Prospect Info: 2018/19 Marlies & Prospects Thread Part VI

[Boutette]

Agostino is a quad A player.

Moore would get top 6 time before him.

Which is why I can see Agostino on the 3rd or 4th line to start the season. Might have an outside chance of filling in for Hyman if Babcock likes the cut of his jib (not completely unlikely knowing Babcock).

 

[justafan22]

Which is why I can see Agostino on the 3rd or 4th line to start the season. Might have an outside chance of filling in for Hyman if Babcock likes the cut of his jib (not completely unlikely knowing Babcock).

Petan/Mikehevy

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Chiefs Sign Russian Defenseman Matvei Startsev – Spokane Chiefs

They now have 3 Import players. Parik was a 3rd round pick by LA so if he signed with them, he's playing. Startsev could just be waived if they decide to keep Kral, but I think given he has the double card (OA and Import), he'll be looking for a new team. A WHL contender will likely pay a pick to trade for him, but he could also just head back to Czechia for next year and hopefully come in after that.

 

[Boutette]

Petan/Mikehevy

Which if these two guys actually hit at all? My first guess would be neither.

 

[Duke16]

Chiefs Sign Russian Defenseman Matvei Startsev – Spokane Chiefs

They now have 3 Import players. Parik was a 3rd round pick by LA so if he signed with them, he's playing. Startsev could just be waived if they decide to keep Kral, but I think given he has the double card (OA and Import), he'll be looking for a new team. A WHL contender will likely pay a pick to trade for him, but he could also just head back to Czechia for next year and hopefully come in after that.

This is a good scoop. I think he could handle himself with the Growlers, but the Czech league might be likely. I kind of don't expect him back in the WHL as an OA given that he should have some better options and really doesn't have that much to prove.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

This is a good scoop. I think he could handle himself with the Growlers, but the Czech league might be likely. I kind of don't expect him back in the WHL as an OA given that he should have some better options and really doesn't have that much to prove.

He is ready for the AHL IMO. It's just we don't have room for him, even on the Growlers. He may as well head home for better pay, playing time, and competition.

I think if other WHL teams can't get their own Imports to commit, someone in the WHL will trade for him. He's a top pairing quality defenseman who could easily go a PPG next year and would cost very little relatively to what he would bring to the team (i.e. it'd probably only cost a 3rd round pick to acquire). It costs two slots but that is something many teams would be fine to give up for a guy like Kral, especially when some teams can't get enough Imports to commit.

Spokane just has so many LD that it doesn't make sense. Startsev likely plays RD, which is a much bigger need. Parik plays in net, which was not a need but if he lives up to his potential then he's the type of guy who could lead Spokane to a Memorial Cup. Plus their incumbent was another OA so that gives them an OA spot to help shore up their offense or RD.

 

[stickty111]

He is ready for the AHL IMO. It's just we don't have room for him, even on the Growlers. He may as well head home for better pay, playing time, and competition.

I think if other WHL teams can't get their own Imports to commit, someone in the WHL will trade for him. He's a top pairing quality defenseman who could easily go a PPG next year and would cost very little relatively to what he would bring to the team (i.e. it'd probably only cost a 3rd round pick to acquire). It costs two slots but that is something many teams would be fine to give up for a guy like Kral, especially when some teams can't get enough Imports to commit.

Spokane just has so many LD that it doesn't make sense. Startsev likely plays RD, which is a much bigger need. Parik plays in net, which was not a need but if he lives up to his potential then he's the type of guy who could lead Spokane to a Memorial Cup. Plus their incumbent was another OA so that gives them an OA spot to help shore up their offense or RD.

Yeah the Kral situation is interesting. We could sign him to an ELC, but I think that would happened by now if they were going to.
Biases aside, I would sign him and put him with the Growlers, but as you said there isn't room. Kral's point totals weren't good in the playoffs, but I heard he had a good season.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yeah the Kral situation is interesting. We could sign him to an ELC, but I think that would happened by now if they were going to.
Biases aside, I would sign him and put him with the Growlers, but as you said there isn't room. Kral's point totals weren't good in the playoffs, but I heard he had a good season.

