Rumor: 2018-19 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits

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S a r c a s m

My apologies. My sarcasm detector was deactivated.

 

[KINGS17]

As Kempe/Amadio are showing greater proficiency as centers, I'm definitely on board with trading Carter.

My issue has always been "don't trade players just for value". As the 2nd line center gets adequately filled, Carter can either be moved to wing or traded.

What did waiting to trade Carter get the Kings? Less value, and that's if they move him at all. Luc is going to ride this rocket all the way into the ground. Now is the time to deploy the parachute for a softer landing.

The Kings didn't need a bona fide 2C over the last few years, because the Kings were not contenders. All they have done is delay the inevitable.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Geez - we have one OT loss and people are talking about trades the Kings should have made? I’ll join in - let’s trade Drew and Kopi now, their value won’t be higher. SMH

 

[KINGS17]

Geez - we have one OT loss and people are talking about trades the Kings should have made? I’ll join in - let’s trade Drew and Kopi now, their value won’t be higher. SMH

Geez, it's not like this hasn't been going on for 3-4 years.

 

[kilowatt]

Geez, it's not like this hasn't been going on for 3-4 years.

We were predicting the apocalypse in 2012 and 2014, too. You never know what can happen.

 

[AlphaBravo]

The perfect situation leading up to the trade deadline will be if Carter is scoring goals, and Vilardi is recovered from his injury. With Carter scoring, he will have good trade value, and Vilardi/Kempe/Amadio can cover the second/third center positions. We are not contenders this year, so might as well unload some of the vets to give the younger players playing time and opportunities.

Despite all the crap Vancouver got, I like their rebuild. They kept some vets, got young players, and tried to stay as competitive as possible during the rebuild. I believe the Bruins also took a similar approach. I think going full dumpster fire in order to win the lottery is a risky move. Kings should keep Kopitar, Brown and Doughty, and try to move the rest of the vets for younger players.

 

[Moses Doughty]

Makes more sense and I'd be less upset if true. Honestly, if a winger needs to sit it should be Lewis. He was a dumpster fire on Friday.

I'd still keep in Lewis for speed/PK abilities. Clifford is kind of...there

 

[Sol]

Crazy that Stevens said something so f***ing stupid. I hope he wasn't serious.

 

[KINGS17]

We were predicting the apocalypse in 2012 and 2014, too. You never know what can happen.

No, "we" were not predicting apocalypse in 2012. The question then was if the young leadership on the Kings could figure it out. Lombardi had been bringing in some veteran leadership in Richards, Williams, Mitchell, etc., and they figured it out. Any comparisons between now and 2012-2014 are not valid.

 

[yankeeking]

No, "we" were not predicting apocalypse in 2012. The question then was if the young leadership on the Kings could figure it out. Lombardi had been bringing in some veteran leadership in Richards, Williams, Mitchell, etc., and they figured it out. Any comparisons between now and 2012-2014 are not valid.

Comparisons are not valid the situations are different but 2012 was bitch after bitch about the team until March basically

 

[King'sPawn]

What did waiting to trade Carter get the Kings? Less value, and that's if they move him at all. Luc is going to ride this rocket all the way into the ground. Now is the time to deploy the parachute for a softer landing.

The Kings didn't need a bona fide 2C over the last few years, because the Kings were not contenders. All they have done is delay the inevitable.

I've said it before. You trade Carter, you have to replace him. You either:

1. Have to have a young player replace him, which would put them in over their heads
2. Overpay for someone who can fulfill the same role
3. Bring in a vet who's in over their head and keep them in a black hole

I don't see what's contentious about holding onto core players until their roles are appropriately filled internally. Selling off players just to get max value isn't wrong, but it's not the only way. It just hurries the process along you wanted.

Taking a more methodical approach definitely isn't mock worthy with your tone.

 

[kingsholygrail]

This also implies you're going to get what you want for Carter.

 

[Sol]

Let's hope Carter becomes good again. He looked like shit last season, and has been generally underwhelming again preseason to now.

Hope that's just rust, if this is the player he is today, trade him for a first later during the year.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We should have traded Carter before he got a fluke tendon injury by skate. Probably should have traded Voynov before his domestic abuse incident too. After all, his value would never have been higher. And should have traded Mike Richards after the 2013 playoffs. And signed and traded Gaborik. And thank god we had the foresight to wait for Brown to bounce back because now that he's a 60 point guy and not captain he'll be easy to get max value for. And sign and trade Doughty too. Man, what could a Hart finalist Kopitar get us?

Only problem with all of the above is it requires a crystal ball, 100 million dollars, and being okay with your fans watching a team go from multiple Cup winner to immediately back into the lottery because it's the 'smart' way to do things.

If that sounds f***ing stupid, it's because it is, and there's a whole lot of grey area between that and going for it all in in which posters don't deserve to be mocked.

