GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[Pavel96]

I apologize about player spelling..

Ericksson Horvat Boeser
Granlund Gaudette Pettersen
Baertschi Beagle Virtanen
Gagner Sutter Gaunce
Leipsic
Goldobin Dhalen

With rumours that Jay Beagle is heading to the Canucks on July 1st, I really hope we don’t sign anyone else. I’m happy Bozak is out of the picture and hope we pass on Riley Nash and Derek Ryan as well. There is a log jam upfront (and on defence), By just picking up 1 ufa (Beagle), Goldobin and Dhalen are on the outside looking in. We are not competing for the Stanley cup, Give our youngsters a chance to play. The Canucks should be assessing what they have instead of signing overpriced mediocre ufas that will further block roster spots. Also really hope Beagle is max 2 years at 3 mill per year and nothing more.

How could they not give Beagle 4 M. Sutter and Guddy make that and if he's the third line center he would be more important to the team than a 4c or bottom 2 d? Plus, I assume Beagle is great in the room (3.5 right there) and he "know's what it takes to win" now that he has a cup (4M). I'm guessing he'll get the 3 x 4M special.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I agree with you he will probably get 3.5 to 4M, just hope it’s for 2 years not 3 if he’s coming here.

 

[MS]

Beagle is 33 and should be getting 2 years at $1.5 million/year. Anything more than that is idiotic for an old checking center.

Nash is 29 y/o who had never topped 25 points and was headed for that again until he scored 15 points in 15 games subbing in for an injured Bergeron with Pasternak and Marchand on one of the best lines in the NHL. Maybe he has some untapped potential. But probably it was a fluke that some team will stupidly overpay for.

 

[Krnuckfan]

Beagle is 33 and should be getting 2 years at $1.5 million/year. Anything more than that is idiotic for an old checking center.

Nash is 29 y/o who had never topped 25 points and was headed for that again until he scored 15 points in 15 games subbing in for an injured Bergeron with Pasternak and Marchand on one of the best lines in the NHL. Maybe he has some untapped potential. But probably it was a fluke that some team will stupidly overpay for.

You're right he had a span of 15 pts in 15 games from Feb 11th to March 13th. Before the game on Feb 11th, he had 23 pts in 52 games which is a 36 point pace over a full 82 game season. Marchand/Pastrnak was part of the scoring in 5 of those 23 points.

Given how the canucks don't have anyone the calibre of Marchand/Pastrnak, and how he's been at ~25 pt pace for the rest of his career, and how it's unlikely he all of a sudden truly became a better offensive player and broke out at the age of 29, I expect he will be a flop if he comes to the canucks and being relied on as a 2nd line center.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

If Nash is the best they can acquire in terms of a center to fill in the #2/#3C spot then next season will be painful to watch (hopefully with a big reward).

I'll be unsurprised if they make a trade for a center if they strikeout on Free Agency.

 

[MS]

You're right he had a span of 15 pts in 15 games from Feb 11th to March 13th. Before the game on Feb 11th, he had 23 pts in 52 games which is a 36 point pace over a full 82 game season. Marchand/Pastrnak was part of the scoring in 5 of those 23 points.

Given how the canucks don't have anyone the calibre of Marchand/Pastrnak, and how he's been at ~25 pt pace for the rest of his career, and how it's unlikely he all of a sudden truly became a better offensive player and broke out at the age of 29, I expect he will be a flop if he comes to the canucks and being relied on as a 2nd line center.

... and he promptly turned into a pumpkin when Bergeron came back, with 1 point in his last 13 games including playoffs.

 

[Bleach Clean]

the math is pretty simple: last year - sedins + possible steps by others - edler and tanev getting older = ??.

