Prospect Info: 2018/19 Marlies & Prospects Thread Part V

[zeke]

I agree with you guys. Wheeler is not worth listening too, and when it comes to prospects, we should probably ignore him.
Jeffler again nowhere near perfect either. He has some good analysis but as he showed with the Bracco comment, he can be pretty silly too. Bracco is not "bit of a wreck defensively, and doesn't have work ethic issues either. It's honestly a narrative that will stick around him, even when he improves on those 2 aspects. It's the same thing with the "Nylander is lazy" stuff.

honestly neither are worth listening to scouting-wise.

but jeffler's dedication to counting those stats is giving us something legit worth looking at.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If it was meant to be just that then don't end the post with a mocking "lol".

Thinking you're reading too much into the "lol"

 

[MyBudJT]

Bracco is not one dimensional.

You tell me, outside of the one dimension he is known for, what other dimension is Bracco great or elite at?

Is he big? physical? speedy? Pesty? A defensive juggernaut?!?

 

[stickty111]

You tell me, outside of the one dimension he is known for, what other dimension is Bracco great or elite at?

Is he big? physical? speedy? Pesty? A defensive juggernaut?!?

Does Marner have any of the listed qualities?

 

[stickty111]

Bracco is second on the team in even strength scoring.

 

[deletethis]

honestly neither are worth listening to scouting-wise.

but jeffler's dedication to counting those stats is giving us something legit worth looking at.

Jeffler's snark rubs me the wrong way but as I said before you have to respect the amount of effort he is putting out into his profession. Most of these dudes make little more than a minimal effort, it's just an easy hang and expensed lunches.

 

[justafan22]

Bracco is not one dimensional.

Right, despite Keefe not playing him much in the defensive zone, and people who cover the marlies (not jeffler or wheeler) saying he's not as good as the stats say.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Bracco was always going to be a PP specialist in pro hockey. His smaller size, lack of commitment to defense and mediocre straight line speed was always going to relegate his impressive offensive talents to more open ice on the PP.

Given how the leafs PP has struggled this season that’s not a bad thing at all. This guy will dominate at the nhl level on the PP much like Marner.

You’ve convinced me that playing him with Matthews and Nylander would be a disaster.

 

[MyBudJT]

Does Marner have any of the listed qualities?

Yes.

 

[stickty111]

Yes.

No he doesn't
Big? No
Physical? No
Speedy? No
Pesty? No
Defensive juggernaut? No

Debrincat doesn't have them either.
2 great players.

 

[MyBudJT]

No he doesn't
Big? No
Physical? No
Speedy? No
Pesty? No
Defensive juggernaut? No

Debrincat doesn't have them either.
2 great players.

1) I'm not limiting other dimensions to those I listed. Feel free to suggest other ones Bracco is great/elite at.

2) Besides his elite offensive talent, Marner is also great defensively (one of our better defensive forwards)....
Besides that, he is a bigger, quicker, better offensively, and has a better drive train as compared to Bracco...

 

[stickty111]

1) I'm not limiting other dimensions to those I listed. Feel free to suggest other ones Bracco is great/elite at.

2) Besides his elite offensive talent, Marner is also great defensively (one of our better defensive forwards)....
Besides that, he is a bigger, quicker, better offensively, and has a better drive train as compared to Bracco...

Marner isn't great defensively, at least not yet. Marner and Debrincat aren't multi dimensional, and yet they are great players. Why would Bracco struggle in the NHL?
Patrick Kane is one dimensional. He needs to get something else he is elite at, or will not be a factor. Oh wait a second.
Bracco is terrific at controlling the puck in the offensive zone, and provides lots of energy. There you go, I just said another characteristic he is elite at.

 

[MyBudJT]

Marner isn't great defensively, at least not yet. Marner and Debrincat aren't multi dimensional, and yet they are great players. Why would Bracco struggle in the NHL?
Patrick Kane is one dimensional. He needs to get something else he is elite at, or will not be a factor. Oh wait a second.
Bracco is terrific at controlling the puck in the offensive zone, and provides lots of energy. There you go, I just said another characteristic he is elite at.

Okay ..

 

[stickty111]

Alex Debrincat
165 lb
Jeremy Bracco
171 lb

Hawks need to realize Debrincat doesn't have anything else, and should be sent to the AHL.

 

[stickty111]

Okay ..

No response
Admitting your logic was off.

 

[stickty111]

Keefe on Bracco
“He’s taking advantage of the confidence that we’re showing in him as a coaching staff to put him on the ice, consistently. He’s rewarding us with how he’s working and his effort and his skill gets to come through within that,”

He works hard, provides energy, and has terrific skill.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Marner isn't great defensively, at least not yet. Marner and Debrincat aren't multi dimensional, and yet they are great players. Why would Bracco struggle in the NHL?
Patrick Kane is one dimensional. He needs to get something else he is elite at, or will not be a factor. Oh wait a second.
Bracco is terrific at controlling the puck in the offensive zone, and provides lots of energy. There you go, I just said another characteristic he is elite at.

What does Marner have to do, that he doesn't do now, to be "multi dimensional"?

I literally have no idea. He kills penalties and is strong defensively, and the offense is obvious. Does he need to play backup goalie as well or something?

 

[genk]

honestly neither are worth listening to scouting-wise.

but jeffler's dedication to counting those stats is giving us something legit worth looking at.

I strongly disagree. Both of these guys put in a tremendous amount of work and have a significant wealth of knowledge about the ins and outs of hockey. There isn't a single poster on these boards I would trust more than the two of those guys when it comes to their opinion on players, either minor or pro. That's literally their job.

 

[stickty111]

What does Marner have to do, that he doesn't do now, to be "multi dimensional"?

I literally have no idea. He kills penalties and is strong defensively, and the offense is obvious. Does he need to play backup goalie as well or something?

He is not strong defensively. I'm just saying if Marner can be amazing without being great at anything besides offense, Bracco can as well.
Marner is a good penalty killer, but before this season, he only had offense and was still a star.

 

[Joey Hoser]

He is not strong defensively.

Uhhhh... What?

I'd argue he is, but it's like, everything. Eye test, stats, everyone's opinion, everything points to him being strong defensively except this post of yours.

 

[stickty111]

Uhhhh... What?

Believe it or not. One season is not enough. If he does it again next season, sure.
If you guys don't like the Marner example, how about Debrincat?

 

[Joey Hoser]

Believe it or not.

All the stats, eye tests and opinions of most people confirm he is strong defensively. Your post is literally the only thing that suggests he isn't.

 

[MyBudJT]

No response
Admitting your logic was off.

Your response wasn't much better... Basocally saying I'm wrong with little to support your claim.

Clearly we are on differing wavelengths, I pretty well disagree with everything in that post I responded to.

 

[stickty111]

All the stats, eye tests and opinions of most people confirm he is strong defensively. Your post is literally the only thing that suggests he isn't.

Read what I added.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Read what I added.

What? This?

"One season is not enough. If he does it again next season, sure."

So you agree he is strong defensively, you just won't admit it until later?

Or this:

"If you guys don't like the Marner example, how about Debrincat?"

I said Marner is strong defensively. I have no idea why you'r asking me about Debrincat.