Horvat and Gaudette’s line to focus on offence, making life much easier for EP/Gaudette. Not sure if Gaudette will be able to Center the 2nd line but I would rather give our youngsters a chance to flourish instead of signing some overpriced UFA to Center the second line and force our prospects into checking roles.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

The term is the problem I have with it. He's a 4th liner turning 33 in October, the main problem is that he's a boring, slow, and old player, which the opposite direction that we should be headed in.

He's a boring player, but you know who is a not so boring UFA Centre? Tyler Bozak....

Sure he's not the most exciting player, but he had just proven that he can be a 4C on a cup winner, if they are looking for a stop gap, I'll take Beagle anyday, 3 years is too long but it's tolerable if they dont resign Sutter

 

[justafan22]

reaves

 

[DonnyNucker]

Beagle is just an awful signing.

Did anyone actually look at this roster and think 'wow, what we really need to do is overpay for an old, slow 4th line center!'?

And yeah, half of every game with Beagle and Sutter on the ice. What a great product to offer fans. Get ready for a 30th place finish in GF again.

Everyone knows you will complain no matter who is signed. For future reference, what signings/ term will you not complain about?

 

[y2kcanucks]

Everyone knows Sutter was a mistake from the start, Beagle is essentially an older but better, cheaper version of Sutter, wont be surprise if they let him walk next summer.

They are trying to find an C who can be a stop gap until the young players are already which I believe is the right move, after all you need 4 centers on a team and I certainly do not trust Granlund, Gagner or even Gaunce to play C.

With that mindset, I would take Beagle on a cheap 3 years deal who does not have many offense in him, over a guy like Bozak who's better offensively but is likely to get a gross deal

Except it's a mistake that Benning could easily get out of by trading him but he refuses to do so. So now he's going to keep Sutter and pay a 33 year old 4th liner $2.5M for the next 3 years.

You don't sign "stop gaps" for 3 years. A 1 year contract, or 2 years tops would be "stop gap." 3 years means he's part of the team and Benning sees him as being a regular member of the team for the medium term.

 

[Intoewsables]

Gross. Beagle will be 33 next season, and bottom-six players rarely hold up well past 30. Wouldn't be too surprised if he's done as an NHL player by the end of next season.

Why are we signing players like this anyway? We already have enough bottom-six filler on this roster as is.

 

[Fire Benning]

You know you team's management is terrible when they make a bad move and the only logical defense of it is that it "could've been worse".

 

[Nuckles]

Everyone knows you will complain no matter who is signed. For future reference, what signings/ term will you not complain about?

lol are you seriously trying to say that signing Beagle to a 3 year, $7.5M contract isn't bad? Or that the majority of Benning's UFA contracts haven't been terrible?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Nailed it.



I guess we can assume that none of our prospects will get a chance to claim a roster spot. We're a bottom 10 lock once again, very likely bottom 5 team (unless we have a crazy run to end the year again).

Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Goldobin Granlund Pettersson
Leipsic Sutter Virtanen
Gagner Beagle Eriksson
Gaunce

I guess Gaudette start in the minor? I mean they can easily wave Granlund or Gaunce and not sweat a bit if the get claimed

 

[Nuckles]

ayyy lmao

 

[duplo]

aaaaaaaaaaand there it is

 

[y2kcanucks]

Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Goldobin Granlund Pettersson
Leipsic Sutter Virtanen
Gagner Beagle Eriksson
Gaunce

I guess Gaudette start in the minor? I mean they can easily wave Granlund or Gaunce and not sweat a bit if the get claimed

LOL at that $12M 4th line.

 

[y2kcanucks]

ayyy lmao

"but he's learning"

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

ayyy lmao

well damn
Are they going to fit him
They have so many bottom 6 fowards now it's crazy

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

The question now becomes where the offensive production past the Horvat is supposed to come from.. Sutter and Beagle aren't exactly the guys you want in the offensive zone nor are they the guys you want to put a prospect like Pettersson with. Gaudette certainly shouldn't be expected to produce right away either and I expect a Horvat style growth from him.

Putting guys like Goldobin, Dahlen, Virtanen, Pettersson or whoever else with Sutter or Beagle isn't exactly good for offensive production and that's what gives me a gut feeling they're trying to find a center via trade.

 

[forty47seven]

I do see your point. But when we have the money to spend it makes sense to offer more, when it is less in terms of percentage of the cap vs other teams. Honestly I just hope that another team was offering 3 years and that's why he's been given that term. I'm not a fan of the extra year- 2 would have been ideal.

PK duty is a massive part of his game and so is the faceoff dot. He was 58.5% in the dot during the season and 60.1% in the playoffs. When we are going to struggle to score, having the puck to at least get it out of our zone is going to be a huge asset. But again, 3 years is a year too long.

If he's demanding 3 years term, they should looking somewhere else. Brodziak and Richardson were both ~52% in the dot and played a similar role on the PK.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Totally okay with this.

I am too - Comical all the sky is falling types here - they wouldn't be happy with anything we did. I swear the majority of this board isn't happy unless they are having a tantrum. 3 x 2.5 - I am fine with. I would have preferred 2 however rather doubt that was an option here. Management viewed our team as soft as jello last year after Dorsett went out - I tend to agree.

We are adding some character and grit to our team..........something that was sorely lacking last year. This deal isn't breaking the bank and will help take some of the heavy lifting off of our kids.

Yes I know we still lack skill and a second line centre - well aware of that. And yes I agree this doesn't really move the needle one way or another overall.........Either way some people on this board might want to try some sayyy yoga or something? Maybe some meditation? If a Beagle contract for 2.5x3 stresses them out soo much I can hardly imagine how difficult the burdens of everyday life are for them to endure.......

#Geezuspeoples #Chilltheeffout

 

[DonnyNucker]

lol are you seriously trying to say that signing Beagle to a 3 year, $7.5M contract isn't bad? Or that the majority of Benning's UFA contracts haven't been terrible?

Did we sign him for $7.5MM? My point is we could sign him for $1MM and MS would complain.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Kinda hoping for a $3M contract to 10 point Reaves too. This will be hilarious.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Guys breath, breath

I would be shock if they add Reaves
Even if they dont resign Archibald and Dowd
That will be 15 forward with Reaves

 

[Lindgren]

True enough. The Pouliot contract isn’t big either. Nor is the Granlund contract etc etc.

The issue is that the roster is very quickly being filled with what is essentially insignificant crap. It’s not a bad signing per se but when you sign a 33 years old 4th liner to multi year deals it doesn’t scream someone is getting better at their job. Beagle is a guy a team acquires as part of an attempt to get over the hump as they need some defensive forward/pk depth.

But let’s see what the contract is and let’s see what shakes out over the rest of the summer.

For the reason bolded above, I think it'd be a bad signing period. If Benning trades Sutter, then that makes it much better. I'm not counting on that.