2018-19 Roster Speculation Pt. 3: Started from the bottom now we're here

[brian_griffin]

Blues 1st
Thompson
Berglund
Sobodka

for

Parayko

Who would be dumb enough to accept that type of package? I think you're out to lunch on this one.

You have an inconsistent prospect, an unknown for the 1st round pick, which I'm assuming would be a top 10 protected pick, and two bottom 6 players for all of 4 years of a player that fills an important role.

Santa doesnt ship spare parts

@OkimLom & @debaser66, when you dressed this morning, you forgot to wind your sarcasm meter.

[It's a poke back at the ROR trade.]

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Agreed on Parayko. He’s one of the few guys I would actually trade firsts for. I’d try realllllllllllllly hard not give up pilut in the deal though.

Dahlin Parayko
Pilut risto

Yeah, that’s incredible, young, big, mobile, offensive, defensive. That’s top tier.

I'd put that top 4 against any top 4 in the league, honestly.

 

[Chainshot]

How would anyone feel if they could improve the decision-making and durability of either Bogosian or McCabe and include either one in the deal to make that improvement?

 

[Gabrielor]

How would anyone feel if they could improve the decision-making and durability of either Bogosian or McCabe and include either one in the deal to make that improvement?

Speaking as pragmaticly as possible, it appears that bogo is a big deal in the locker room, and so I don’t have the heart to move him right now.

McCabe, on the other hand, while probably well liked, is movable, but not for cheap.

 

[sabrebuild]

How would anyone feel if they could improve the decision-making and durability of either Bogosian or McCabe and include either one in the deal to make that improvement?

Tony Stark? Is it you?

 

[Chainshot]

Speaking as pragmaticly as possible, it appears that bogo is a big deal in the locker room, and so I don’t have the heart to move him right now.

McCabe, on the other hand, while probably well liked, is movable, but not for cheap.

I keep seeing raw acquisition proposals - basically all picks and prospect deals - that instead might work better if the guy heading out is either of those two. Or even Scandella, though the vertigo/early season slump probably suppresses his value a little.

Firming up that top 4, finding someone who can finish off the wing (which may be an internal move), and a short-term improvement to the mid-line centers would be my Christmas shopping list for the Sabres.

 

[Gabrielor]

The vertigo was already debunked by him. He had a different issue.

 

[Chainshot]

The vertigo was already debunked by him. He had a different issue.

Missed that. Concussion? Hemorrhoids? What was it?

 

[dkollidas]

Bogo isn't a top pairing guy. Nor will he ever be.

IF he's actually available, you pay the premium for Parayko. I'd offer up 2x 1sts (including St Louis) and basically any prospect we have for him. We'd have to make the salary work, and that isn't an issue past this season.

I’d rather go after Trouba. He’s the more likely to be dealt anyways. If St. Louis is keeping one of their elite defenders, it’ll be Parayko. And I’m not paying top dollar or assets for Pieterangelo.

 

[Gabrielor]

Missed that. Concussion? Hemorrhoids? What was it?

Didn’t say, but he was quoted as saying it wasn’t vertigo, and he has no idea who reported that (I think it was sportsnet, go figure).

 

[Der Jaeger]

I'd rather make a couple smaller moves to get the Sabres ready for the playoffs.

Sobotka and a 2019 4th to the Pens for Brassard. Puts Brassard into the 2C position, eases the load on Mittelstadt, and moves Sobotka's contract a year early. No big deal is Brassard doesn't re-sign.

Rodrigues, Nelson, and 2021 3rd to Arizona for Fischer. Puts a big winger with a net front presence on the team.

 

[brian_griffin]

How would anyone feel if they could improve the decision-making and durability of either Bogosian or McCabe and include either one in the deal to make that improvement?

Speaking as pragmaticly as possible, it appears that bogo is a big deal in the locker room, and so I don’t have the heart to move him right now.

McCabe, on the other hand, while probably well liked, is movable, but not for cheap.

