GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[me2]

Are you serious?
Toronto? They were a bottom feeder for 10/15 years to get where they are even in a non cap era.
Winnipeg?
They were the Atlanta Thrashers who were terrible the whole time they were in the league for like 10 or more years.

So your point is to be bad for 10/15 year period ?

Being bad for 10 years seems to be the latest Pro-Benning defense. 4 year contacts to plugs, it doesn't matter since we won't be competing during those years they said. Given the rebuild started in 2013, 10 years is looking about right.

 

[rimshot]

This is very untrue. They kept trying to compete and make the playoffs, signed bad vets, traded picks to get players, essentially did what Vancouver has done under Benning, and then finally committed to a rebuild plan under Shanahan that has been executed to perfection.

After languishing in the 13/14 season of being a not good but not bad team, they brought in Shanahan and committed fully to a traditional rebuild, were awful for back to back years and then showed massive improvements in the following two seasons, and will likely improve again this year with the addition of JT.

They brought Shanahan in and he observed the team for nearly a whole season and then came to the decision that the whole thing had to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt. This is what the Canucks need to do. Horvat is Kadri and there may well be a great young goalie in Demko to keep with Petersson and Dahlin but the rest must be replaced and quickly...Gudbranson? Del Zotto?etc...terminate with extreme prejudice. Bring in a Komarov type(Beagle) and do not be afraid to trade anyone of the old guard for an upgrade. If Benning can't or won't do it hire someone who can

 

[Cupless44]

If Virtanen is deployed on the fourth line he won’t succeed anyways so who even cares?
We signed three 4th liners so they will have zero impact on JV

Wow. Yeah who cares if our 6th overall draft pick gets ice time and develops into a player.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

You don't know the ceiling of 20-23 year olds in Utica. We do know the ceiling of a 33 year old journeymen 7 goal scoring 4th line player who got this contract simply because his team went on a cup run.

So then he wins a spot over Leipsic or someone else?
I don’t get the logic. We were arguably the worst team in the league last year and we’re worried about bringing some of those guys back like they deserve it?

It was time to change the culture and it’s only begun.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Being bad for 10 years seems to be the latest Pro-Benning defense. 4 year contacts to plugs, it doesn't matter since we won't be competing during those years they said. Given the rebuild started in 2013, 10 years is looking about right.

What they don't realize is this team is going to be bad for 10 years regardless. The only problem is...if Benning somehow survives this and is still around after his current contract expires it'll be closer to 15 years at the bottom.

This COULD have been a relatively painless rebuild, where the Canucks could have been trending upwards by now. Instead, because of the moves Benning has made (that his supporters have enjoyed) this team is nowhere close.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Being bad for 10 years seems to be the latest Pro-Benning defense. 4 year contacts to plugs, it doesn't matter since we won't be competing during those years they said. Given the rebuild started in 2013, 10 years is looking about right.

So we will be on track with some of the best teams in the league then.
Sounds good to me I can’t wait to be near the top again.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Wow. Yeah who cares if our 6th overall draft pick gets ice time and develops into a player.

He’d be better off in Utica if he’s getting 7 min a night playing with fourth liners.
The three guys we just signed know their roles and are set in them.
We want none of our prospects to ever be content being fourth liner 7 min a game players.

 

[Cupless44]

If he is ready then you trade Beagle at the TDL for picks or prospects or you keep him in the minors one more year to "overcook" him like Detroit did with their Grand Rapids prospects...in a worse case scenario you trade him the year after that.

LOL Beagle"s contract is ummovable. That is the whole point here why people are upset and every hockey publication is ridiculing the Canucks. A rebuilding team signing short term, friendly veteran contracts that can be flipped when young players are ready makes sense. What the Canucks are doing makes no sense. They are clogging the pipeline with mediocre veterans on long term contracts that are untradable.

You think you can trade Eriksson or Gagner right now?

 

[rimshot]

You don't know the ceiling of 20-23 year olds in Utica. We do know the ceiling of a 33 year old journeymen 7 goal scoring 4th line player who got this contract simply because his team went on a cup run.

If you think Beagle's value is the 7 goals he scored and that being a significant player on a SC champion is a result of good luck, I am embarrassed for you.

 

[Cupless44]

So then he wins a spot over Leipsic or someone else?
I don’t get the logic. We were arguably the worst team in the league last year and we’re worried about bringing some of those guys back like they deserve it?

It was time to change the culture and it’s only begun.

You really cant see 2-3 years ahead can you when these term contracts are in the way?

 

[Cupless44]

He’d be better off in Utica if he’s getting 7 min a night playing with fourth liners.
The three guys we just signed know their roles and are set in them.
We want none of our prospects to ever be content being fourth liner 7 min a game players.

In this sorry group of forwards I would give Virtanen an extended look on the 2nd line, play him in overtime and on the 2nd line powerplay. What do you have to lose? Another bottom feeding finish? At worst Virtanen should be on the 3rd line. Led the team in hits by a mile and is the best skater by a mile.

 

[rimshot]

LOL Beagle"s contract is ummovable. That is the whole point here why people are upset and every hockey publication is ridiculing the Canucks. A rebuilding team signing short term, friendly veteran contracts that can be flipped when young players are ready makes sense. What the Canucks are doing makes no sense. They are clogging the pipeline with mediocre veterans on long term contracts that are untradable.