This organization's MO is clearly to not tank yet and it's okay if that's incongruent with your team-building philosophies. Especially given the last Cup champion did everything 'wrong' and won as an older team. If that doesn't make people put a sock in the "blow it up and rebuild by tanking is the only way" line though I guess nothing will.

 

[KINGS17]

Comparisons are not valid the situations are different but 2012 was ***** after ***** about the team until March basically

Not by me. I was recommending patience in 2012. It was still a very young team.

 

[KINGS17]

I've said it before. You trade Carter, you have to replace him. You either:

1. Have to have a young player replace him, which would put them in over their heads
2. Overpay for someone who can fulfill the same role
3. Bring in a vet who's in over their head and keep them in a black hole

I don't see what's contentious about holding onto core players until their roles are appropriately filled internally. Selling off players just to get max value isn't wrong, but it's not the only way. It just hurries the process along you wanted.

Taking a more methodical approach definitely isn't mock worthy with your tone.

...or bring in a Handzus type bridge player on a short term deal. Never intended to mock you KP.

 

[KINGS17]

We should have traded Carter before he got a fluke tendon injury by skate. Probably should have traded Voynov before his domestic abuse incident too. After all, his value would never have been higher. And should have traded Mike Richards after the 2013 playoffs. And signed and traded Gaborik. And thank god we had the foresight to wait for Brown to bounce back because now that he's a 60 point guy and not captain he'll be easy to get max value for. And sign and trade Doughty too. Man, what could a Hart finalist Kopitar get us?

Only problem with all of the above is it requires a crystal ball, 100 million dollars, and being okay with your fans watching a team go from multiple Cup winner to immediately back into the lottery because it's the 'smart' way to do things.

If that sounds ****ing stupid, it's because it is, and there's a whole lot of grey area between that and going for it all in in which posters don't deserve to be mocked.

This organization's MO is clearly to not tank yet and it's okay if that's incongruent with your team-building philosophies. Especially given the last Cup champion did everything 'wrong' and won as an older team. If that doesn't make people put a sock in the "blow it up and rebuild by tanking is the only way" line though I guess nothing will.

You don't need a crystal ball when you are posting it two years ago. More than one person was on board with moving Carter back then. It's revisionist history to say otherwise, and Carter's injury last season has nothing to do with it.

 

[King'sPawn]

...or bring in a Handzus type bridge player on a short term deal. Never intended to mock you KP.

Sorry if I sounded sensitive.

But Handzus signed for 4 years at $4 million, which is equivalent to about $6+ million. Which brings back the whole point of overpaying for an inferior player.

 

[Bandit]

I'd still keep in Lewis for speed/PK abilities. Clifford is kind of...there

I’m nt saying I’d banish Lewis to Siberia, but after that first game he could stand to sit for one and reflect on his performance.

 

[kilowatt]

I’m nt saying I’d banish Lewis to Siberia, but after that first game he could stand to sit for one and reflect on his performance.

It was the first game of the season and Lewis has been consistent for the past decade. If that doesn’t earn you a second game, I don’t know what does.

 

[Bandit]

It was the first game of the season and Lewis has been consistent for the past decade. If that doesn’t earn you a second game, I don’t know what does.

Being prepared to start the season. He's a vet, he shouldn't be falling on his ass all game. Again, not saying douse him in gasoline and light him on fire, but he was easily one of the Kings worst wingers. As I said, if you have to sit a winger, Lewis would be my choice.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You don't need a crystal ball when you are posting it two years ago. More than one person was on board with moving Carter back then. It's revisionist history to say otherwise, and Carter's injury last season has nothing to do with it.

More than one person was also on board with moving Kopitar back then as well.

Throw enough stuff at a wall, especially with an older player, and eventually you'll be right. But can you imagine if last year's Caps did things the 'right' way?

 

[kilowatt]

More than one person was also on board with moving Kopitar back then as well.

Throw enough stuff at a wall, especially with an older player, and eventually you'll be right. But can you imagine if last year's Caps did things the 'right' way?

Same with Vegas - I guess we could fold the franchise and come back in a couple years as an expansion team. Worked pretty well for the Knights.

 

[Herby]

Clifford should never be guaranteed a line-up spot. He can play whenever Stevens feels he will add something to the lineup, but it should be evaluated on a game by game basis. But for to long he has just been penciled into a bottom six spot, no matter how poorly he played. That is hopefully coming to an end.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Clifford should never be guaranteed a line-up spot. He can play whenever Stevens feels he will add something to the lineup, but it should be evaluated on a game by game basis. But for to long he has just been penciled into a bottom six spot, no matter how poorly he played. That is hopefully coming to an end.

That's looking like the case now that the parts seem to have more of their own identities. Clifford brought--and still does--things that no other bottom sixer does, but at least now some others have uniqueness as well, like Wagner's speed, JAD's skill, Amadio is Nick Shore on roids, and when we're healthy, someone like Iafallo/Kempe/Vilardi will get jammed down the lineup as well, giving us the depth some of the top contenders have where a top-sixer actually gets pushed down to top-9.