Rumor: 2018-19 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits

[Choralone]

No to Lucic under any circumstances, even if we gave up no assets and he played for free.

 

[fivehole32]

And that was Kings management in a nutshell. They also dealt a Hall of Fame defenseman who would go on to win another Norris Trophy for a washed up center that they had no use for in Jimmy Carson, and got rid of productive Corey Millen for a late draft pick.

You'd be hard pressed to find any transactions where the Kings came out on the winning end of the spectrum during that time. Nick Beverley was an utter dumbass, as was Barry Melrose.

I read Bruce McNall's book that he wrote when he got out of ClubFed and he blames himself for a lot of these terrible trades and Beverly was basically the fall guy to the fans. McNall essentially said he couldn't afford a lot of talent toward the end and told Beverly to make moves that would shrink the payroll. He said a lot of the staff for all of his companies were getting paid as money came in rather than on a set time (weekly, monthly, etc.). Robbing Peter to pay Paul was his game for all of his companies the last few years.

 

[KingsFan7824]

One of the worst deals I can remember. Never should've traded him in the first place.

Yeah. I'm ok with trading him in general, McEachern was a good get, but it's the desperation to get him back that ruins everything. No idea what the record was at the time of the trade, but they finished with the 5th worst record in the league that year.

And that was Kings management in a nutshell. They also dealt a Hall of Fame defenseman who would go on to win another Norris Trophy for a washed up center that they had no use for in Jimmy Carson, and got rid of productive Corey Millen for a late draft pick.

You'd be hard pressed to find any transactions where the Kings came out on the winning end of the spectrum during that time. Nick Beverley was an utter dumbass, as was Barry Melrose.

I sort of get the idea behind the Coffey deal, but man, him with a healthy Gretzky, who knows what happens that year.

Coffey was traded in January 93. McSorley, August 93. Carson, January 94. McSorley came back in Feb 94. That's a lot in about a year.

Lombardi got Richards and Carter in less than a calendar year.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I feel for Sens fans.

potential McNall 2.0 written all over it.

 

[The Tikkanen]

I think his hands are also a huge factor in his regression. He was actually a really underrated play maker and passer while with Boston. With the Kings and now with Edmonton he can't even receive a pass cleanly. He can't skate more than 5 feet with the puck anymore because he's too slow and his hands are awful.

Hate to be the guy who quotes the guy who heard from the guy but my coworker saw Lucic in Hawaii for Toffoli's wedding and they had a good chat and Lucic said he expects to be out of Edmonton come October. He must really not be happy in Edmonton considering he has a full NMC.


Brown was huge during the 2016-17 season. He bulked up a lot and looked like a NFL linebacker. This season he was noticeably slimmer.

Yah, the trainers of some of these players need to come under fire. Brown released a video of himself jogging in the mountains and he looked like he had been doing cross fit-way too bulky up top. Those muscles require a lot of oxygen and they put more stress on your legs. Lower body bulky, upper body lean and defined. It's possible to regain speed and stamina but Lucic would need a trainer who understands how to do it.

 

[kingsfan28]

And that was Kings management in a nutshell. They also dealt a Hall of Fame defenseman who would go on to win another Norris Trophy for a washed up center that they had no use for in Jimmy Carson, and got rid of productive Corey Millen for a late draft pick.

You'd be hard pressed to find any transactions where the Kings came out on the winning end of the spectrum during that time. Nick Beverley was an utter dumbass, as was Barry Melrose.

Melrose was just as much to blame as everyone else. Every move he made [ I always saw him as the real GM] to improve the team back fired.

 

[kingsfan28]

only reason I could see is if he really wants out and is an issue in the room

You have to wonder if Lucic regrets signing with the Oilers. What was Lombardi's best offer, 5 mil x 5 or something like that?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You have to wonder if Lucic regrets signing with the Oilers. What was Lombardi's best offer, 5 mil x 5 or something like that?

