GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[y2kcanucks]

"but he's learning"

3 years for a 33 year old 4th line forward at $2.5M per year is awful.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Are we really at a point where we have to complain about a 7.5m worth contract when we have shit ton of cap space ?

 

[CanaFan]

God, what an idiotic signing.

We're going to be paying this guy $2.5 million for 10 points at age 36.

Queue the annual cycle of “but we can trade [insert player name] for picks later in the summer / at the TDL” followed by “well obviously Jim couldn’t get any picks for [insert player name], there’s no market for terrible players like that”

 

[MS]

$2.5 million is not a lot of money in the 2018 NHL. In 3 years it will be almost insignificant.

When 1/3 of your roster is filled with these 'insignificant' screw-ups and overpayments on bad players, it becomes significant.

 

[canwincup]

The Canucks are going to be so fun to watch with Sutter and Beagle on the ice for 40 minutes a night!! Can’t wait

 

[CanaFan]

Are we really at a point where we have to complain about a 7.5m worth contract when we have **** ton of cap space ?

Are we always going to have a ton of cap space?

 

[forty47seven]

I don't get the backlash already without knowing the term. If it's 3 years yeah I'm not ok with it. But if it's 2 years I'm all for it. It lets Bo focus on offense, Gaudette to develop with the Lind's and Dahlen's in Utica.

The other thing it does is help the PK- which is key if they are somewhat trying to win a few games here and there next year. We aren't going to score much, so if they can limit the PP goals against it's a huge swing there. Especially if Boeser and Petersson on the PP can make magic happen.

There's backlash because the narrative in the media is multiple teams are interested. The Canucks being the front runner means they're offering the most money. It's pretty much a given they're going to overpay if there's competition. Anyone who's tried to buy real estate in Vancouver can tell you what competition does to the sale price.

All of this is purely driven by recency bias. What separates Beagle from the half dozen other 30+ year old UFA 4th line centers? A Stanley Cup win this year. That's all. Is he really that much better than Richardson, Brodziak, Letesu, Mitchell, ect. that warrants this type of demand? Any of these guys can play the same role and kill penalties. I bet you can get any of them for less money and less term.

 

[THE Green Man]

Not a fan of the 3 year term, would way rather add AAV to reduce that to 2 years.

If Pettersson's line gets Sedin-equivalent minutes (a big step up for Gagner, if that's who Pettersson's centre is), and Sutter gets what he got last year, and Horvat gets what he got last year, how is Beagle going to be left with many minutes of any kind, hard or otherwise?

Do you think a team with Horvat, Sutter, Gagner, and Beagle down the middle would score more or fewer goals than last year's rather low-scoring outfit?

A Beagle signing would give the Canucks two veteran centres who offer very little as playmakers. It would put Pettersson, who looks likely to be playing on the wing because he isn't physically ready to play centre, alongside a veteran who has proven inadequate at centre because of defensive limitations. It simply doesn't make sense.

He's going to get 4th line minutes but may be the guy out there for a defensive draw and then change with the 2nd line. No doubt he doesn't add to the offensive woes, but no UFA this year that could help in that department would make sense with the term they'd get.

lmao

Sounds like Maroon is still on the radar- at 3 years max, ideally 2 I'd like the pickup.

Good question, no idea.

For me center looks like this:

Horvat
Sutter/EP
Gaudette/Granlund
Beagle/Gaunce

Seems like something has to give, same of defense. I don’t want EP playing with guys that can’t score. I know he has to earn it but for me playing him with Boeser and Horvat makes sense. Defensively responsible Horvat and two guys that can score.

Playing him with Sutter would stunt his development imo.

Maybe an Eriksson Baertchi combo could work? Just seems like the Canucks have a lot of guys that do similar things.

I think Sutter and Gaunce need to go.

I agree, Sutter centering Petersson would not be good. Right now without adding a 2C I'm expecting: Eriksson-Gagner-Petersson

 

[Nucker42]

I have no issue with Beagle deal, my issue is that he’s a better cheaper version of Sutter.

If the Canucks are not actively trying to trade Sutter then I wouldn’t sign Beagle.

Having Horvat Sutter Beagle Granlund as your centers doesn’t leave room for the Gaudettes and EP’s

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Are we always going to have a ton of cap space?

we will at least for the next 3 years, assume no more huge contract gets added

 

[CanaFan]

80 million dollar cap, 2.5 million is not going to keep us from doing anything.

He will still have value by next year and could easily be flipped.

But we all know he won’t be.

 

[tantalum]

$2.5 million is not a lot of money in the 2018 NHL. In 3 years it will be almost insignificant.

True enough. The Pouliot contract isn’t big either. Nor is the Granlund contract etc etc.

