Rumor: 2018-19 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits

[KingsHockey24]

True. Clifford >>>>Datsyuk.


Clifford is so loved for a glorified punching bag.

 

[kingsfan28]

I wish I could sticky the average production of bottom sixers around the league to the top of every thread so people can stop posting the same misinformation every time it gets bumped off the page.

Yeah, all it takes is one teams bottom 6 to produce above average, especially the 4th line and everyone screams " our bottom 6 sucks!"

 

[kingsfan28]

Datsyuk.

My issue with Clifford is that hes slow, sucks at fighting, over paid, and doesn't do anything particularly well at all so he's useless for the most part. It shouldn't be hard to find fourth liners with more to offer than him.


Anyone saying "ITZ NORMAL!!!!" are out to lunch. Dude sucks.

I think it's the over paid thing that irritates people the most. You'd think he was making 3 mil a year the way people whine about it. 1.6 is a little more than most like, but if he was making 1.25 nobody would care.

 

[Sol]

Lol Ironic cause I was being sarcastic to your post. I thought it was obvious.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Datsyuk.

My issue with Clifford is that hes slow, sucks at fighting, over paid, and doesn't do anything particularly well at all so he's useless for the most part. It shouldn't be hard to find fourth liners with more to offer than him.


Anyone saying "ITZ NORMAL!!!!" are out to lunch. Dude sucks.

Go ahead and name some and I'll show you how good Clifford is in context.

The problem is people drop driveby comments like this when he's comparable at worst to any 4th liner not named Casey Cizikas. Your expectations of fourth liners aren't grounded in reality so let me show you some.

Edit: then again, I've done this exercise several times before, so f*** it. Rip on our 12th forward all you want as if he will be the undoing of this team, pointless argument to win

 

[Reaper45]

My issue with Clifford is that he's stagnant and hes overpaid. He's never progressed, his fighting has gotten worse and he's one headshot away from CTE. I want to see a sink or swim rotation, get Wagner some games, and if he cant hack it you have Amadio, Brodzinski ready to go. I just want to see young hungry talent and some roster turn over. How many teams have 4th liners who play over 500 games for them?

 

[2-4 Slashin]

Your 2019 Kings “They could win the division, they could finish sixth”

I'd wear that shirt.

Anyone? Garage silk screen amateurs in the house?

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Idk but I'd like to see at the start...

Kovy--Kopitar--Brown
Iafallo--Carter--Brodzinski
Pearson--Kempe--Toffoli
Etem--Amadio--Lewis

-See if Kovy can fit with Kopitar.
-See if Carter can help the young guys like he did with Pearson & Toffoli
-Keep Pearson & Toffoli with Kempe
-Speedy 4th line

** I know..."No Toughness" but I don't care about that shit. It hurts our team to have Clifford in the lineup. And with the trade of Andreoff; I think management knows it too

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I guess at some point, the Kings considered Clifford and Parse to be worthy third liners, centered by Jarret Stoll.

Kings' Dean Lombardi says he won't trade rights to Drew Doughty

Brad Richardson was a second line left wing, centered by Mike Richards with Dustin Brown on the right side, and the top line consisted of Kopitar centering Simon Gagne and Justin Williams.

And so that left the team with a fourth line centered by Trevor Lewis between Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter (and sometimes Kevin Westgarth).

Talk about shitty depth.

 

[Reaper45]

I guess at some point, the Kings considered Clifford and Parse to be worthy third liners, centered by Jarret Stoll.

Kings' Dean Lombardi says he won't trade rights to Drew Doughty

Brad Richardson was a second line left wing, centered by Mike Richards with Dustin Brown on the right side, and the top line consisted of Kopitar centering Simon Gagne and Justin Williams.

And so that left the team with a fourth line centered by Trevor Lewis between Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter (and sometimes Kevin Westgarth).

Talk about ****ty depth.

Scott Parse, like Dwight King, a regular on the Kings to out of the league.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Scott Parse, like Dwight King, a regular on the Kings to out of the league.