Don't know if any confirmed numbers ever came out, but they simply couldn't afford his AAV of $6M that the Oilers were foolishly willing to offer over a six-year term.

Report: Lucic to become free agent - LA Kings Insider

Thankfully the team was able to move past that crappy time and their outlook looks better now than it did two summers ago.

 

[Little Psycho]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Toffoli and Lucic is such a weird pair

I think his hands are also a huge factor in his regression. He was actually a really underrated play maker and passer while with Boston. With the Kings and now with Edmonton he can't even receive a pass cleanly. He can't skate more than 5 feet with the puck anymore because he's too slow and his hands are awful.

Hate to be the guy who quotes the guy who heard from the guy but my coworker saw Lucic in Hawaii for Toffoli's wedding and they had a good chat and Lucic said he expects to be out of Edmonton come October. He must really not be happy in Edmonton considering he has a full NMC.
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Reminds me of late-stage Mike Richards where every time the puck was on his stick it was a hand grenade.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Think the guy regrets leaving LA?

 

[YP44]

You have to wonder if Lucic regrets signing with the Oilers. What was Lombardi's best offer, 5 mil x 5 or something like that?

He went 8 year under $5M as a last offer.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Toffoli and Lucic is such a weird pair



Reminds me of late-stage Mike Richards where every time the puck was on his stick it was a hand grenade.

Toffoli misses Lucic. Professionally, if not personally. With him, 30 goals, 60 points. Without him, he hasn't broken 25 or 50. Even in the 2014 playoffs, 14 points in 26 games is 44 in 82. He might have his 25 and 50 had he not missed some games in 14-15. Take out the career year with Lucic on the team, and he's averaging 22 goals and 46 points. Solid, not great.

With Richards it was anywhere. The weird thing with Lucic was that his hands only disappeared in the defensive zone. 3rd most assists by a Kings forward in 15-16. #1 Kings forward in assists in the playoffs. For whatever reason though, depending on which blueline he was close to, it was night and day. From what I can recall, he was fluid and crisp with the puck most of the time while attacking, while just getting out of the d-zone was a struggle for him. Maybe it was a peripheral vision or confidence thing.

Another thing, as people have been talking about conditioning and working out and all that, a lot of Lucic's hits here seemed to be with the upper body. There wasn't a ton of leg strength to them. Sort of like Toffoli the last few years. He had the leg injury in 16-17, but he hasn't had much jump overall. He's sort of slow anyway, but that extra little burst hasn't been there.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Lucic had 76 giveaways last season which was a career high. He went from 12 PP goals the year before to 3, those 9 goals bring him closer to his career average point totals.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Staying on the topic of reacquiring talent, now here is one that worked out well for the Kings.



This blurb at the end of the linked article is interesting. If they somehow ended up getting Bure, do they even bother going after Palffy two years later?

King Notes

The Kings may be in the hunt for Vancouver forward Pavel Bure, 26, who recently requested a trade after the Canucks signed free agent Mark Messier. Vancouver General Manager Pat Quinn has talked with the Kings about Bure, who is scheduled to make $11 million over the last two years of his contract.

"We've had discussions but it is something that I do not like to comment on," Taylor said. "I anticipate that there may be more [discussions with Quinn]."

 

[YP44]

Staying on the topic of reacquiring talent, now here is one that worked out well for the Kings.



This blurb at the end of the linked article is interesting. If they somehow ended up getting Bure, do they even bother going after Palffy two years later?

It's funny how upset people are at players salaries today when back in the 90's superstars were make much much more. Especially when considering inflation.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I believe that $11M that was owed to Bure was over two years, so $5.5M per year for Pavel back then, not $11M per year.

 

[YP44]

I believe that $11M that was owed to Bure was over two years, so $5.5M per year for Pavel back then, not $11M per year.

