Prospect Info: 2018/19 Marlies & Prospects Thread Part V

[Eye Test]

Question was asked to Keefe on Sandin and Lilly, about how much confidence that these two teenagers gave him throughout the series, and were there any reluctancy to ever put them in that role?

"No, I mean it's been such a long period of time now that we have relied on those guys. They have done well for us. If those young guys can't step up and play the minutes that they had to for us at different times when we were depleted through injuries or callups or whatever it was, we don't get to play in the playoffs. So, we had full confidence in them for sure. We moved things around today with Rosen's arrival. We thought pairing Sandin and Hollowell because there is some level of similarity there from Sault Ste. Marie that could help Hollowell, and give us three pairs that we feel comfortable putting on the ice".

Well thought out by keefe. Such a big difference in thought processes by keefer and babs.

 

[Einzakin]

Keefe tells it how it is. When a player is good, he will say it. When a player is not good, he will say it.
Lilly was really good in the series, and Keefe thinks that as well.
You also made a determination based off one game Lilly isn't ready, so I don't know if I should take you seriously.

I think it's common knowledge Lil isn't NHL ready.

If you don't wanna make me seriously you don't have to. No point telling me you're thinking about it though.

 

[BAM]

I think it's common knowledge Lil isn't NHL ready.

If you don't wanna make me seriously you don't have to. No point telling me you're thinking about it though.

Who to believe, Keefe, a coach who's highly sought after and the likely successor to Babcock or you, some kid on an internet forum who gives hockey opinions that nobody in the NHL cares about.

 

[Einzakin]

Who to believe, Keefe, a coach who's highly sought after and the likely successor to Babcock or you, some kid on an internet forum who gives hockey opinions that nobody in the NHL cares about.

Keefe pumps his players up and knows when to criticize them. After a series win it wasn't the time.

If you watched the games you'd know there were times Lily looked out of place. He's got all the tools to become a good NHL defenceman.

Or you can cry more?

 

[BAM]

Keefe pumps his players up and knows when to criticize them. After a series win it wasn't the time.

If you watched the games you'd know there were times Lily looked out of place. He's got all the tools to become a good NHL defenceman.

Or you can cry more?

I'm cool, you on the other hand...want some tissues?

If your opinion with anything hockey-related was worth anything it wouldn't be posted here. The fact that you think you know better than Keefe is hilarious. Keep up the good work little guy.

 

[Einzakin]

I'm cool, you on the other hand...want some tissues?

If your opinion with anything hockey-related was worth anything it wouldn't be posted here. The fact that you think you know better than Keefe is hilarious. Keep up the good work little guy.

Ok well I guess you're saying because it's posted here it's not worth anything, so you're criticizing all the posters... and yourself?

Good logic.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Keefe pumps his players up and knows when to criticize them. After a series win it wasn't the time.

If you watched the games you'd know there were times Lily looked out of place. He's got all the tools to become a good NHL defenceman.

Or you can cry more?

Yea I'm sure Keefe playing Liljegren on the first pairing for the majority of the year including the playoffs, thinks Liljegren is bad defensively. Makes sense, just keep playing a bad defensive player on the first pairing.. Not like it has been working...

 

[Einzakin]

Yea I'm sure Keefe playing Liljegren on the first pairing for the majority of the year including the playoffs, thinks Liljegren is bad defensively. Makes sense, just keep playing a bad defensive player on the first pairing.. Not like it has been working...

Not once did I say that. Liljegren is a great player. I said I don't think he's NHL ready. He got burned a few times wide so I think that's something he can work on.

There's no reason to get upset from seeing flaws in certain players. Others see it as well. I guarantee you Keefe knows this. Just something to work on to get him ready for the NHL. He's 19.

 

[Rielly Good]

How has hollowel looked?

 

[stickty111]

I think it's common knowledge Lil isn't NHL ready.

If you don't wanna make me seriously you don't have to. No point telling me you're thinking about it though.

It's common knowledge Lilly is close to NHL ready

 

[Kiwi]

How has hollowel looked?

Pretty good

He's being sheltered and it's only been 2 games but he's an excellent skater and moves the puck up ice very effectively, including out of his own end

He's also inclined to jump up into the play if given the opportunity which isn't a bad thing if you've got some offensive ability, which he has

I don't think you could ask for much better than that, once he's being sheltered less we will get a better read on his defensive game but so far so good

 

[stickty111]

Who to believe, Keefe, a coach who's highly sought after and the likely successor to Babcock or you, some kid on an internet forum who gives hockey opinions that nobody in the NHL cares about.

I'm cool, you on the other hand...want some tissues?

If your opinion with anything hockey-related was worth anything it wouldn't be posted here. The fact that you think you know better than Keefe is hilarious. Keep up the good work little guy.

Yea I'm sure Keefe playing Liljegren on the first pairing for the majority of the year including the playoffs, thinks Liljegren is bad defensively. Makes sense, just keep playing a bad defensive player on the first pairing.. Not like it has been working...

 

[stickty111]

Not once did I say that. Liljegren is a great player. I said I don't think he's NHL ready. He got burned a few times wide so I think that's something he can work on.

There's no reason to get upset from seeing flaws in certain players. Others see it as well. I guarantee you Keefe knows this. Just something to work on to get him ready for the NHL. He's 19.