Funny how often that happens. Like Raitis Ivanans. Or Matt Frattin, who went from a top six role to minor leaguer in a hurry. Couple examples of just how bad this team has been for long stretches in drafting top six forwards when those names had to looked upon as options on the top two lines.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

My issue with Clifford is that he's stagnant and hes overpaid. He's never progressed, his fighting has gotten worse and he's one headshot away from CTE. I want to see a sink or swim rotation, get Wagner some games, and if he cant hack it you have Amadio, Brodzinski ready to go. I just want to see young hungry talent and some roster turn over. How many teams have 4th liners who play over 500 games for them?

The winning ones. Marcus Kruger. Kris Draper. Pandolfo? I'm sure one of the Devils defensive forwards. Shawn Thornton. There's something to stability and culture and Clifford is far from the problem, model citizen off the ice, good player and teammate on it.

If you want to make the argument based on 'new blood' and rotating people in and out then I can agree but I think that opinion is very valid. But "lol Clifford sucks" isn't a good take.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Since the previous article I linked to discussed Doughty's then holdout with the Kings, here's another fun trip back memory line when every Kings RFA would end up holding out due to the cheapskates running the team like a mom and pop shop.

KINGS REPORT : Murray, Norstrom Remain Unsigned

 

[Stimpythecat]

Data from 2016 article so it does not reflect the smaller goalie equipment rules or hand slash rule changes.

Average 4th line scoring today should be in the teens.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Dont make fun of Scott Parse, he was more than solid. Dude’s career ended because of injuries, not because he was bad.

 

[Herby]

Reaper,

I get made fun of and have very dubious or misleading numbers thrown at me, but Clifford is the second longest tenured fourth line player on an NHL roster, behind Darren Helm of Detroit who has played for the Wings fulltime since 2009 and has played on the fourth line a decent amount the last couple of years. So you are absolutely correct, teams, for whatever reason always switch out the bottom lines, always been that way, always will. The Kings have a view, right or wrong that goes against the thinking of the other teams.

 

[Herby]

In what world was Kris Draper, who played for Team Canada in multiple best vs. best tournaments and won a Selke trophy a fourth liner?
Man, when I was following the Wings closely he was one of the best two-way players in the league.

Maybe when he was 39 or 40 and shouldn't have been playing he was a 4th liner.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Ilya Kovalchuk / Anze Kopitar / Dustin Brown
Tanner Pearson / Jeff Carter / Tyler Toffoli
Alex Iafallo / Adrian Kempe / Trevor Lewis
Kyle Clifford / Nate Thompson / Jonny Brodzinski
Michael Amadio
Zack Mitchell

very disappointing to see this is most likely our team on opening night

when in reality... Clifford and Thompson are done, Brodzinski is nothing special, Lewis is a strong 4th liner, Brown & Toffoli are enigmatic and most likely belong in the 2 and 3 holes

and most of us hope that a Rempal could come in and be a big surprise, or that guys like Brickley, Ladue, Clague become solid enough to make Martinez / Muzzin expendable in a trade for a top six winger

but as is... (also don't forget who our coach is...)

it'll be another long battle of a season

You sound surprised? That's been the projected opening night lineup, other than Vilardi, since the draft when we learned about Kovalchuk.

Our 4th line is not good, but whatever. The bigger issue is it's 2018-2019 and the Kings are counting on the 70's line to still be a thing. I am still shocked that with how poorly he played that Toffoli was brought back.

There is alot of upside to the top 6 but they also have more question marks than the Riddler's suit. Kopitar is the only guy you can really be 100% sure on.

Trade Toffoli when his value is at a career low?

My issue with Clifford is that he's stagnant and hes overpaid. He's never progressed, his fighting has gotten worse and he's one headshot away from CTE. I want to see a sink or swim rotation, get Wagner some games, and if he cant hack it you have Amadio, Brodzinski ready to go. I just want to see young hungry talent and some roster turn over. How many teams have 4th liners who play over 500 games for them?