He did, we just need to play him somewhere else for next year. Let him develop further. Then next year there are a ton of LD spots open up again, because Gravel and Marincin are UFA's, and Kivihalme/Borgman could easily be in the NHL.

 

[hector morrison]

Which is why I can see Agostino on the 3rd or 4th line to start the season. Might have an outside chance of filling in for Hyman if Babcock likes the cut of his jib (not completely unlikely knowing Babcock).

For sure it's a possibility...Babs won't risk putting anyone talented with JT and Marner,gotta keep that 2 stars and a plug system goin that has brought so much success the last 3 years.

 

[stickty111]

He did, we just need to play him somewhere else for next year. Let him develop further. Then next year there are a ton of LD spots open up again, because Gravel and Marincin are UFA's, and Kivihalme/Borgman could easily be in the NHL.

Another league might be the best option for him, and then he can come in and basically be a full time defenceman on the Marlies in 2020/2021.

 

[stickty111]

So nothing really is going on, so I thought I might describe Keefe's system in a very simplistic manner to anyone who doesn't watch the Marlies. I believe even if the record is solid, Dubas won't be afraid to fire Babcock if he believes they won't get past the 1st round, and he isn't happy with the play of the team.

Neutral zone
As the opposing player is surveying the options behind his net, F1 for the Marlies stands in front of the net, waiting for the player with the puck to make a play. F2 is at the centre ice line, while F3 is at his blueline.

Opposing player carrying puck out the zone
One forward chases the puck carrier. F2 stands inside the blueline tracking the puck carrier, while F3is near the centre ice line tracking the play. He then chases the player with the puck who is attacking the Marlies blueline.

Analysis
This type of alignment gives them aggressiveness, but also a solid safety net with the other forwards. It seems the Marlies play zone defence in the neutral zone.

Defensive zone
With the puck in the corners, the wingers are usually positioned near the top middle of the circles.

Analysis
I like this. It is much easier to cover the points if the puck gets there.

Powerplay
The Marlies runs through Bracco mostly, but it's not their only strategy. They use the points very well, and the group is constantly moving.

Penalty Kill
The Marlies have a very aggressive penalty kill and they force teams to make quick decisions.

This is pretty much what I have, but a few months ago, Scott Wheeler wrote a detailed piece on the differences between Keefe's system and Babcock's system.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So nothing really is going on, so I thought I might describe Keefe's system in a very simplistic manner to anyone who doesn't watch the Marlies. I believe even if the record is solid, Dubas won't be afraid to fire Babcock if he believes they won't get past the 1st round, and he isn't happy with the play of the team.

Neutral zone
As the opposing player is surveying the options behind his net, F1 for the Marlies stands in front of the net, waiting for the player with the puck to make a play. F2 is at the centre ice line, while F3 is at his blueline.

Opposing player carrying puck out the zone
One forward chases the puck carrier. F2 stands inside the blueline tracking the puck carrier, while F3is near the centre ice line tracking the play. He then chases the player with the puck who is attacking the Marlies blueline.

Analysis
This type of alignment gives them aggressiveness, but also a solid safety net with the other forwards. It seems the Marlies play zone defence in the neutral zone.

Defensive zone
With the puck in the corners, the wingers are usually positioned near the top middle of the circles.

Analysis
I like this. It is much easier to cover the points if the puck gets there.

Powerplay
The Marlies runs through Bracco mostly, but it's not their only strategy. They use the points very well, and the group is constantly moving.

Penalty Kill
The Marlies have a very aggressive penalty kill and they force teams to make quick decisions.

This is pretty much what I have, but a few months ago, Scott Wheeler wrote a detailed piece on the differences between Keefe's system and Babcock's system.

