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Frolov 6'3 said:
MacDermid is tough and good at fighting.

He is slow, bad positioning, bad passer. Three things Fantenberg is at least solid at.

If MacDermid can play +30 minutes of mistake free hockey in a playoff game, call me. You say MacDermid is better than Fantenberg ? Laughable. I am far from a Fantenberg fan and really wished MacDermid would turn out into anything but that is not going to happen.

If i would get a penny for every negative remark from you regarding Fantenberg, i could get a free meal at MacDonalds. He had some great moments in the playoffs but of course you only pointed out the mistakes, like usual. Thats what i call, biased.

No idea how somebody can be this obsessed about a bottom pair defenseman.

MacDermid should not even be in the press box.
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Wait a second. You are going to tell me that Fantenberg played mistake free hockey in Game 2? Get out of here with that. Just because he played a ton of minutes doesn't make it "mistake free".

Great moments? Ok. I think the great moment is that he played a ton of minutes in a game that Quick was the main reason he got to play all of those minutes.

The defining moment for Fantenberg in the playoffs was getting juked on a Bantam-level move by James Neal for the back breaking goal in Game 3.

Yes, I don't like him as a player as he doesn't do anything particularly well and is not good at playing defense; this is a problem since he is a defenseman. Looks like he is going to be given a shot so I hope he plays better and will gladly eat my words if he does but I'll be perfectly fine if he isn't even Kings property after training camp.

If a guy is supposed to be an offensive defenseman, he needs to be really good at offense if he is going to be trash at defense. Funny that Modry was brought up since I was probably the biggest Modry hater around. Legendary for it in my section. I'd take Modry every day over Fantenberg.
 
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Fantenberg, thus far, can't hold Modry's jock. Don't be mean to Jaroslav.

He's had exactly one phenomenal game which has done nothing but left us wanting given he followed it up with an utter stinker.

BigKing is absolutely right--what's his 'talent?' he's vanilla. Not fast, not agile, not a great passer. He's just good at stuff. He's not a specialist and sure that's not particularly damning, but he's also wildly inconsistent. If you want to make the argument on his potential and maybe he'll be better next season I can be convinced, but not any more about him than I can about any other bubble guy. But if you want to make the argument based on what he's done in the NHL so far, sorry, a great one-game sample size when held up to the remainder of his season isn't going to do it. His numbers are terrible, the eyetest confirms that. He runs around, he gets muscled, and he doesn't do anything noteworthy in transition or on offense to justify it. I know I'm particularly hard on him, but in my eyes, he's been just about the worst regular-ish d-man we've had since 2010. There's maybe raw potential there given what he did overseas--but maybe he's just Kevin Dallman. Starting to think the hyper-defense of him is just based on him being a Euro.

While I'm not sold on MacDermid either at least you know who and what he is and what his role should be.
 
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BigKing said:
Wait a second. You are going to tell me that Fantenberg played mistake free hockey in Game 2? Get out of here with that. Just because he played a ton of minutes doesn't make it "mistake free".

Great moments? Ok. I think the great moment is that he played a ton of minutes in a game that Quick was the main reason he got to play all of those minutes.

The defining moment for Fantenberg in the playoffs was getting juked on a Bantam-level move by James Neal for the back breaking goal in Game 3.

Yes, I don't like him as a player as he doesn't do anything particularly well and is not good at playing defense; this is a problem since he is a defenseman. Looks like he is going to be given a shot so I hope he plays better and will gladly eat my words if he does but I'll be perfectly fine if he isn't even Kings property after training camp.

If a guy is supposed to be an offensive defenseman, he needs to be really good at offense if he is going to be trash at defense. Funny that Modry was brought up since I was probably the biggest Modry hater around. Legendary for it in my section. I'd take Modry every day over Fantenberg.
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no matter how you think about him, tell me about MacDermid’s highlights as King. There are not any, at least we can talk about plays of Fantenberg.

At least he has shown flashes of A NHL calibre defenseman and his offense.

2 goals - 7 assists in 27 NHL games.
1 goal - 12 assists in 25 AHL games.

Thats some offense in his first year in North-America.

And yes, Fantenberg had an exceptional game vs Vegas but of course it is much more fun to point out his mistake vs Neal multiple times.
 
I wasn't ragging on Modry, I was just noting that he was our whipping boy for YEARS. Especially after Boucher left. And for some of the same reasons, namely being slow. (I'm also not defending Fatenberg).
 
