2018-19 Stanley Cup Playoffs part III: Final 4

[Raccoon Jesus]

And it shouldn't be. A hand pass is an incredibly obvious play. You shouldn't need review to catch that; you should need one of four on ice officials to have their shit together.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You guys remember when Corey Perry was awarded with an undeserving penalty shot, after he had played the puck with a broken stick (which in itself should have been a minor penalty against Corey Perry). Anyhow, the Kings destroyed the Ducks, so the Kings dodged what could have been a controversial call, because at that point in the game, it was 2-0 Kings.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[BringTheReign]

You guys remember when Corey Perry was awarded with an undeserving penalty shot, after he had played the puck with a broken stick (which in itself should have been a minor penalty against Corey Perry). Anyhow, the Kings destroyed the Ducks, so the Kings dodged what could have been a controversial call, because at that point in the game, it was 2-0 Kings.

I do remember that, but my favorite memory of that game was Jeff Carter man-handling, or man-"hampusing," Hampus Lindholm off the puck and scoring the 2nd goal. That's when I knew the Kings were just going to will their way to a win.

 

[3firstnames]

I still have faith in a full blown choke-a-thon for SJ. The fact that it looks like it may come in the SC Final actually makes it all that more tasty.

Imagine the heartbreak SJ fans will feel as the Bruins win the cup (gross). The sheer disappointment that will sink in. Rask has been a force. For me, it's actually better this way. To have sharks fans be SO CLOSE...and still fail.

 

[kovacro]

Vince Dunn leaving the game lastnight could be huge. It didn't look to good so if he misses extended time, the Blues will be hurting on the back end.

He's been good in the playoffs and has had a solid year overall.

 

[fsanford]

Olbermann is an idiot (as usual).The NHL has fallen behind because the NBA because of officiating and lack of control by the commish?

Does Keith not remember the 2002 WCF in the NBA? I mean it was only the most blatant case of officials deciding the result of a game/series in NA sports in any of our lifetimes. Rogue officials and/or the league itself literally took a title from one team and handed it to another.

I also do find it funny how certain Rams fans refused to blame the refs in the NFL for screwing over the Saints but are all over this. I guess the stupid cliches like “they still had a chance in OT” or “don’t put it in the refs hands” only applies when it benefits a team you like.

It’s unfortunate what happened to the Saints, Knights and now Blues but atleast it will hopefully bring about the changes needed. The NFL has already come to it’s senses and hopefully the NHL does as well. Insane that in 2019 plays like these still happen.

I dunno Herby

So I brought this up on the main board, it is a slippery slope with all this review stuff

What happens if there was a high stick that was missed and guy is down and minute later a goal is scored official review? I mean it gave a team a 5 on 4 advantage.
Slash missed, guy drops his stick or it is broken, call is missed, guy cannot retrieve a new stick and other teams scores 30 seconds later does it go to review?
Or team keeps it in the zone, for longer eventually scoring,?
Interference at the front of the net, not on goalie but on a defensemen trying to play his position, goal is scored official review?

Will there be a time limit on how far they can go back? For offside you can go back whatever time is needed once the puck enters the zone.



Etc, etc etc..

The sport was better officiated and more fun to watch when there were no reviews.

Go back to when the refs names were on their back, maybe that made them more accountable.

 

[Reaper45]

Some of these kids never watched hockey with a 1 ref system and it shows.

 

[kovacro]

Some of these kids never watched hockey with a 1 ref system and it shows.

Jeebus, it's been about 20 years since they went to the 2-referee system. Time flies.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Some of these kids never watched hockey with a 1 ref system and it shows.

"missed calls" was a hockey hallmark

but also you had to toughen up because you were getting smoked behind the play, yet no instigator meant the players truly policed themselves. There was danger out there, so there was more respect. No one was going to save you if you were being a douche. No helmets meant more mutual respect between the players, too. You weren't invincible and protected by 30 pounds of gear and four sets of stripes and instigator penalties.

 

[Herby]

I dunno Herby

So I brought this up on the main board, it is a slippery slope with all this review stuff

What happens if there was a high stick that was missed and guy is down and minute later a goal is scored official review? I mean it gave a team a 5 on 4 advantage.
Slash missed, guy drops his stick or it is broken, call is missed, guy cannot retrieve a new stick and other teams scores 30 seconds later does it go to review?
Or team keeps it in the zone, for longer eventually scoring,?
Interference at the front of the net, not on goalie but on a defensemen trying to play his position, goal is scored official review?