Bogo for Parayko is ideal from the view of being same-handed and salary-cap neutral, but may need to be a Bogo+ deal to make sense for St. Louis if they are truly looking to do anything other than change-of-scenery shake-ups. Further agree if BUF is moving an "A" out of the locker room, it won't be Bogo (please Santa, if you want to take KO you can).

McCabe and Parayko are essentially the same age.
My belief is whatever the difference (savings) between McCabe's next RFA deal this offseason and Parayko's $5.5 for 3 more years beyond this, is still smaller than the difference in Parayko's skill (& nastiness) relative to McCabe. McCabe for Parayko is cheap from BUF view. Parayko is the better value. Now, and in 3 years.

 

[Chainshot]

I'd rather make a couple smaller moves to get the Sabres ready for the playoffs.

Sobotka and a 2019 4th to the Pens for Brassard. Puts Brassard into the 2C position, eases the load on Mittelstadt, and moves Sobotka's contract a year early. No big deal is Brassard doesn't re-sign.

Rodrigues, Nelson, and 2021 3rd to Arizona for Fischer. Puts a big winger with a net front presence on the team.

Are the Pens a single season away from giving up a first on Brassard to sell him that low now? Sunk cost and all that, but that seems like a really low bid for his services, even if a Pens fan agreed to it.

 

[Fezzy126]

I keep seeing raw acquisition proposals - basically all picks and prospect deals - that instead might work better if the guy heading out is either of those two. Or even Scandella, though the vertigo/early season slump probably suppresses his value a little.

Firming up that top 4, finding someone who can finish off the wing (which may be an internal move), and a short-term improvement to the mid-line centers would be my Christmas shopping list for the Sabres.

I'm way more on the wing and mid-6 center improvement side of the house. While our defense isn't perfect by any means and certainly improvements can be made, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns relative to overall team improvement. Basically: we're not getting routinely hemmed in, we're not really prone to egregious breakdowns, and this group is able to successfully transition as well as contribute in the offensive zone.

What I really want is a guy that doesn't get beat to the middle of the ice in the d zone (Mitts on Kempe in the last game), and a couple guys that don't need to be reminded to get their ass to the crease in the O zone. This team is infinitely better than last year's team at getting dirty in the o zone, but they still go through stretches where it seems they're allergic to the other team's goalie.

 

[brian_griffin]

I keep seeing raw acquisition proposals - basically all picks and prospect deals - that instead might work better if the guy heading out is either of those two. Or even Scandella, though the vertigo/early season slump probably suppresses his value a little.

Firming up that top 4, finding someone who can finish off the wing (which may be an internal move), and a short-term improvement to the mid-line centers would be my Christmas shopping list for the Sabres.

don't know if you're prioritizing (you generally do), but I'd rearrange to: mid-line center, then the top-4, then the wing,

I’d rather go after Trouba. He’s the more likely to be dealt anyways. If St. Louis is keeping one of their elite defenders, it’ll be Parayko. And I’m not paying top dollar or assets for Pieterangelo.

I agree with that logic.
The Jets do seem to have some Cap pressure next season which will require some creativity.

In the cases of both Trouba and Parayko, however, it's not just about what is fair value for a BUF trade, but what incremental value must BUF offer to outbid 29 other teams.

I'd rather make a couple smaller moves to get the Sabres ready for the playoffs.

Sobotka and a 2019 4th to the Pens for Brassard. Puts Brassard into the 2C position, eases the load on Mittelstadt, and moves Sobotka's contract a year early. No big deal is Brassard doesn't re-sign.

Rodrigues, Nelson, and 2021 3rd to Arizona for Fischer. Puts a big winger with a net front presence on the team.

I like ERod's verstatility, so I'd solve the wing internally, but don't know that it addresses the net front presence in the short term. Thompson won't/shouldn't be the solution given his skill set, even if he does add 20 pounds. Not clear to me, though, that role is developing in Rochester outside of Malone. Seems like a "plan" needing more contingency, regardless of either of our views.

I'd do the Brassard deal.

 

[OkimLom]

@OkimLom & @debaser66, when you dressed this morning, you forgot to wind your sarcasm meter.

[It's a poke back at the ROR trade.]