Even more simplistically:

It's Babcock system, except adaptation instead of insanity and consistent success instead of whatever you want to call what the Leafs' system achieves.

 

[Magic Man]

Yeah, Agostino is not making the Leafs barring a miracle.

Why?

I think he's a regular on the Leafs 4th line. Petan is essentially Xavier Laflamme, a minor league star. Shore and Gauthier can't match the offense he put up last year and they aren't even close to as physical. The team does need a few guys who will throw a body check, Agostino does. It remains a part of the game no matter how much Dubas denies it.

 

[stickty111]

Even more simplistically:

It's Babcock system, except adaptation instead of insanity and consistent success instead of whatever you want to call what the Leafs' system achieves.

Good point
Sadly, it's not like Keefe is doing anything revolutionary, he is just willing to make changes if something isn't working, and will actually give those changes some time. Unlike Babcock, where he will make a change and then goes back to the original plan.
Keefe also knows which players are good, and need to play.

 

[LaPlante94]

Good point
Sadly, it's not like Keefe is doing anything revolutionary, he is just willing to make changes if something isn't working, and will actually give those changes some time. Unlike Babcock, where he will make a change and then goes back to the original plan.
Keefe also knows which players are good, and need to play.

I agree that he's a good coach but I didn't like some of his lineup decisions during the playoffs. Guys like Duzsak and Hollowell deserved way more games than they got. Nothing major against him though. Gonna be the Leafs coach eventually unless Babcock leads us to a cup next year.

 

[LeafChief]

It will be interesting to see how the D are deployed this season. There are a lot of young players that need minutes.

If Liljegren and Sandin are both back, they obviously need top end minutes. You'd like to see Lindgren get some good minutes as well. Duczak and Hollowell should be thrown to the wolves to see what we have there. I'm sure I'm missing some young guys as well. Will be interesting for sure.

There are obviously quite a few vets that would be available as well. Borgman, Marincin, Harpur, Holl could all be in the mix.

There is also Kivihalme to consider.

 

[stickty111]

I agree that he's a good coach but I didn't like some of his lineup decisions during the playoffs. Guys like Duzsak and Hollowell deserved way more games than they got. Nothing major against him though. Gonna be the Leafs coach eventually unless Babcock leads us to a cup next year.

I guess thats a fair criticism, but the regular defencemen were Lilly, Sandin, Loverde, Borgman,
You add in the 3 inexperienced defenceman Hollowell, Duszak, Lindgren.
Keefe was never going to scratch Loverde, and Lindgren outplayed the other 2 defenceman, so one of them had to sit out.

 

[Cor]

It will be interesting to see how the D are deployed this season. There are a lot of young players that need minutes.

If Liljegren and Sandin are both back, they obviously need top end minutes. You'd like to see Lindgren get some good minutes as well. Duczak and Hollowell should be thrown to the wolves to see what we have there. I'm sure I'm missing some young guys as well. Will be interesting for sure.

There are obviously quite a few vets that would be available as well. Borgman, Marincin, Harpur, Holl could all be in the mix.

There is also Kivihalme to consider.

I think Lindgren & Hollowell are the top two RHD for the Marlies, probably as soon as December. Even if Liljegren starts in the AHL, I don't see him down for long. Duszak will likely be our third pairing RHD, and powerplay guy. I think the focus on Lindgren and even Hollowell will be to have them focusing on the PK. Lindgren more than Hollowell, but I can see them wanting to develop Hollowell's ability to PK. Holl won't be around I don't think. He'll be firmly #8 on the Leafs chart.

In terms of LHD. I think both Marincin and Harpur are on the big club to start, with Dermott injured. Though I'm sure both Borgman and Kivi will compete with them, but I see them both back down. Sandin will lead the charge.