Saying he has things to work on is fine, saying he isn't close to NHL ready based on one game where he made a couple mistakes is not fine.
Keefe probably sees flaws in Sandin as well. Does that mean he should be sent to the ECHL?
He plays Lilly on the top pair against tough competition, and didn't demote him in the lineup. The stats and the eye test indicate a player doing well. The coach said he was outstanding in the series. However you think he isn't close to NHL ready because of one game? Okay

 

[Einzakin]

It's common knowledge Lilly is close to NHL ready

No it definitely isn't. Go listen to all the Leaf radio statios. I heard on 3 seperate occasions today that Liljegren is not NHL ready and that they shouldn't rush him. Just because you want it, doesn't make it so. He's not NHL ready. Sandin is closer.

 

[Einzakin]

Saying he has things to work on is fine, saying he isn't close to NHL ready based on one game where he made a couple mistakes is not fine.
Keefe probably sees flaws in Sandin as well. Does that mean he should be sent to the ECHL?
He plays Lilly on the top pair against tough competition, and didn't demote him in the lineup. The stats and the eye test indicate a player doing well. The coach said he was outstanding in the series. However you think he isn't close to NHL ready because of one game? Okay

Fair enough, I should rephrase.

I think he's atleast one, but probably 2 years away from the NHL. In 2 years I'm hoping he's ready to go.

 

[Rielly4]

I would say Sandin and Liljegren will probably arrive at the NHL around the same time. Not sure that its next season but it very well could be. Liljegren definitely is more prone to mistakes and Sandin plays a much more cerebral game. That being said Liljegren is committed to working on that part of the game to try and turn himself into a more risk free d man. His offense is definitely hurting because of it and he will likely never turn out to be the offensive dynamo he was touted to become. I also dont think he will ever be a defensive specialist, but he can be a good puck mover...Both of them definitely need to get a lot stronger and that is the main thing that will hold them back from making the team in the fall.

 

[The Podium]

Fair enough, I should rephrase.

I think he's atleast one, but probably 2 years away from the NHL. In 2 years I'm hoping he's ready to go.

Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas said Liljegren’s injury is a double blow because he had impressed with the Marlies and was viewed as a potential NHL call-up later in the year.

Maple Leafs prospect Timothy Liljegren ruled out for World Juniors - Sportsnet.ca

 

[BAM]

No it definitely isn't. Go listen to all the Leaf radio statios. I heard on 3 seperate occasions today that Liljegren is not NHL ready and that they shouldn't rush him. Just because you want it, doesn't make it so. He's not NHL ready. Sandin is closer.

Link it then?

 

[Einzakin]

Link it then?

If I can find it I will. It was said on Leafs lunch forsure. 2 other people said the exact same thing while I was listening to the radio. This was after I had said what I said in this thread.

If I can't find the links then all I'm going to say is watch a full Marlies game. He's clearly got some potential but he seems to have problems with guys burning him wide. I'm hoping it can be fixed with positioning and awareness. If he's getting burned in Marlies games it makes me think he atleast needs another year until he's in the NHL. I'm not in favour of rushing players.

 

[BAM]

If I can find it I will. It was said on Leafs lunch forsure. 2 other people said the exact same thing while I was listening to the radio. This was after I had said what I said in this thread.

If I can't find the links then all I'm going to say is watch a full Marlies game. He's clearly got some potential but he seems to have problems with guys burning him wide. I'm hoping it can be fixed with positioning and awareness. If he's getting burned in Marlies games it makes me think he atleast needs another year until he's in the NHL. I'm not in favour of rushing players.

You should probably stop while your already losing. Nobody shares the opinion you do on the Leafs staff let alone here where multiple people have called you out. Although with the ego you've shown I'm sure you think you know more considering you "heard" something on Leafs lunch that you can't even link.

 

[Einzakin]

You should probably stop while your already losing. Nobody shares the opinion you do on the Leafs staff let alone here where multiple people have called you out. Although with the ego you've shown I'm sure you think you know more considering you "heard" something on Leafs lunch that you can't even link.

Yeah I heard it while listening to the radio? They had a full conversation about how he's not ready.

You're just throwing a bunch of personal insults now. If you don't like or agree with my opinion that's fine, no need to insult me.

 

[Fogelhund]

This is what Dubas said about Liljegren in December.

Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas said Liljegren’s injury is a double blow because he had impressed with the Marlies and was viewed as a potential NHL call-up later in the year.

Maple Leafs prospect Timothy Liljegren ruled out for World Juniors - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Einzakin]

This is what Dubas said about Liljegren in December.



Maple Leafs prospect Timothy Liljegren ruled out for World Juniors - Sportsnet.ca

Yeah I read that. I wonder if he regressed or something. His stats certainly aren't as good. He doesn't look like he's dominating out there. I think he needs to work on his defensive game. If he gets called up next year I guess we'll see what he's made of. I think he needs to dominate at the AHL first before that though.

 

[stickty111]

Yeah I read that. I wonder if he regressed or something. His stats certainly aren't as good. He doesn't look like he's dominating out there. I think he needs to work on his defensive game. If he gets called up next year I guess we'll see what he's made of. I think he needs to dominate at the AHL first before that though.

After someone proves all your points wrong, you say even more false things.

Oh yes, a guy with great underlying numbers and eye test looking good, has regressed.
His defensive is more then okay. The stats are only down because he is on the 2nd PP unit.

 

[Fogelhund]

Yeah I read that. I wonder if he regressed or something. His stats certainly aren't as good. He doesn't look like he's dominating out there. I think he needs to work on his defensive game. If he gets called up next year I guess we'll see what he's made of. I think he needs to dominate at the AHL first before that though.

Overall his defensive game has been good. He makes mistakes, but that isn't uncommon at his age. He isn't putting up the points we had hoped at draft, but he's also better than expected defensively. I'd love to see him dominate offensively at the AHL level too, and become all around. But, I'd expect a call up next season... We shall see how he translates at that point.