The issue is that the roster is very quickly being filled with what is essentially insignificant crap. It’s not a bad signing per se but when you sign a 33 years old 4th liner to multi year deals it doesn’t scream someone is getting better at their job. Beagle is a guy a team acquires as part of an attempt to get over the hump as they need some defensive forward/pk depth.

But let’s see what the contract is and let’s see what shakes out over the rest of the summer.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Are we really at a point where we have to complain about a 7.5m worth contract when we have **** ton of cap space ?

Back to the "cap space and bad contracts don't matter" BS?

 

[Melvin]

lmao

Ryan Reaves is basically a lock.

 

[StreetHawk]

There's backlash because the narrative in the media is multiple teams are interested. The Canucks being the front runner means they're offering the most money. It's pretty much a given they're going to overpay if there's competition. Anyone who's tried to buy real estate in Vancouver can tell you what competition does to the sale price.

All of this is purely driven by recency bias. What separates Beagle from the half dozen other 30+ year old UFA 4th line centers? A Stanley Cup win this year. That's all. Is he really that much better than Richardson, Brodziak, Letesu, Mitchell, ect. that warrants this type of demand? Any of these guys can play the same role and kill penalties. I bet you can get any of them for less money and less term.

That is the price bad teams in crazy overbearing markets have to pay for ufas.

If you are going to lose, better to do so in AZ where people and media are not on you daily.

Unless you are getting paid.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Back to the "cap space and bad contracts don't matter" BS?

they do matters, but we have enough cap space now to add a serviceable veteran who can handle the D zone job without being even close to the cap , this isnt really something to get mad about.
Im okay with the signing, would be happy if this means one of Gagner or Eriksson is gone or they let Sutter walk

 

[THE Green Man]

There's backlash because the narrative in the media is multiple teams are interested. The Canucks being the front runner means they're offering the most money. It's pretty much a given they're going to overpay if there's competition. Anyone who's tried to buy real estate in Vancouver can tell you what competition does to the sale price.

All of this is purely driven by recency bias. What separates Beagle from the half dozen other 30+ year old UFA 4th line centers? A Stanley Cup win this year. That's all. Is he really that much better than Richardson, Brodziak, Letesu, Mitchell, ect. that warrants this type of demand? Any of these guys can play the same role and kill penalties. I bet you can get any of them for less money and less term.

I do see your point. But when we have the money to spend it makes sense to offer more, when it is less in terms of percentage of the cap vs other teams. Honestly I just hope that another team was offering 3 years and that's why he's been given that term. I'm not a fan of the extra year- 2 would have been ideal.

PK duty is a massive part of his game and so is the faceoff dot. He was 58.5% in the dot during the season and 60.1% in the playoffs. When we are going to struggle to score, having the puck to at least get it out of our zone is going to be a huge asset. But again, 3 years is a year too long.

 

[Breakers]

I'd rather of given him 3.75 over 2

same amount of money and he gets the money faster.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

So is it that we should wait to see the term and money or he’s a great signing? Your post is confusing.

As a player He’s a great signing regardless. Anything 3yrs and under and under 2.75 million per is a great deal.

 

[MS]

Are we really at a point where we have to complain about a 7.5m worth contract when we have **** ton of cap space ?

The term and age of the player are much bigger problems than the AAV.

Most 4th liners are done in the NHL by age 30-32. Odds this is a positive contributor in the last 2 years of his deal are slim. And he's uselessly blocking out another younger player.

The single biggest rule of free agency is that you do not give term to non-elite players over age 32-33. Teams see a guy contributing well at age 30 or 31 and project that they'll maintain that until they're 35 or 36 and it just never happens and these contracts always end up being mistakes (a unicorn like Justin Williams notwithstanding).

 

[y2kcanucks]

they do matters, but we have enough cap space now to add a serviceable veteran who can handle the D zone job without being even close to the cap , this isnt really something to get mad about.
Im okay with the signing, would be happy if this means one of Gagner or Eriksson is gone or they let Sutter walk

I thought Sutter's job was to handle the D zone stuff?

The cap hit is too high, but what makes it laughable is it's for 3 years. For 1 year I'd be fine with this. 3 years is ridiculous.

 

[forty47seven]

I can only Imagine what 35 year old Beagle is going to look like. A buy out most likely..

 

[CanaFan]

Starts the year at age 33. Will begin his final year at age 35. Is the type of player that typically drops off of a cliff in their mid 30’s.

Should be fun.

 

[y2kcanucks]

For a fan base that lambasted Gillis for the Chris Higgins contract...to then turn around and be okay with this Jay Beagle contract is downright hilarious.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

noooo I don't want to read the arguments over this contract. Please god no. This is honestly Kafkaesque.