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Please don't denigrate people for not knowing hockey when you seem to be hand waving the fact that not only do Clifford and Thompson not drive the play and not score, but also can't even do things that energy fourth liners should do like:

Wear down opposing lines in their zone with a strong forecheck
Win Fights
Make game changing big hits
Protect Star Players

In fact, the only thing I think Clifford and Thompson could possibly do well is in the intangibles you're talking about, like being nice guys in the room and "leaders".

Not only are they not good modern 4th liners, they aren't even good classic fourth liners. Thompson especially.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Does it work both ways? If you put me on block, does that I mean I don't have to put up with your idiotic analysis or do I have to block you as well?
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You seriously can't stop talking out of your ass.

Im trying to end the dialog here and you're still being a miserable :eek::eek::eek::eek:.
 
lexlavender said:
Please don't denigrate people for not know hockey when you seem to be hand waving the fact that not only do Clifford and Thompson not drive the play and not score, but also can't even do things that energy fourth liners should do like:

Wear down opposing lines in their zone with a strong forecheck
Win Fights
Make game changing big hits
Protect Star Players

In fact, the only thing I think Clifford and Thompson could possibly do well is in the intangibles you're talking about, like being nice guys in the room and "leaders".

Not only are they not good modern 4th liners, they aren't even good classic fourth liners. Thompson especially.
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No, I said there was nothing wrong with being a fan that doesn't know the game....his problem, as I see it, is that he tries to offer up analysis as he knows the game and is deadly wrong about it.

As to your list, first, the easy one, fighting is declining and on the out, not all 4th liners are going to make game changing big hits, protect star players? again, thing that's going out...but if they are on the ice when something happens, they do,

The first thing is the only valid point you have, and you if you think Cliffords career as a whole, Im not talking about the 4 games hes played, hasn't been forecheck driven, I dunno what to tell you.
 
Stay healthy JQ. You probably can't save this ship from sinking, but maybe Rob Blake will throw you a life preserver.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
No, I said there was nothing wrong with being a fan that doesn't know the game....his problem, as I see it, is that he tries to offer up analysis as he knows the game and is deadly wrong about it.

As to your list, first, the easy one, fighting is declining and on the out, not all 4th liners are going to make game changing big hits, protect star players? again, thing that's going out...but if they are on the ice when something happens, they do,

The first thing is the only valid point you have, and you if you think Cliffords career as a whole, Im not talking about the 4 games hes played, hasn't been forecheck driven, I dunno what to tell you.
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If you admit there's no place for classic fourth liners, and admit that they also don't score and don't drive play, then why should they be on our team for reasons besides being good dudes?
 
lexlavender said:
If you admit there's no place for classic fourth liners, and admit that they also don't score and don't drive play, then why should they be on our team for reasons besides being good dudes?
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Well, first of all, the "classic" 4th liner, is changing, it's not about making the big hit, protecting star players, or fighting anymore.

Second of all, I said it before, I will say it again, they are on the team, Thompson especially, because there is no one else that can do what he does right now, and soon as there is....he will be/should be gone. He wins faceoffs, and kills PK, that's his job, he's not expected to score 20 goals a season etc,

Clifford, is a bit more tricky, I think when/if Wagner proves that he can be defensively responsible you will see Clifford shipped out/waived etc and Wagner will take his spot and try to move up in the line up etc,

Long answer short, Kings don't have any players that can take their positions...YET.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Why?
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Good question.Well, he’s available and well talked about in the press for up and coming coaches. A lot of that is based on his role in developing young Swedes like Rasmus Dahlin and his success with team Sweden. He played and coached junior hockey in the USA before coaching so he’s good with the language and culture.

Not likely for Stevens to get fired much less replaced by a European coach, but who knows, maybe he could replace nachbaur and put some internal heat on Stevens.
 
Dexter Sinister said:
It's sad, the Sol vs. GoldenBearHockey saga is more entertaining than the product on the ice.

Carry on....:popcorn:
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If I could like this I would, sadly I got an infraction for saying "Leafs fans and Ottawa fans are the worst in the league ". I posted that on our own boards and some leafs fan reported me. I thought you were safe to trash talk on your own boards
 
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DoktorJeep said:
Good question.Well, he’s available and well talked about in the press for up and coming coaches. A lot of that is based on his role in developing young Swedes like Rasmus Dahlin and his success with team Sweden. He played and coached junior hockey in the USA before coaching so he’s good with the language and culture.

Not likely for Stevens to get fired much less replaced by a European coach, but who knows, maybe he could replace nachbaur and put some internal heat on Stevens.
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Yeah, I have no faith in Nachbaur. The PP he's constructed is awful. Him and Stevens must go.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Stay healthy JQ. You probably can't save this ship from sinking, but maybe Rob Blake will throw you a life preserver.
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I will always root root root for Quick, but I hate that his play can make Stevens look like a genius, like Gibson has for Anaheim so far.



Dexter Sinister said:
It's sad, the Sol vs. GoldenBearHockey saga is more entertaining than the product on the ice.

Carry on....:popcorn:
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More fight on these boards than on the team these days, have a drink boys.
 
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Bandit said:
Maybe you two should go **** it out for all our sakes?
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Can't I'd tell him to go to the half wall and wheel it, and he'd be so damn confused he wouldn't get there
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Hmm. One of those cases where the filter makes it impossible to understand the concept. I'm not sure that hockey was what was being suggested there. I think it was more like f***. As in, "I'd like to f*** Kate Upton."
 
So who could be possible coaching candidates once Stevens is fired?
Vigneault comes to mind...I would even take Melrose over Stevens at this point! They would still lose with Melrose, but at least he would have some personality. Stevens is just a total dead beet!
 
SherVaughn30 said:
So who could be possible coaching candidates once Stevens is fired?
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If it's like 90% of Luc/Blake hires it will be someone who played for the Kings in the late 90'/early 00's.

Dave Joseph:"The Head Coach of your Kings is Bryan Smolinski, his assistants are Yanic Perreault and Vladimir Tysplakov"
 
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Thankfully I missed the game last night as I am out of town on business and it was not available on any of the channels in my hotel room. A 7-2 ass whipping from the NYI is not very encouraging. I realize with Kopitar out of the lineup it would not be easy, but they should have showed more than this.

I don't think this last game is indicative of the team being this awful, but it does show many of these guys are resting on past laurels, or just are no longer good enough. Unfortunately for Rob Blake, I think the time has passed for him to get real value from some of the vets he should be seeking to move in a trade at some point this season. Now things are worse than they needed to be had he heeded Branch Rickey's axiom of "It's better to trade them a year too early than a year too late."

The reasons for that sentiment must be all too obvious now. Unless Doughty is a total fraud (I want to play for cups -- don't want to go through another rebuild), I expect for him to ask for a trade at some point. Not this season, but somewhere down the line. Should Doughty consider such a request, he better start playing much better, because other teams won't want to pay his fat contract for what he is producing right now.

This is a playoff bubble team (maybe not even that good). There will be no quarter given to the Kings by other NHL teams. Many players on other teams have long memories and they won't mind kicking the Kings in the ass when they are down. These players better strap it on, or they are going to get embarrassed in some of these games.

By the way Luc if anyone is reading this for you. We are no longer saying Luuuuuuc! Those are boos.
 
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