2018-19 Roster Speculation Pt. 3: Started from the bottom now we're here

[sabremike]

We have a lot of players to extend in the coming years. I don’t think we’ll get 50 goals from Skinner in the future but 30-35. If he wants to play here I don’t think 7.5 is unreasonable. If we trade him for a 1st and still can bid for him kn summer I wouldn’t be upset.

After the next lockout amnesty buyouts are going to be handed out like molly at a Dead concert. It's literally the one thing that both the players and the owners want. And also NOBODY ANY MORE IS TRADING FIRST FOR RENTALS, PARTICULARLY THIS YEAR WITH POSSIBLY THE DEEPEST DRAFT EVER. Here's my prediction if he's not here next season: the team goes back to scoring a goal every 3 games and everyone wonders why everything went straight into the toilet. Teams that let their best players leave are the teams that end up losing lots of games.

 

[sabremike]

Skinner has never sniffed 50 goals before. I know he's on pace to hit it this year, but he's a pure goal scorer, and as pure goal scorers tend to do- he went on an incredible goal scoring streak early in the year. You can probably cherry pick a 15 game sample size through out his career and find some really nice goal totals that would have him on pace for 45+ goals.

He's been miserable the past 5 games, and he's slowed down a lot in the goal scoring department. Im not rushing to sign him to a long-term 9 million dollar contract. Let's wait and see how the year pans out.

Dont get me wrong. I like the kid. I love his attitude, and want him to continue to succeed, but I dont think he's worth 9 million dollars a year. Hopefully he proves me wrong, and continues to light up the score sheet. Hopefully... he's just in a bit of a funk, and he'll go back to being a dog hound on the puck, but as of today his play is jekyll and hyde. The only thing that's been consistent in his game is his goal scoring, and even that's been tapering off.

Can you point me to any second of his entire career where he played with anyone in the same zip code talent wise as Jack?

 

[Dubi Doo]

Can you point me to any second of his entire career where he played with anyone in the same zip code talent wise as Jack?

Never, which is why I'm in the wait and see boat. If he continues to tear it up, then it'd be tough not sign him to a lucrative deal.

 

[Djp]

After the next lockout amnesty buyouts are going to be handed out like molly at a Dead concert. It's literally the one thing that both the players and the owners want. And also NOBODY ANY MORE IS TRADING FIRST FOR RENTALS, PARTICULARLY THIS YEAR WITH POSSIBLY THE DEEPEST DRAFT EVER. Here's my prediction if he's not here next season: the team goes back to scoring a goal every 3 games and everyone wonders why everything went straight into the toilet. Teams that let their best players leave are the teams that end up losing lots of games.

Teams will still trade 1sts fir rentals but these woukd be for very good pkayers or in conditions such as resigning ir making the cup semis.

If buffalo trades a 1st thus season it will be theirs in 20 draft. There is no certainty of getting a 1st thus year from SJ/STL so they need to condition it to assure they have a 1st this year in the draft. If they trade a 1st it would be for a player who is younger now ( like 1+UFA at 25) or has 2+ if team control.

The trad could be the latest of the multiple 1sts this year or the 2nd highest 1st of the 3+ they have or trade their 1st as top 25 protected...if they don’t win division or make conference final the pick goes to 20.

 

[TehDoak]

Can you point me to any second of his entire career where he played with anyone in the same zip code talent wise as Jack?

Eric staal had some pretty strong seasons. Sure he’s not Eichel level....but it’s not like Skinner was playing with scrubs.

 

[sabrebuild]

On the topic of Pilut staying up, and the defensemen log jam.

Is the obvious move waiving Hunwick? Not just for the rehab stint, but just in general?

Worst case scenario is someone takes him, and we don’t have to worry about his cap anymore without a potential penalty for trying to trade him. And we are left with 8 legitimate nhl defenders, with Nelson and Blowyou as very capable bottom pair guys to cover injuries.

I like that worst case scenario.

