Line Combos: 2018-19 Roster Thread - Perry who?

[Dirk316]

I love that Ritchie is tough but when you are a horrendous player (for nhl standards) that makes whoever you play with worse, I'll sacrifice the toughness for someone that is effective. Next year is a new season though so hopefully he decided to work on his quickness and explosiveness. Otherwise I dont see him playing much longer in the league.

Horrendous? He's 22 and already led all Ducks forwards by far in hits.
He can skate and has a good shot, sure he makes some mistakes like all young physical forwards but it's a joke to expect him to immediately be a young Perry.

 

[Dirk316]

man I fell for it and responded to a Dirk post. Dirk still thinks Boll is a top 9 skater even though no GM in the league does.

OH really? Top 9?

 

[Dirk316]

There would be nothing "small" about the right moves they'd need to make...especially if Kesler, Perry, and Eaves are not healthy and/or productive. Way too many question marks. Unless you are talking about contending for the 8th playoff position...then I might agree but even that I believe will elude them.

Kesler is the only one not healthy of the 3
Murray has had multiple seasons to address weaknesses that would have put the team over the top and has always failed. This season you can't deny this team is slow and softer than last season

 

[tomd]

Kesler is the only one not healthy of the 3
Murray has had multiple seasons to address weaknesses that would have put the team over the top and has always failed. This season you can't deny this team is slow and softer than last season

Regarding your first point...I said "healthy and/or productive" and one or both applies to each of the three I mentioned.

Regarding your second point...no argument about the past but I'm not worried about that anymore. I don't necessarily agree that the team is softer and slower but I'll give you the argument. But if you are right, doesn't that make you wonder how they are going to be one of the top 8 in the west?

 

[GermanRocket7]

I really wonder if these signings by Barstool might have an impact on young players and their willingness to sign with Anaheim. Effectively, Bob's latest dumpster-diving acquisitions screamed "We don't need our prospects anyway!", and in the past five-ish years we pretty much only saw Kase, Montour, and Ritchie being added to the roster permanently. That is subpar at best. We do have some good prospects, some might even be great like Larsson and Steel, but we just never give them a qualifying look. It's "a few games here, a few games there, no thank you, I'll sign a rock-bottom remainder veteran".

 

[bsu]

Boll is awful and retired let's never mention his name again.

 

[Paul4587]

I really wonder if these signings by Barstool might have an impact on young players and their willingness to sign with Anaheim. Effectively, Bob's latest dumpster-diving acquisitions screamed "We don't need our prospects anyway!", and in the past five-ish years we pretty much only saw Kase, Montour, and Ritchie being added to the roster permanently. That is subpar at best. We do have some good prospects, some might even be great like Larsson and Steel, but we just never give them a qualifying look. It's "a few games here, a few games there, no thank you, I'll sign a rock-bottom remainder veteran".

Manson, Lindholm and Rakell all came through in the past 5 years also. Hell we have had every single player we drafted in 2011 play in the NHL. Our drafting and development the past decade has been among the best in the league.

 

[Masch78]

Horrendous? He's 22 and already led all Ducks forwards by far in hits.
He can skate and has a good shot, sure he makes some mistakes like all young physical forwards but it's a joke to expect him to immediately be a young Perry.

I don't get the love for Duclair and the aversion against Ritchie. The way Ritchie plays and the type of player he is I would not judge him before he is 25 ;-) I do like his game, and honestly, 3 years ago Rakell was also in every trade proposal. We need more patience with the young players. Ritchie is a very good linemate for Kase imho. Give them a strong playmaking center (maybe Steel) and they will work out well.

 

[Dirk316]

I don't get the love for Duclair and the aversion against Ritchie. The way Ritchie plays and the type of player he is I would not judge him before he is 25 ;-) I do like his game, and honestly, 3 years ago Rakell was also in every trade proposal. We need more patience with the young players. Ritchie is a very good linemate for Kase imho. Give them a strong playmaking center (maybe Steel) and they will work out well.

If Steel makes the team and Kesler is out,that is exactly what will happen with Henrique moving to the second line.

 

[Masch78]

If Steel makes the team and Kesler is out,that is exactly what will happen with Henrique moving to the second line.

We will see. A lot can happen. Grant can still be resigned. Other players can win the roster spot over Steel. The rookie and trainig camp will show. I would not write off Kossila for that role, who I think would fit well between Kase and Ritchie.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Manson, Lindholm and Rakell all came through in the past 5 years also. Hell we have had every single player we drafted in 2011 play in the NHL. Our drafting and development the past decade has been among the best in the league.

Vatanen, Theodore, Palmieri, DSP, Silf, Wagner, Bonino, Maroon, Despres, Andersen, Gibson, just off the top of my head in the last five or so years. I'm sure there are more than that. The perception is insane.

All while carrying useless plugs, too. It'd be malpractice for BM not to sign enough players in the eventuality that we don't have enough young defensemen who are ready to fill the roster out of camp. The salaries suck, but whomever plays won't be Bieksa-bad nor Bieksa-expensive, so at least there's that.

 

[Masch78]

Looking at Colin Miller of LVK, that would be a deal I'd like to see Monty sign. Around 3.75m per year for 4-5 years.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Looking at Colin Miller of LVK, that would be a deal I'd like to see Monty sign. Around 3.75m per year for 4-5 years.

Its a very interesting comparable. Miller has a slightly bigger track record, had a better year and this buys two UFA years. At the very least it should keep an arbitration award lower.

Guessing the team won't want that four year term, not with Manson, Lindholm and Rakell also up that year. I'm hoping for five but guessing they settle on two.

 

[KyleJRM]

If you can't beat out these rock-bottom remainder FA signings for a roster spot, you don't deserve one.