Will there be a time limit on how far they can go back? For offside you can go back whatever time is needed once the puck enters the zone.



Etc, etc etc..

The sport was better officiated and more fun to watch when there were no reviews.

Go back to when the refs names were on their back, maybe that made them more accountable.

That is an element that is certainly there. I mean there are crosschecks (by definition in rule book) in front of the net on every play. In baseball there used to be the neighborhood play turning two, and video challenges have eliminated that. I'm ok with going back to no reviews and just saying it's part of the game. But if you're going to review offsides or whether a puck was scored with a high stick then you should just review all scoring plays, like the NFL does.

And to make it easier I'd allow any kicked goals or goals off the hand to stand. You can kick the puck to pass, you can kick the puck to defend but you can't kick the puck to score? Plus it would also eliminate the stupid "distinct kicking motion" crap that we see in reviews now.

 

[BigKing]

You guys remember when Corey Perry was awarded with an undeserving penalty shot, after he had played the puck with a broken stick (which in itself should have been a minor penalty against Corey Perry). Anyhow, the Kings destroyed the Ducks, so the Kings dodged what could have been a controversial call, because at that point in the game, it was 2-0 Kings.

Being at Game 1 and 7 of that series will be memories never forgotten until I'm at a point that I'm forgetting all of my memories.

Game 7 is the top Kings moment in the Ducks rivalry. Smoked them in their building and it was Selanne's last game to top it off.

 

[YP44]

probably poor timing to be asking this, but the NHL is always trying to find ways to increase offense. Why not allow hand passes? As long as players do not close their hands on the puck why not allow it?

It is BS that that goal was allowed to stand, but like Hull in the crease. Why not change the rule not the way it is reviewed?

 

[KingsFan7824]

"missed calls" was a hockey hallmark

but also you had to toughen up because you were getting smoked behind the play, yet no instigator meant the players truly policed themselves. There was danger out there, so there was more respect. No one was going to save you if you were being a *****e. No helmets meant more mutual respect between the players, too. You weren't invincible and protected by 30 pounds of gear and four sets of stripes and instigator penalties.

Might depend on how you define respect. If there was a lot of respect going on out there, a 2nd ref wouldn't have been needed. Are you saying there weren't assholes all across the league back in the day? Nobody took a liberty, because nobody was there to save them?

 

[DoktorJeep]

probably poor timing to be asking this, but the NHL is always trying to find ways to increase offense. Why not allow hand passes? As long as players do not close their hands on the puck why not allow it?

It is BS that that goal was allowed to stand, but like Hull in the crease. Why not change the rule not the way it is reviewed?

Why not just let them score goals by punching the puck into the net. Now players will start wearing giant gloves and start working out with speed bags.

We can have a new award called the Timo Meier hat trick, given to any player who gets into a fight, scores an assist with a hand pass and pots a goal with their fist.

Jesus, why stop at sticks? Let’s give players the option to play with nunchucks and increase scoring via mixed martial arts techniques.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That is an element that is certainly there. I mean there are crosschecks (by definition in rule book) in front of the net on every play. In baseball there used to be the neighborhood play turning two, and video challenges have eliminated that. I'm ok with going back to no reviews and just saying it's part of the game. But if you're going to review offsides or whether a puck was scored with a high stick then you should just review all scoring plays, like the NFL does.

And to make it easier I'd allow any kicked goals or goals off the hand to stand. You can kick the puck to pass, you can kick the puck to defend but you can't kick the puck to score? Plus it would also eliminate the stupid "distinct kicking motion" crap that we see in reviews now.

I totally see what you're saying and I think making things black-and-white would reduce a lot of noise. But allowing kick goals means you're going to have a lot of skates kicking at goalie gloves and whoever else is laying down near the crease. Hell if you establish body position you could neutralize a defender's stick and a kick would be the better play but it's just so god damn dangerous with knives on your boot. With the current hand pass rules pucks into the air are an exception, but if you could play everything with your hand, i smell a bunch of alley-oop/juggling plays that would just cause more issues than it solves. I don't mind those rules the way they are--but I'm 100% with you on the scoring plays.

Might depend on how you define respect. If there was a lot of respect going on out there, a 2nd ref wouldn't have been needed. Are you saying there weren't *******s all across the league back in the day? Nobody took a liberty, because nobody was there to save them?