Best case he doesn’t get picked up and Hunwick replaces Pilut in Rochester to give them an overtalented player on defense to help them for the rest of the year pending injuries. This probably requires booting a vet ahl player, and others would know if it would be a net negative.

Why would we not do this?

If this team is going to make the playoffs with its limitations at forward, they cannot afford to not ice their best 6 guys. This is a respectable playoff group,

Dahlin Bogo
Pilut Risto
McCabe Scandella

I mean are you kidding! Goddamn it I know Bogo will miss 40 games any time now, but that is best defense they have had in almost a decade. And next year, if Dahlin makes La Leap, we will have one of the best defensive groups in the league.

 

[sabrebuild]

Eric staal had some pretty strong seasons. Sure he’s not Eichel level....but it’s not like Skinner was playing with scrubs.

To this point in their careers, Eric Staal was a more productive player who had a similar enough level of prospect hype to make no difference with Eichel. He was the 2nd overall pick in one of the most loaded drafts in modern league history.

This idea that Skinner just never had the talented Center to let him be the 50 goal scorer he always was is very hopeful to me. The guy has never been within .2 of ppg, his best being .79 two years ago.

Now he is at ppg, and shooting well over double his career avg. Now I think Eichel is a tremendous offensive force and creates a ton of opportunity. But to bet on a historic anomaly, Skinner continuing on a long term contract to shoot 6-8% above his career average during his physical prime, that takes a lot of risk.

And again, if that is the argument, and we maintain the logic, then Eichel has to play with Skinner for years, even if say a younger cheaper option becomes available or just works his way through the system. Because what if Skinner playing with Mitts is just Carolina Skinner and he is only good for 30 goals, but you pay him like Eichel.

Pay guys for who they are, not for who they play with.

 

[CrazyPsycho]

Get frickin nylander up here

 

[sufferer]

Get frickin nylander up here

That was all Hunwick. Looks like we've found Dahlin's new partner.

 

[Aavvaa]

That was all Hunwick. Looks like we've found Dahlin's new partner.

Hunwick is doodoo I am very not looking forward to him being leaned on.

 

[1972]

Where did this Skinner getting Eichel money rumour come from? There’s not a chance in hell Botterill is coming close to Eichel money.

 

[dkollidas]

I don’t see how people are that nervous to give Skinner money. Pay the man. He’s shown obvious chemistry. He’s at a good age where is decline shouldn’t be too sharp. And his skill set (speed & shot) are two things that he will likely keep into his 30’s. Is he a 40goal defensively responsible juggernaut? Nope. But is he a very very good EVEN STRENGTH SCORING top line forward who gets into those dirty places in front of the net to finish Eichel’s fancy work? Absolutely.

So in essence, pay this man his money.

Your core in 2years is hopefully...
Up front:
Eichel
Skinner
Reinhart
Mittelstadt
1 of the 4 2019-2020 1st Round Picks

Back End:
Dahlin
Ristolainen
Pilut
Guhle or Borgen
1 of the 4 2019-2020 1st Round Picks.

Skinner should be a part of that group and help get this team into contender status.

 

[Yatzhee]

I don’t see how people are that nervous to give Skinner money. Pay the man. He’s shown obvious chemistry. He’s at a good age where is decline shouldn’t be too sharp. And his skill set (speed & shot) are two things that he will likely keep into his 30’s. Is he a 40goal defensively responsible juggernaut? Nope. But is he a very very good EVEN STRENGTH SCORING top line forward who gets into those dirty places in front of the net to finish Eichel’s fancy work? Absolutely.

So in essence, pay this man his money.

Your core in 2years is hopefully...
Up front:
Eichel
Skinner
Reinhart
Mittelstadt
1 of the 4 2019-2020 1st Round Picks

Back End:
Dahlin
Ristolainen
Pilut
Guhle or Borgen
1 of the 4 2019-2020 1st Round Picks.

Skinner should be a part of that group and help get this team into contender status.