What would you do with Clifford? Stagnant and overpaid, that sounds like great trade value? His salary is higher than his cap hit. Who wants him? Who needs him? They're not paying that salary for him to go to Ontario, where the young guys need to play. Seems they're doing that with Budaj, but there are a limited number of NHL veterans in the AHL making that much money. The rules are set up for that to be rare. He's going to be one of the 14 forwards. Most likely until the end of the 19-20 season. It's easier to just accept it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Reaper,

I get made fun of and have very dubious or misleading numbers thrown at me, but Clifford is the second longest tenured fourth line player on an NHL roster, behind Darren Helm of Detroit who has played for the Wings fulltime since 2009 and has played on the fourth line a decent amount the last couple of years. So you are absolutely correct, teams, for whatever reason always switch out the bottom lines, always been that way, always will. The Kings have a view, right or wrong that goes against the thinking of the other teams.

Lmao. When presented with crazy dubious numbers like "points" and "icetime," curl up in a ball and scream Fake News. You need to quit talking past me when you're clearly addressing me. Even if you disagree with the further advanced stats, anything traditional lines up with Clifford being a very good 4th liner.

As for tenured players on the bottom lines, Kings did that for years for obvious reasons. Clifford is about the only leftover with Lewis. I'm in no hurry to jettison either uber-effective player out. Cycle in the rookies, absolutely, I think everyone is for seeing more Amadio. Not sure what the fascination with Brodzinski is as a 4th liner other than "shiny new toy." Really my biggest beef is that people want change for the sake of change and don't care who gets plugged in. Clifford is an effective player and a huge culture guy/role model for the youth, still will not understand why all the negative focus on a good soldier and a guy who has clearly literally given even his health for this franchise when he's our last forward.

In what world was Kris Draper, who played for Team Canada in multiple best vs. best tournaments and won a Selke trophy a fourth liner?
Man, when I was following the Wings closely he was one of the best two-way players in the league.

Maybe when he was 39 or 40 and shouldn't have been playing he was a 4th liner.

He was phenomenal.

He was also a 4th liner for much of his career by ice time and deployment. It was obviously a phenomenal team. He could have played middle six as a complimentary player, sure.

Or are we just going to change the criteria to what's convenient?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

On the plus side, much of the irrational complaining is back, so hey, hockey season is upon us!

 

[YP44]

I saw Bernstein tweet something about Voynov potentially injuring his ACL. Anyone else hear anything?

 

[Butch 19]

On the plus side, much of the irrational complaining is back, so hey, hockey season is upon us!

not soon enough... football will help, but not much.

 

[Reaper45]

The winning ones. Marcus Kruger. Kris Draper. Pandolfo? I'm sure one of the Devils defensive forwards. Shawn Thornton. There's something to stability and culture and Clifford is far from the problem, model citizen off the ice, good player and teammate on it.

If you want to make the argument based on 'new blood' and rotating people in and out then I can agree but I think that opinion is very valid. But "lol Clifford sucks" isn't a good take.

I didnt say he sucks.

 

[Reaper45]

What would you do with Clifford? Stagnant and overpaid, that sounds like great trade value? His salary is higher than his cap hit. Who wants him? Who needs him? They're not paying that salary for him to go to Ontario, where the young guys need to play. Seems they're doing that with Budaj, but there are a limited number of NHL veterans in the AHL making that much money. The rules are set up for that to be rare. He's going to be one of the 14 forwards. Most likely until the end of the 19-20 season. It's easier to just accept it.

I have accepted it, a long time ago. I like Clifford and had higher hope's for him, but he was rushed and stagnated.

As far as what I would do with him, guys get traded/signed based on their reputations all the time. 2 time cup winner, tough, leader etc etc. Someone would take him if the Kings wanted to trade him, regardless of being overpaid and under producing.

 

[johnjm22]

Scott Parse, like Dwight King, a regular on the Kings to out of the league.

Funny how often that happens. Like Raitis Ivanans. Or Matt Frattin, who went from a top six role to minor leaguer in a hurry. Couple examples of just how bad this team has been for long stretches in drafting top six forwards when those names had to looked upon as options on the top two lines.

Scott Parse was perfectly capable of being an NHL player. His career was derailed by injuries not ability.