That's fair. We did have the Beukeboom sucker punch, just as one example. Guys definitely took liberties, but Fleury and Ciccarrelli would stand in there with whoever asked, as opposed to Matthew Tkachuk spearing people out of play then hiding behind 5 teammates and 4 refs.

 

[KINGS17]

Some of these kids never watched hockey with a 1 ref system and it shows.

I don't want every missed call involving a trip, slash, crosscheck, etc. reviewed. However, when a hand pass, stick above the shoulder occurs that is a pass to a teammate which leads directly to a goal isn't called, then I want that overturned by review.

Another example, it was ridiculous the Kings lost the game in Detroit several years ago when the puck hit the netting behind the Kings goal and ended up in the net. That play should have been reviewed.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I don't want every missed call involving a trip, slash, crosscheck, etc. reviewed. However, when a hand pass, stick above the shoulder occurs that is a pass to a teammate which leads directly to a goal isn't called, then I want that overturned by review.

Another example, it was ridiculous the Kings lost the game in Detroit several years ago when the puck hit the netting behind the Kings goal and ended up in the net. That play should have been reviewed.

They ended up amending the rules to allow for that to be reviewed precisely because of that game, iirc.

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

As much as I hate the Sharks, all the outrage over their path to the SCF supposedly being rigged is pathetic. Especially the mainboard thread about a Sharks Cup win deserving an asterisk...just no.

They got 2 very questionable calls go their way in game 7s against the Knights and Avs and obviously the winning goal being upheld yesterday was inexcusable but other than that why moan about the Sharks being "handed the Cup by the league"? They're not responsible for the refs ****ing up.

 

[BigKing]

I totally see what you're saying and I think making things black-and-white would reduce a lot of noise. But allowing kick goals means you're going to have a lot of skates kicking at goalie gloves and whoever else is laying down near the crease. Hell if you establish body position you could neutralize a defender's stick and a kick would be the better play but it's just so god damn dangerous with knives on your boot. With the current hand pass rules pucks into the air are an exception, but if you could play everything with your hand, i smell a bunch of alley-oop/juggling plays that would just cause more issues than it solves. I don't mind those rules the way they are--but I'm 100% with you on the scoring plays.




That's fair. We did have the Beukeboom sucker punch, just as one example. Guys definitely took liberties, but Fleury and Ciccarrelli would stand in there with whoever asked, as opposed to Matthew Tkachuk spearing people out of play then hiding behind 5 teammates and 4 refs.

I'm all for the one ref system and a return to 90's-era physicality, but Dino did get arrested for a stick attack and Fleury was dirty as well so it wasn't like they didn't play with the stick work and sucker punches. They couldn't hide like today though because players were allowed to just attack someone and not get 10 games for it, plus Dino made a living in front of the net and you used to have to be a real man's man to go to that area since there was no rule book applied to the front of the net.

If Dino played today, he would be Matthew Tkachuk. Hell, if Keith Tkachuk played today he would be Matthew Tkachuk.

Fleury would be Brad Marchand.

 

[kingsholygrail]

As much as I hate the Sharks, all the outrage over their path to the SCF supposedly being rigged is pathetic. Especially the mainboard thread about a Sharks Cup win deserving an asterisk...just no.

They got 2 very questionable calls go their way in game 7s against the Knights and Avs and obviously the winning goal being upheld yesterday was inexcusable but other than that why moan about the Sharks being "handed the Cup by the league"? They're not responsible for the refs ****ing up.

It's not rigged. They're just getting an infuriating amount of favorable bad calls and they've been at points in the game where they end up deciding outcomes. Not gonna change that they're up 2-1 in the WCF though.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Being at Game 1 and 7 of that series will be memories never forgotten until I'm at a point that I'm forgetting all of my memories.

Game 7 is the top Kings moment in the Ducks rivalry. Smoked them in their building and it was Selanne's last game to top it off.

And they both sounded like home games for the Kings. Must've been nice for the Kings players. I also love the fact that Ducks fans abandoned their own building and didn't stand to witness Selanne give a farewell salute to those supposed home team fans.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

But to be fair



I've never had beef with those guys. Just goes to emphasize the speed of the game is insane for refs right now. Frankly I think having review available takes away some of their agency. I'd rather they have all of that.

But counterpoint again, lol



The best of the best can't keep up so what's the solution?

 

[BigKing]

Great tweet.