Players were making double digit millions per year back in the 90's. Few examples: Federov made 14.5M in 98-99, Chris Gratton made $10M in 97-98, Joe Sakic made $16M in 97-98, and yes Bure was $10M a year with the Rangers.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Players were making double digit millions per year back in the 90's. Few examples: Federov made 14.5M in 98-99, Chris Gratton made $10M in 97-98, Joe Sakic made $16M in 97-98, and yes Bure was $10M a year with the Rangers.

They were giving insane signing bonuses then, as Gratton and Sakic and Fedorov became subjects of offer sheets. Lot of holdouts back then as well with the likes of Peca and even Robert Reichel missing entire seasons due to holdouts, as well as Lindros and Khabibulin.

The pre-cap era was pretty crazy, and I certainly don't miss Tim Leiweke crying foul about not being able to compete with other teams when they nickel and dimed pretty much every RFA and UFA that mattered to the Kings.

 

[YP44]

They were giving insane signing bonuses then, as Gratton and Sakic and Fedorov became subjects of offer sheets. Lot of holdouts back then as well with the likes of Peca and even Robert Reichel missing entire seasons due to holdouts, as well as Lindros and Khabibulin.

The pre-cap era was pretty crazy, and I certainly don't miss Tim Leiweke crying foul about not being able to compete with other teams when they nickel and dimed pretty much every RFA and UFA that mattered to the Kings.

I was on a website showing top 5 salaries by year. Before the lockout every salary was over $10M after there was not one. The cap needed to happen to protect owner's from themselves. I know Edmonton and other smaller market clubs would not have been able to survive without the cap. It helps level the playing field for teams trying to get UFAs.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Staying on the topic of reacquiring talent, now here is one that worked out well for the Kings.



This blurb at the end of the linked article is interesting. If they somehow ended up getting Bure, do they even bother going after Palffy two years later?

Not so much that first season back, although he was ok, but in the next 3 he was really good. Not pre-Pittsburgh Robitaille, but pretty damn good for early to mid 30's Robitaille.

Still enjoy that 97-98 team though. First time back in the playoffs since 93. Finished 5th in the West. Even Tsyplakov was good. Signed Galley, got Robitaille back, got Stumpel a day later. Not to get ahead of ourselves.

It's funny how upset people are at players salaries today when back in the 90's superstars were make much much more. Especially when considering inflation.

People were upset at the salaries back then. It's how the league got the cap. It's upset for different reasons though. Today, if one guy takes up too much space, it potentially hurts the team. Back then, you could spend whatever, but the smaller markets/cheaper owners couldn't keep anyone good for too long.

 

[Reaper45]

Not so much that first season back, although he was ok, but in the next 3 he was really good. Not pre-Pittsburgh Robitaille, but pretty damn good for early to mid 30's Robitaille.

Still enjoy that 97-98 team though. First time back in the playoffs since 93. Finished 5th in the West. Even Tsyplakov was good. Signed Galley, got Robitaille back, got Stumpel a day later. Not to get ahead of ourselves.



People were upset at the salaries back then. It's how the league got the cap. It's upset for different reasons though. Today, if one guy takes up too much space, it potentially hurts the team. Back then, you could spend whatever, but the smaller markets/cheaper owners couldn't keep anyone good for too long.

I always think of Bobby Holik making 10+ million or whatever it was. Shit was out of hand.

 

[Brodeur]

I always think of Bobby Holik making 10+ million or whatever it was. **** was out of hand.

Holik got 45 over 5 from the Rangers. Crazy thing was that the Devils and Leafs offered him 40/5.

 

[Minor Boarding]

I always think of Bobby Holik making 10+ million or whatever it was. **** was out of hand.

Holik signed in 2002 as a free agent..

Glen Sather has a few of those headscratching contracts. To be fair, the Leafs would have signed Holik (they threw money at everything that could walk 15 years ago) for even more but he declined to play for Toronto..

 

[Sol]

Oh f*** off Lucic. And Toffoli looks like a noodle. Figures. Incoming 15 goal season