Oh I'm aware, my post was more of tongue in cheek comment. As someone that used to post frequently about the trade, and knowing 1972's posting style at times, I knew it was sarcasm. Just playing along.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Are the Pens a single season away from giving up a first on Brassard to sell him that low now? Sunk cost and all that, but that seems like a really low bid for his services, even if a Pens fan agreed to it.

Their 3C needs more of what Sobotka brings: faceoffs, grit, defense (Bonino things). Brassard is 31 and a UFA. The ask won't be much.

 

[Der Jaeger]

don't know if you're prioritizing (you generally do), but I'd rearrange to: mid-line center, then the top-4, then the wing,

I agree with that logic.
The Jets do seem to have some Cap pressure next season which will require some creativity.

In the cases of both Trouba and Parayko, however, it's not just about what is fair value for a BUF trade, but what incremental value must BUF offer to outbid 29 other teams.

I like ERod's verstatility, so I'd solve the wing internally, but don't know that it addresses the net front presence in the short term. Thompson won't/shouldn't be the solution given his skill set, even if he does add 20 pounds. Not clear to me, though, that role is developing in Rochester outside of Malone. Seems like a "plan" needing more contingency, regardless of either of our views.

I'd do the Brassard deal.

I think a big winger who can create net front havoc would be a good fit for Skinner and Eichel. Fischer's hockey IQ is high and he'd be a good fit.

 

[Chainshot]

Didn't someone mention Ferland the other day? I'd like to see them get more of a body banger as well DJ, wonder if he's available.

 

[Gabrielor]

• Didn't someone mention Ferland the other day? I'd like to see them get more of a body banger as well DJ, wonder if he's available.

I’m super willing to trade and retain salary on dj whatever his name is. Id do that deal today. Dj milk I think?

 

[GellMann]

Bogo for Parayko is ideal from the view of being same-handed and salary-cap neutral, but may need to be a Bogo+ deal to make sense for St. Louis if they are truly looking to do anything other than change-of-scenery shake-ups. Further agree if BUF is moving an "A" out of the locker room, it won't be Bogo (please Santa, if you want to take KO you can).

McCabe and Parayko are essentially the same age.
My belief is whatever the difference (savings) between McCabe's next RFA deal this offseason and Parayko's $5.5 for 3 more years beyond this, is still smaller than the difference in Parayko's skill (& nastiness) relative to McCabe. McCabe for Parayko is cheap from BUF view. Parayko is the better value. Now, and in 3 years.

Bogo may need a plus added to him to get Colton freaking Parayko?

Plus Reinhart, Mitts, and Pilut, maybe

 

[Gabrielor]

Bogo may need a plus added to him to get Colton freaking Parayko?

Plus Reinhart, Mitts, and Pilut, maybe

Add? Sure, but that reply is hyperbole. Parayko would be a big fish, but that’s a doughty return

 

[GellMann]

Add? Sure, but that reply is hyperbole. Parayko would be a big fish, but that’s a doughty return

Yes it's hyperbole, I'm replying to a Bogosian for Parayko, "maybe" we have to add something post

 

[nickdawg95]

Sit these bums call up Oloff and Nylander, I'm going nuts

Skins-eichel-Reinhart
Nylander-mittlestadt-oloffson (terrible defensively idgaf)
Thompson-Girgenson-Okposo
Berglund-Larson-Erod

SObotka Pominvile

 

[UnleashRasmus]

I'd rather make a couple smaller moves to get the Sabres ready for the playoffs.

Sobotka and a 2019 4th to the Pens for Brassard. Puts Brassard into the 2C position, eases the load on Mittelstadt, and moves Sobotka's contract a year early. No big deal is Brassard doesn't re-sign.

Rodrigues, Nelson, and 2021 3rd to Arizona for Fischer. Puts a big winger with a net front presence on the team.

If the Pens are up for giving up Brassard for a 4th and Sobotka, sign me up for that. That's the type of C we need. Berglund can take a role in the bottom six. I'd prefer Berglund, and 4th, plus _____ for Brassard. I love the Fischer trade idea, however I don't really see it as that appealing for Arizona.