I think you're underestimating the potential impact of Pettersson. He should be able to compensate for the loss of 1 Sedin. The loss of the other Sedin, particularly Henrik, is what will have to be addressed. If they do, then the team has every chance at repeating their finish from this year -- which was some distance away from 31st overall.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I think you're underestimating the potential impact of Pettersson. He should be able to compensate for the loss of 1 Sedin. The loss of the other Sedin, particularly Henrik, is what will have to be addressed. If they do, then the team has every chance at repeating their finish from this year -- which was some distance away from 31st overall.

i am pretty cautious about projecting any prospect who has not attended a camp or played an nhl game. auston matthews and mcdavid were pretty safe to project to play a regular shift. beyond that, i am optimistic.

 

[Bleach Clean]

i am pretty cautious about projecting any prospect who has not attended a camp or played an nhl game. auston matthews and mcdavid were pretty safe to project to play a regular shift. beyond that, i am optimistic.

You don't have to be in order to understand that there has to be some level of NHL equivalency. Unless you're expecting Pettersson to fail out of the league entirely? Saving that, it's rationale to expect a portion of his production to translate. This isn't a Virtanen situation where they may have brought him up early from junior and he floundered. Pettersson just dominated the 3rd best mens league in the world. I'm comfortable projecting a 40~ point NHL player from that data. More is likely.

 

[krutovsdonut]

You don't have to be in order to understand that there has to be some level of NHL equivalency. Unless you're expecting Pettersson to fail out of the league entirely? Saving that, it's rationale to expect a portion of his production to translate. This isn't a Virtanen situation where they may have brought him up early from junior and he floundered. Pettersson just dominated the 3rd best mens league in the world. I'm comfortable projecting a 40~ point NHL player from that data. More is likely.

pettersson was on a dominant veteran team able to deploy him cautiously and very favourably. he was absolutely set up to succeed and did so, which is a credit to him.

with the sedins gone its anyone's guess how our squad will unfold. you can be reasonably sure we cannot offer pettersson the same opportunity as vaxjo just did. if he scores 40 points i will be very impressed.

 

[forty47seven]

If all that's realistically available is veteran 4th line centers to fill their need, don't go after the flavour of the week. Nash and Beagle are going to get paid and probably get term. One's coming off a career year and the other off a Stanley Cup win. I hope the Canucks have learned their lesson with Gagner.

If they're targeting a veteran center, find player's who are undervalued and coming off down/injury plauged years. Go after guys like Brad Richardson or Mark Letestu and sign them to "show me" one year deals. Hedge your bets, sign a few of these guys and hope one works out. They have the cap space to buyout or bury the one's that don't work out in the minors.

On the topic of value pickups coming off down years, I wouldn't mind bringing back Jannik Hansen either.

 

[Bleach Clean]

pettersson was on a dominant veteran team able to deploy him cautiously and very favourably. he was absolutely set up to succeed and did so, which is a credit to him.

with the sedins gone its anyone's guess how our squad will unfold. you can be reasonably sure we cannot offer pettersson the same opportunity as vaxjo just did. if he scores 40 points i will be very impressed.

Pettersson is likely to get 2nd line deployment and PP time. Similar to how the Sedins were deployed this past season. Do you think he gets a drastically different treatment? If so, why?

I don't understand the hesitation to project _anything_ for Pettersson? That doesn't make sense. We have his numbers. We know his equivalency rates bode well and we know where in the line-up he will likely fit. There's information there to speculate.

For me, if he were to get less points per minute than a bottom6er, given 2nd line deployment, that would be a little disappointing. However, I don't expect that from him. I'm expecting mid-low 2nd line numbers... and I think I'm being conservative.

 

[DFAC]

Duclair please

 

[Devilsrock17]

I would like to see Vancouver be aggressive on July 1st. Go get Bozak,De Hann, add some depth players as well maybe Like a Noesek or Calvert.I would trade for a goalie though Markstrom hasn't shown me Any signs of being a true number 1.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

I can see Jussi Jokinen catching on as a camp invitee.

It's a feel good story that isn't quite played out yet imo

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I would like to see Vancouver be aggressive on July 1st. Go get Bozak,De Hann, add some depth players as well maybe Like a Noesek or Calvert.I would trade for a goalie though Markstrom hasn't shown me Any signs of being a true number 1.