If I were running things, this would be my defensive charts, when healthy;

Rielly - Barrie/Ceci
Muzzin - Ceci/Barrie
Dermott - Liljegren
Marincin - Holl

Sandin - Lindgren
Kivi - Hollowell
Borgman/Harpur - Duszak

 

[LeafChief]

I think Lindgren & Hollowell are the top two RHD for the Marlies, probably as soon as December. Even if Liljegren starts in the AHL, I don't see him down for long. Duszak will likely be our third pairing RHD, and powerplay guy. I think the focus on Lindgren and even Hollowell will be to have them focusing on the PK. Lindgren more than Hollowell, but I can see them wanting to develop Hollowell's ability to PK. Holl won't be around I don't think. He'll be firmly #8 on the Leafs chart.

In terms of LHD. I think both Marincin and Harpur are on the big club to start, with Dermott injured. Though I'm sure both Borgman and Kivi will compete with them, but I see them both back down. Sandin will lead the charge.

If I were running things, this would be my defensive charts, when healthy;

Rielly - Barrie/Ceci
Muzzin - Ceci/Barrie
Dermott - Liljegren
Marincin - Holl

Sandin - Lindgren
Kivi - Hollowell
Borgman/Harpur - Duszak

Looks perfect.

 

[MyBudJT]

Why do people have Hollowell ahead of Duszak in the depth chart? I thought Duszak looked better on the Marlies TBH.

 

[Cor]

Why do people have Hollowell ahead of Duszak in the depth chart? I thought Duszak looked better on the Marlies TBH.

I mean, it was 6 games.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Duszak, but he's probably third (fourth if you count Lilly) to start.

Keefe is pretty good at getting guys the time they need in the roles they need. He's got Liljegren, Lindgren, Duszak and Hollowell to work with on his right side, and I fully trust him to work out what is best

 

[MyBudJT]

I mean, it was 6 games.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Duszak, but he's probably third (fourth if you count Lilly) to start.

Keefe is pretty good at getting guys the time they need in the roles they need. He's got Liljegren, Lindgren, Duszak and Hollowell to work with on his right side, and I fully trust him to work out what is best

Lol, you didn’t answer my question in any way

I asked “Why is Hollowell ahead of Duszak on the depth chart?”. In other words, what makes Hollowell better than Duszak. “it was 6 games” isn’t really an answer to those questions...

 

[Cor]

Lol, you didn’t answer my question in any way

I asked “Why is Hollowell ahead of Duszak on the depth chart?”. In other words, what makes Hollowell better than Duszak. “it was 6 games” isn’t really an answer to those questions...

I like both players, so I really don't know how to answer that. Simply saying, looking better, in 6 games, doesn't mean anything either (though, I thought both Duszak and Hollowell looked very good, I think it's a straw grasp to claim one was better than the other, especially in a small sample, like we saw)

I think the second and third pairings will play similar minutes. I think they'll use Hollowell on the PK a bit to get him started there, while Duszak likely plays more on the PP, but that's just a guesstimate on my part.

You can list either player in either spot, and it doesn't change anything for me. Keefe is very good at getting players the minutes in the roles that they need.

 

[Magic Man]

I think any roster without some grit rounding it out is just awful. By keeping guys like Marincin, Holl and Shore over Harpur, Borgman and Agostino it makes the team the softest roster to ever exist in real life. I thought one of the goals of the summer was to beef up. The weird thing is Harpur, Borgman and Agostino are better statistically then the players people post above them. Tougher and better offensively. Without Kadri it will make a big difference to fill out the depth roles with some push back.

 

[MyBudJT]

I think any roster without some grit rounding it out is just awful. By keeping guys like Marincin, Holl and Shore over Harpur, Borgman and Agostino it makes the team the softest roster to ever exist in real life. I thought one of the goals of the summer was to beef up. The weird thing is Harpur, Borgman and Agostino are better statistically then the players people post above them. Tougher and better offensively. Without Kadri it will make a big difference to fill out the depth roles with some push back.

Funny you threw the Kadri statement in... he wasn’t exactly a big ‘pushback’ type himself except for a couple select games...