 

[nbducksfan19]

If you can't beat out these rock-bottom remainder FA signings for a roster spot, you don't deserve one.

I want to believe this, but you have to remember we are dealing with a coach who felt that Boll had beaten out Kase...

 

[Trojans86]

If you can't beat out these rock-bottom remainder FA signings for a roster spot, you don't deserve one.

I agree and see those signings as an opportunity for the young guys to win a spot. if we went out and made a bigger signing that would send the message they're not ready. We also dont know the health status of some big pieces. without knowing how our young guys are going to do and the health of Kesler and eaves it is tough to make moves. I'd be we wait and see how those two things play out and how well the team is playing and then try to make a move during the season.

 

[Masch78]

I want to believe this, but you have to remember we are dealing with a coach who felt that Boll had beaten out Kase...

And Boll still played less games than Ondre. I think they handled Kase well. He wasn't physically ready two seasons ago. I still think he should beef up now.

With the players signed there are two rosterspots open over the season. I think we will see two rookies at the end of the year but not at the beginning. If the team signs a player like Ian Cole, the top 5 a fixed for at least 4 years.

 

[imjustzach]

I don't get the love for Duclair and the aversion against Ritchie. The way Ritchie plays and the type of player he is I would not judge him before he is 25 ;-) I do like his game, and honestly, 3 years ago Rakell was also in every trade proposal. We need more patience with the young players. Ritchie is a very good linemate for Kase imho. Give them a strong playmaking center (maybe Steel) and they will work out well.

I don't love Duclair but I'd much rather have 1yr/650k Duclair/Ennis over 3yr/3.4m Rowney .

As for Ritchie, personally I still have patience and hope for him. His hockey IQ isn't the greatest but he has definitely shown flashes of potential. I think if he works on his skating/positioning and discipline, his frame and release will make him a solid source of secondary scoring.

 

[AngelDuck]

Ritchie doesn’t cost anything for what he produces so I don’t see the issue.

 

[AngelDuck]

It will be interesting to see what Ritchie gets as an RFA. Knowing Murray, he'll probably get him for under $1.6M, which will be great for us next year.

 

[RakAttack]

I don't love Duclair but I'd much rather have 1yr/650k Duclair/Ennis over 3yr/3.4m Rowney .

As for Ritchie, personally I still have patience and hope for him. His hockey IQ isn't the greatest but he has definitely shown flashes of potential. I think if he works on his skating/positioning and discipline, his frame and release will make him a solid source of secondary scoring.

Isn’t 3.4mil the contract total? Thought the AAV is just over a million a season.

EDIT: looked it up and the AAV is 1.13m a season. I honestly don’t mind this, just a depth signing. Albeit, I would have preferred Duclair.

 

[imjustzach]

Isn’t 3.4mil the contract total? Thought the AAV is just over a million a season.

EDIT: looked it up and the AAV is 1.13m a season. I honestly don’t mind this, just a depth signing. Albeit, I would have preferred Duclair.

3.4 is the total. I probably should have been more clear w/ my phrasing. Still twice what Ennis/Duclair were paid with 2 extra years of commitment. I know these amounts of money are relatively inconsequential but it just bothers me that more proven players are getting paid half of what we're paying. Even if GMBM didn't want Ennis/Duclair, you would think he could have at least gotten who he did go after for the 1/650k tag.

 

[DavidBL]

3.4 is the total. I probably should have been more clear w/ my phrasing. Still twice what Ennis/Duclair were paid with 2 extra years of commitment. I know these amounts of money are relatively inconsequential but it just bothers me that more proven players are getting paid half of what we're paying. Even if GMBM didn't want Ennis/Duclair, you would think he could have at least gotten who he did go after for the 1/650k tag.

Yeah, neither of those players play on the PK though. Which I would imagine is the primary reason he was added. I would also suggest the term is there so that BM doesn't have to go look for a new player every year. If He does well like Grant did then starts demanding around 2 mill. If they're confident on what they think he will provide it makes more sense to lock up multiple years. This could also be a reason he got more on avg too because if he has a year like Grant then he is giving up that next bigger contract.

 

[imjustzach]

Yeah, neither of those players play on the PK though. Which I would imagine is the primary reason he was added. I would also suggest the term is there so that BM doesn't have to go look for a new player every year. If He does well like Grant did then starts demanding around 2 mill. If they're confident on what they think he will provide it makes more sense to lock up multiple years. This could also be a reason he got more on avg too because if he has a year like Grant then he is giving up that next bigger contract.

He absolutely could become a steal, I don't deny that. His ozs% is extremely low so his point production is obviously going to suffer because of that. That being said, it's still hard to imagine he would have had much leverage to ask for 1m+/yr or 3yr term, let alone both. This signing isn't a backbreaker nor am I trying to make it out to be one. It just seems strange that a player w/ almost no track record got the deal he did.

And as far as not having to look for a new player the next year, if a GM can't find a depth forward in FA, I can't imagine why he would still have a job. As such, I imagine that GMBM must see something he likes in Rowney that justified why he would give both term and AAV to a player like that.

Despite me wishing we had gotten Ennis/Duclair over Rowney, I'll trust GMBM. He's made some mistakes but for the most part, I think he's done pretty well. At least if this signing is a mistake (which obviously remains to be seen), it's a cheap one that shouldn't have a significant impact.

 

[tomd]

Rowney will be fine.

Ennis is done as an NHL player.

Duclair I suspect has some off-ice issues that have affected his game. Players of his age don't usually go downhill so quickly unless there are other issues at play. The fact that he signed a one-year minimum deal speaks volumes. Hopefully he gets his act together and can get a better contract for 19-20 but I can see why most teams (including the Ducks) stayed away.