Why sign aging mediocre ufas to big money contracts? We should play our young guns and see what they have. This is a year to assess our young talent not sign garbage ufas to block roster spots.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Why sign aging mediocre ufas to big money contracts? We should play our young guns and see what they have. This is a year to assess our young talent not sign garbage ufas to block roster spots.

Rumor has it we're not on Bozak's short list. One of the benefits of being in the spot we're currently in is that expensive free agents will save us from ourselves.

 

[pgj98m3]

I can see Jussi Jokinen catching on as a camp invitee.

It's a feel good story that isn't quite played out yet imo

Oh man.....put down the pipe.

 

[Jyrki21]

No Bozak? No Jack Johnson??

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

I dont think we should be going the UFA route.Benning has collected a bunch of trash on this team,,its time for him to put on his big boy pants and trade off some of his crap first.

 

[ShouldveDraftedFiala]

Offering money and term to centers like Nash and Bozek would be worse than the Gagner-Del Zotto signings....best solution is to muddle by with the centers they've got and hope Pettersson can move into the middle by mid-season. And unless they blow their brains out to try an acquire O-Reilly or are willing to eat a really bad contract (Spezza) there just isn't any help on July 1st.

Spezza is the kind of center we should be targeting. Get another team to pay us for dumping their bloated contract. Although with only 1 more year left on his contract they may be less inclined to pay much. Not many options outside of him at center either.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I'd be alright with Duclair or Rieder. They could be decent middle six players that wouldn't break the bank or warrant a multi-year deal. They're safe signings for a rebuilding team. Could go the way of Burmistrov, but who cares about that small of a risk.

Stastny, Green, de Haan, and Riley Nash would be decent targets if they're aiming for the playoffs.

Is everyone thinking they will roll with Markstrom-Nilsson again? I wouldn't oppose dumping Nilsson and throwing in a short-term offer for Lehner or Hutton, maybe Mrazek if we're desperate. It would be change for the sake of change - it's hard to know how good/bad our goalies are with that defence in front of them.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Spezza is the kind of center we should be targeting. Get another team to pay us for dumping their bloated contract. Although with only 1 more year left on his contract they may be less inclined to pay much. Not many options outside of him at center either.

I was on board with bringing Spezza here earlier, but not anymore. There are options out there that could be better such as Rask out of Carolina or Johnson out of TBay. Money is going to shift between teams. The Canucks are positioned well to take advantage. Spezza is not a priority they should be seeking out.

 

[ShouldveDraftedFiala]

I was on board with bringing Spezza here earlier, but not anymore. There are options out there that could be better such as Rask out of Carolina or Johnson out of TBay. Money is going to shift between teams. The Canucks are positioned well to take advantage. Spezza is not a priority they should be seeking out.

Johnson would be a great fit. Has the talent to center Petterson and can swap with him to RW when he's ready. With the emergence of some of Tampa's younger players, you'd have to think they'd want to unload that contract.

Dont really see Carolina wanting to move Rask unless Necas proves to be ready and they want to make room.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Oh man.....put down the pipe.

Just think about it. Jussi gets here and his career is on life support. Team after team having written him off, the Canucks looked like the end of the road when he got here as a deadline salary dump and was inserted in the box upstairs to sit out his final days. And then only after injuries hit and Green has exhausted all other roster options is Jussi inserted into the lineup and only then does a funny thing happen at the rink.

Against all odds, Jussi suddenly channels the Jokinen of halcyon days and actually contributes on the ice, even providing modest offense. Only the hardest bitten hockey curmudgeon went unmoved by what they saw. And I believe the Canucks brass were no different. In fact I think the hard bitten old school WHL types like Linden, Benning and Green are sentimentalists; easy marks for a feel good underdog story. I believe the record bears this out and fully I expect them to swallow hook line and sinker if Jokinen delivers at camp.

And while we're on the subject of potential feel good Canucklehead camp stories, what about a final run for Hansen and Burrows? Doubling down on the nostalgia might make for a semi effective diversion tactic as the team craters in the standings?