First, speed is not a skill set players keep as they roll in to their 30's.
Mittlestadt has proven nothing. Your relying heavily on an unproven commodity.

 

[Jim Bob]

Skinner is tied for second in the NHL in goals and he in six and half months away from UFA.

The only hope I see for a long term contract that isn't massive is if he takes the best offer the Sabres offer up because things have gone well on top of all the reasons why he waived to accept the trade here in the first place.

But, I won't be surprised if he wants to maximize his next contract since it will be the last monster contract he gets, most likely.

 

[OkimLom]

I don’t see how people are that nervous to give Skinner money. Pay the man. He’s shown obvious chemistry. He’s at a good age where is decline shouldn’t be too sharp. And his skill set (speed & shot) are two things that he will likely keep into his 30’s. Is he a 40goal defensively responsible juggernaut? Nope. But is he a very very good EVEN STRENGTH SCORING top line forward who gets into those dirty places in front of the net to finish Eichel’s fancy work? Absolutely.

So in essence, pay this man his money.

Your core in 2years is hopefully...
Up front:
Eichel
Skinner
Reinhart
Mittelstadt
1 of the 4 2019-2020 1st Round Picks

Back End:
Dahlin
Ristolainen
Pilut
Guhle or Borgen
1 of the 4 2019-2020 1st Round Picks.

Skinner should be a part of that group and help get this team into contender status.

Skinner is not a guy you throw money at, with no care of cost, or in other words, "PAYING THE MAN".

The most he should be getting is $7.5 million per year. I'd personally sign him to a 7 or 8 year deal @ $7 million per but I'm flexible to go a little higher. It's a good enough jump and reflects similar costs to other young goal scorers who's next contract takes them into their 30's. It also leaves enough money to continue to investing into your own team.

Dahlin should be the next and at this point ONLY player that we say "pay the man".

 

[brian_griffin]

Overpaying... because 23% shooting percentage is sustainable.

$7.5 per, max., a 25% increase on the Okposo contract. Buyout KO with the new CBA.

 

[TehDoak]

If the rumors about the Blues are true (everyone is available)

I'm circling around Parayko like a vulture.

 

[Yatzhee]

If the rumors about the Blues are true (everyone is available)

I'm circling around Parayko like a vulture.

Yep

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

If the rumors about the Blues are true (everyone is available)

I'm circling around Parayko like a vulture.

With Pietrangelo set to become a high priced 30 year old UFA at the end of next season, I gotta think Parayko is one of the last guys they'd move without massive overpayment. But I agree GMs should still kick the tires.

 

[Goathead]

If the rumors about the Blues are true (everyone is available)

I'm circling around Parayko like a vulture.

As nice as it would be I don’t think we have the pieces to pry him out. What about Edmundson though? He’s in the same mold and had a great year last year. Don’t know how he looks this year though.

 

[old kummelweck]

The tweet yesterday about the sabres not being in the rental market come the deadline certainly is pretty good recon. They will only consider parting with first rounders for a young player under club control if that deal presents itself. We also know they want to keep this roster young.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

As nice as it would be I don’t think we have the pieces to pry him out. What about Edmundson though? He’s in the same mold and had a great year last year. Don’t know how he looks this year though.

Sobotka, Nelson, Ghule, SJ 1st :p

 

[1972]

Blues 1st
Thompson
Berglund
Sobodka

for

Parayko

 

[Fezzy126]

If the rumors about the Blues are true (everyone is available)

I'm circling around Parayko like a vulture.

This Sabres Defense is fine:
Dahlin-Bogo
Pilut/McCabe-Risto
Pilut/McCabe-Scandella
Beaulieu
Hunwick
Nelson

Unless Bogo is sent the other way, which I don't see happening. If anything, I'd try to swap a 3rd pairing LD for a RD.

However, if the rumors are in fact true I'd move a large package of assets for Schwartz.

 

[sabres4ever]

Blues 1st
Thompson
Berglund
Sobodka

for

Parayko

I laughed hard.