Hey does anyone remember the old (and I do mean old) jumbo tron video the Kings used to play where some of the players were shown as dinosaurs? Matt Johnson was the T-Rex, Vladimir Tsyplakov was the Pterodactyl and there was another player, but I don't remember who it was or what dinosaur the other dinosaur was. Just a random memory that popped into my head.
 
Frolov 6'3 said:
no matter how you think about him, tell me about MacDermid’s highlights as King. There are not any, at least we can talk about plays of Fantenberg.

At least he has shown flashes of A NHL calibre defenseman and his offense.

2 goals - 7 assists in 27 NHL games.
1 goal - 12 assists in 25 AHL games.

Thats some offense in his first year in North-America.

And yes, Fantenberg had an exceptional game vs Vegas but of course it is much more fun to point out his mistake vs Neal multiple times.
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Talk to me about Fantenberg's highlights and plays. Find them for me on YouTube since I had a hard time when I searched for them.

Is Fantenberg a better hockey player than MacDermid? Sure. I'll definitely pick him over Mac in a non-contact pick-up game. He will be more responsible with the puck for sure, as noted by their respective giveaway numbers. Mac started to struggle with that near the end of his time in LA which was a big part of him being sent down.

Half of Fantenberg's points were on the PP and I'm not sure he will get any PP time this year, although maybe they play him over Phaneuf in that role to help reduce Dion's minutes. He offers absolutely zero at even strength except getting walked around and out muscled.

You bring up his AHL stint like it was good. Maybe Regulate can chime in on it. He was pretty brutal in AHL playoffs from what I remember.

I'm not huge on giving a concrete value to intangibles when it comes to arguing between players; however, when that player is as limited as Fantenberg, intangibles do come into play. Mac's are off the charts and he is much better at the skills of hitting and enforcing than whatever Fantenberg is best at. Due to this, I'd prefer to have Mac as the #7 and deploy him as necessary v. having Fantenberg in the same position. Now, if Brickley is fantastic in camp and LaDue plays well enough, they both might be sent down.

I want the best team out there. On a night-to-night basis in the "new" NHL, Fantenberg over MacDermid makes sense. Since we are talking a #7, I want Mac in that spot which was the premise of my original post: I don't want to lose that option v. keeping Fantenberg in that role. If Fantenberg is actually our #6 next season and plays like he did last year, then I'm not as happy with our defense as I am right now heading into the season.

As for Jan Vopat v. Visheau, give me Visheau all day. At least he helped make the '99 season less of a brutal watch.
 
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BigKing said:
Wait a second. You are going to tell me that Fantenberg played mistake free hockey in Game 2? Get out of here with that. Just because he played a ton of minutes doesn't make it "mistake free".

Great moments? Ok. I think the great moment is that he played a ton of minutes in a game that Quick was the main reason he got to play all of those minutes.

The defining moment for Fantenberg in the playoffs was getting juked on a Bantam-level move by James Neal for the back breaking goal in Game 3.

Yes, I don't like him as a player as he doesn't do anything particularly well and is not good at playing defense; this is a problem since he is a defenseman. Looks like he is going to be given a shot so I hope he plays better and will gladly eat my words if he does but I'll be perfectly fine if he isn't even Kings property after training camp.

If a guy is supposed to be an offensive defenseman, he needs to be really good at offense if he is going to be trash at defense. Funny that Modry was brought up since I was probably the biggest Modry hater around. Legendary for it in my section. I'd take Modry every day over Fantenberg.
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Bolded the part that shows you have absolutely zero idea of how hard that move is to actually execute.
 
Beyond all that the maybe biggest problem with Fantenberg is that he's also LHD. So much redundancy there for all roughly similar skillsets.


Ziggy Stardust said:
Is anyone here going to miss Andy Andreoff and whatever it was that he did?
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I'm sure we can find someone to miss the net on sure goals and get superman punched. After all, we did have John Zeiler.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Bolded the part that shows you have absolutely zero idea of how hard that move is to actually execute.
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Come on man. I can make that move on command and my best days are far behind me. Simple pivot and shield.

The strength of Neal (ugh, I feel dirty saying that) and weakness of Fanta on display there.

 
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Dexter Sinister said:
Hey does anyone remember the old (and I do mean old) jumbo tron video the Kings used to play where some of the players were shown as dinosaurs? Matt Johnson was the T-Rex, Vladimir Tsyplakov was the Pterodactyl and there was another player, but I don't remember who it was or what dinosaur the other dinosaur was. Just a random memory that popped into my head.
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I remember that - and have no idea who was the other dinosaur...
 
I would really like to see Kempe take a big step next year. I think he has the ability to be a 55 point player.
 
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