OT: 2018 Football Thread II: Everyone sucks!!!!!!
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Hunter Gathers
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I personally think it's almost impossible to lead on a dumpster fire of a team with zero leadership coming from management or ownership. How do you lead with a clown like Gettleman and his awful signings and such? How do you deal with Mara caving to the Eli fanboys last year? There's zero leadership from anyone allegedly accountable at the top. That's going to trickle down. And you have a guy like Beckham who is ultra-emotional and clearly trying to lead and fire his team up, but there's no one there to either stand with him or help him.
The entire team is a disgrace and we are going to see the prime years of Beckham and Barkley wasted.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
i mean...i wouldnt hate it, if a top qb just wasnt there. we'd obviously have to trade for a qb somehow. maybe winston becomes available. eli cannot be on this team next year though. have some dignity and retire dude, ur just embarassing yourself out there. you look like a confused rookie without the 22 year old arm talent.
Hunter Gathers
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Are you saying that both Shurmur and Beckham are lying? It was confirmed that he had one against the Saints as well (he left the sideline early then, too, but there were not cameras on him to create rampant speculation).
What evidence do you have to the contrary?
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Bob Richards
Mr. Mojo Risin'
Odell’s sideline passion gets so much camera time because the average Giants offensive drive lasts 1 minute and 25 seconds
There are other less-talented but still really good guys I'd take before OBJ. Like a DeAndre Hopkins or Michael Thomas or something. I've said before, OBJ is phenomenal, but it just always seems like there's something going on with him. Winning or losing it seems like there's always some chatter about something he did or said separate from his on-field production. I think it was a couple years ago I said it, and yet it still feels true. Just me, though.
Hunter Gathers
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99% of this is the NY media focus. Plain and simple. If he was on Jacksonville, 3/4 of the shit wouldn't get a peep. The IV thing yesterday wouldn't have been blown out of proportion, at a minimum.
I don't live in NY, and I don't pay attention to the NY media (unless it's to read a story about the Rangers or maybe the Jets). So, just like @klingsor said to you, it's got nothing to do with the NY media. I just have an idea of how players should handle themselves in team sports, and I don't really think OBJ fits the bill for me. Again, just my preference.
Hunter Gathers
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That has nothing to do with the overall scenario. Being that he plays in NY, and most sports media throughout the US is based out of or runs heavily on NY sports, it's amplified to 11. Your preference is yoru own and that's fine, but we have to be able to admit that everything is hyper-analyzed by him from ESPN down to the NY Post due to where he plays and who he plays for.
Solely my opinion: If it was urgent I'd have expected him to be accompanied by medical staff. If it wasn't urgent he could have stayed for the additional play.
Do you really think superstars on other teams don't get the same scrutiny? OBJ isn't the first player to get headlines for leaving the sidelines early.
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Hunter Gathers
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Why? I've seen plenty of players walk off on their own for IVs over the years. It's really not at all uncommon.
Absolutely I do. I think that the media is hyper-focused on him. Especially being that he's a young, black, flashy superstar. I don't want to discuss race-in-sports, here, but I find that certain players get certain treatment.
silverfish
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Let's not make the same mistake we made last year. This season is toast. We have to see what we have in Lauletta. We have to see if we need to draft a QB this year or not. Turn the team over to OBJ, Saquon, Landon, Shep, Engram. Would love to include Snacks and Vernon in this 'new core', but their ages are not ideal - which is hilariously upsetting to say about a guy younger than basically the same age as me (Vernon).
I'd really love to be able to go o-line in the first round of the 2019 draft. Greg Little round 1. Khalil Hodge round 2
I'd really love to be able to go o-line in the first round of the 2019 draft. Greg Little round 1. Khalil Hodge round 2
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If you're cramping I don't expect you to be jogging off the field unsupervised. Just my uneducated opinion. He seemed upset and this is right after he was fined for his comments last week. I can't say they're connected but I really don't believe much of what I'm hearing from the Giants these days.
Dex Bryant, Antonio Brown,TO, Randy Moss, Gronk, "Ocho Cinco"etc. Big time WRs (and 1 TE) seem like the most mercurial personalities in sports (outside maybe the NBA) and their every shenanigan seems to get widely reported.
I mean, yeah, it's amplified. Like the leaving the field early thing probably is a tiny blip on the radar for a lot of other guys. But, you can't pretend as if a lot of the attention OBJ receives isn't from his own doing. The stuff with Norman. The Miami trip. Punching a hole in the locker room wall. Getting punched back by a kicking net. The video in bed. The bizarre interview with Lil Wayne, of all people, at his side. That's all attention he has brought upon himself, and of course, with stardom comes increased scrutiny.
Now look, I'm not interested in debating the importance of any of those things I just listed--some matter, some don't. The point is, to me, I prefer players who don't draw so much attention to themselves through things other than being f***ing great and maybe doing stupid touchdown dances. All that other stuff, the self-inflicted (or intentionally sought) nonsense, I don't want it. I'm cool with him on my fantasy team, but I'd go a few other ways in real life. Not that I wouldn't take him. Just not as my #1 choice.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Both Aaron Rodgers and Brady throw shit and yell at their coaches and teammates and both have won. Not sure that matters much at all.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
QB is a much more important position than WR. You don't need an elite WR to win in the NFL particularly when that player becomes a distraction.
Can't judge individuals just on rings. AB is 1st team All Pro the last 4 years and at least has a SB appearance.
Bob Richards
Mr. Mojo Risin'
TO is a hall of famer. But most people only seem to know him due to his various off field issues despite playing in SF, Philly, Buffalo, Dallas and Cinci.
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