You think you can trade Eriksson or Gagner right now?

You could trade Beagle at the TDL no problem. Unmovable contract? Are you kidding me?There are very few unmovable contracts and this is not one of them. Even the much worse Komarov contract is not immovable. Teams need these types of players for the playoffs all the time...even the Habs moved Pleks for a second

 

[Cupless44]

If you think Beagle's value is the 7 goals he scored and that being a significant player on a SC champion is a result of good luck, I am embarrassed for you.

Beagle is a dime a dozen journeymen that didn't make the NHL until his mid 20's. He played well in a cup run and got noticed. All the previous years when the Capitals underachieved he was signed at low salary short term deals.

Edmonton signed Brodziak for 2 years at 1.2 million. The same player with better offence than Beagle.

Laughable that him and his 16 penalty minutes bring all this grit. He got knocked out in his only NHL fight ever.

 

[Cupless44]

You could trade Beagle at the TDL no problem. Unmovable contract? Are you kidding me?There are very few unmovable contracts and this is not one of them. Even the much worse Komarov contract is not immovable. Teams need these types of players for the playoffs all the time...even the Habs moved Pleks for a second

Seriously? Do you really watch trade deadlines? How many players with 3.5 years left of term are desired at the deadline?

Contenders want RENTALS for a cup run.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

You really cant see 2-3 years ahead can you when these term contracts are in the way?

Three years ahead? They signed for 4 years lol. Edler and Ericsson will be off the books by then and the guys we signed will eat up about 3% of the cap and easily tradable to a contender as these types are the type you win with.
Tanev, Edler, Eriksson, Gudbranson and Sutter all gone and probably traded for assets as we will not be competing for the cup in 3 years.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Beagle is a dime a dozen journeymen that didn't make the NHL until his mid 20's. He played well in a cup run and got noticed. All the previous years when the Capitals underachieved he was signed at low salary short term deals.

Edmonton signed Brodziak for 2 years at 1.2 million. The same player with better offence than Beagle.

Laughable that him and his 16 penalty minutes bring all this grit. He got knocked out in his only NHL fight ever.

Why were 10+ teams in on him then?

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

In this sorry group of forwards I would give Virtanen an extended look on the 2nd line, play him in overtime and on the 2nd line powerplay. What do you have to lose? Another bottom feeding finish? At worst Virtanen should be on the 3rd line. Led the team in hits by a mile and is the best skater by a mile.

What I was saying

 

[Cupless44]

Why were 10+ teams in on him then?

Probably 9 of them offered 2 mil for 2 years. Only one offered 4 years and NTC.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Probably 9 of them offered 2 mil for 2 years. Only one offered 4 years and NTC.

So 3 million with one year left is untradeable?
What if he ups his value?

 

[timw33]

And now that Sedins are gone so will we.
The two classiest players to ever put on our Jersey was shown respect and we tried to ice a team around them.
We now are going after 4th liners with nearly 26+ million in cap space this year.

The rebuild is finally here and I’m just as excited as the next guy.

Ah yes, and the man who led this team to be the statistically worst NHL team over the last 3 years while trying to compete around the Sedins is at the helm of the rebuild (IMO you aren't rebuilding when you go into multiple drafts with 5 or 6 picks). Really inspires tons of confidence.

 

[TeddyBare]

This offseason confirmed that every single Agent in the NHL thinks of Benning as a mark they can can exploit.

They can bluff his a$$ easier than 123 into thinking other teams are offering the same amount when they aren't.

Other teams were offering beagle the same amount....... Give me a break.

 

[Fire Benning]

Contract details aside, it's true that both Beagle and Roussel do add elements to the team that weren't overly present before. Beagle is a blue collar type guy and Roussel brings some sandpaper to the table.

That said, are either of them really going to change the identity of the team? Neither of them are going to be top players on the team, those are the ones who generally define the identity of the team, the ones who play the most and who the opponents see the most of.

Are either of these guys really going to intimidate the opposition?

 

[rimshot]

Seriously? Do you really watch trade deadlines? How many players with 3.5 years left of term are desired at the deadline?

Contenders want RENTALS for a cup run.

Well, why would they trade him so quickly. The point of signing him in the first place is to stabilize your PK and taking key face-offs until your young players can learn how to do that in the NHL. After a few years, you can move him easy. You might have to take back a bit of term and salary from a reclamation project but then again we won't be needing to worry about fitting under the cap as the next years draft players will still be on ELCs let alone this and last years. This is not Lucic or Price or Weber that you are trying to move.

 

[timw33]

you can move him easy

They couldn't even move a 55 point Vanek on an expiring deal for a mid-round pick.

And this bears repeating, contenders want expiring rentals, not guys with term–most contenders are cap strapped and have to deal with future years tagging rule.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Ah yes, and the man who led this team to be the statistically worst NHL team over the last 3 years while trying to compete around the Sedins is at the helm of the rebuild (IMO you aren't rebuilding when you go into multiple drafts with 5 or 6 picks). Really inspires tons of confidence.

Yes we were trying to squeeze the last bit out of the twins and insulate them.
Louie Eriksson would not be here either and Edler would have probably waived his NTC.
The Twins are gone now and this is the true rebuild.
When’s the last time we didn’t spend to the cap?