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Wolf Pack only have 2 preseason games (both vs. Bridgeport)... curios to see how long Fwd guys like Carey, Catenacci, Kosmarchuk, Fogarty, Stromwall and a few others stay in NY.
News Article: 2017 Training Camp & Pre-Season Discussion
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He could be an invite to HWP camp, per Eliteprospects he hasn't played elsewhere yet
.. same with Petit, Smith, Moore
Also EP projects Werbik to play at Younstown again but no games yet
Just saw a replay of the Islanders game. Agree with everything that has been said.
A few notes.
Neal Pionk was great with the puck, but I also want to point out that he plays a very solid defensive game. Calm and collected, very good position and timing in how he moves. Keeps a good distance. I would have zero problems playing this kid in the NHL right away.
Antony DeAngelo will mix a little bad with all good, he is a little jittery and tries to do too much at times. OTOH, he is still a rookie. Don't think he would need a lot of time to settle down. I NY he would mostly play with the same guys on a shift by shift basis. Now he is neck to neck in tough competition with some good players. New org. With a guy like Tony D you can keep him on the outside and ask for mistake free hockey and wait in vain like Carolina have done with Ryan Murphy, or you can just focus and his strengths and let the other parts of his catch up as you move forward. I am definitely for ADA starting in the NHL. You need to afford these kids time to grow into the league..
Lias Andersson didn't have a bad game, but he can do more. Should do more, get a little more time with the puck. First game out of the way -- let's see him build on this!
Biggest disappointment for me is probably Boo Nieves. Was in great shape last season and made a push in Camp, then had nearly the entire season destroyed with injuries. He did well and will always do well in those situations where he gets to streak down the ice with the puck, but he showed very little in other areas. AV really likes -- and it's so valuable in the game today -- if a player can be more heady with the puck. Make decisions, think as a part of a 5 man unit. I would like Boo to be able to do more than this, I was expecting more too, he isn't a rookie anymore. Thought Gabe Fontaine was better than him.
I like Lettieri, but engine is an issue. Doesn't cover a lot of ice.
I like Ryan Graves, always have. I think his first step stood out the most to be all game to be honest. He gets going really well, which is impressing for someone 6'5. I also thought that he was just really good defensively, our best defensive player after the captain. Strong and just very solid and effective. Has some issues when he gets up in the play -- like all Ds must be able to do nowadays -- and then has to head back again. Still lacks a bit of agility in those areas, can learn to evaluate situations a little better to avoid those races back up ice facing his own goalie. I wouldn't mind seing Graves in the NHL this season at all.
JT Miller played a really good game, he is getting a big shot at a big role, he looks like he wants to take a run at it. Great to see!
McD is fantastic!
Nash wants to get paid. Looking good.
Ziba got a cold? How surprising, I am sure he really stuck to hockey and prepared perfectly for camp as usual... How is his new single doing? Sorry, I am just joking.
But...
A few notes.
Neal Pionk was great with the puck, but I also want to point out that he plays a very solid defensive game. Calm and collected, very good position and timing in how he moves. Keeps a good distance. I would have zero problems playing this kid in the NHL right away.
Antony DeAngelo will mix a little bad with all good, he is a little jittery and tries to do too much at times. OTOH, he is still a rookie. Don't think he would need a lot of time to settle down. I NY he would mostly play with the same guys on a shift by shift basis. Now he is neck to neck in tough competition with some good players. New org. With a guy like Tony D you can keep him on the outside and ask for mistake free hockey and wait in vain like Carolina have done with Ryan Murphy, or you can just focus and his strengths and let the other parts of his catch up as you move forward. I am definitely for ADA starting in the NHL. You need to afford these kids time to grow into the league..
Lias Andersson didn't have a bad game, but he can do more. Should do more, get a little more time with the puck. First game out of the way -- let's see him build on this!
Biggest disappointment for me is probably Boo Nieves. Was in great shape last season and made a push in Camp, then had nearly the entire season destroyed with injuries. He did well and will always do well in those situations where he gets to streak down the ice with the puck, but he showed very little in other areas. AV really likes -- and it's so valuable in the game today -- if a player can be more heady with the puck. Make decisions, think as a part of a 5 man unit. I would like Boo to be able to do more than this, I was expecting more too, he isn't a rookie anymore. Thought Gabe Fontaine was better than him.
I like Lettieri, but engine is an issue. Doesn't cover a lot of ice.
I like Ryan Graves, always have. I think his first step stood out the most to be all game to be honest. He gets going really well, which is impressing for someone 6'5. I also thought that he was just really good defensively, our best defensive player after the captain. Strong and just very solid and effective. Has some issues when he gets up in the play -- like all Ds must be able to do nowadays -- and then has to head back again. Still lacks a bit of agility in those areas, can learn to evaluate situations a little better to avoid those races back up ice facing his own goalie. I wouldn't mind seing Graves in the NHL this season at all.
JT Miller played a really good game, he is getting a big shot at a big role, he looks like he wants to take a run at it. Great to see!
McD is fantastic!
Nash wants to get paid. Looking good.
Ziba got a cold? How surprising, I am sure he really stuck to hockey and prepared perfectly for camp as usual... How is his new single doing? Sorry, I am just joking.
But...
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
You know, it's funny. I run into people who likes Nieves and I just don't seem to see as much as others do. The kid has wheels and good size, but he just lacks in so many different areas to me. He doesn't have the hands, doesn't have the vision, and his speed covers for a lot of times where he just doesn't seem to have a good grasp on what the heck is going on around him. This is now a 23 year old kid whose career high goals at ANY level is 10. I think he has a shot to play in the NHL as a fourth liner, but even then I just don't see him being amazing at the role.
I've watched this kid for five years, going back to the USHL, and every time I just don't "see it."
Ziba got a cold? How surprising, I am sure he really stuck to hockey and prepared perfectly for camp as usual... How is his new single doing? Sorry, I am just joking.
I'm reminded of something a buddy of mine, who works for the Leafs, said this past spring, "Zibanejad doesn't quite understand just how good he can be. He seems like the type who plays hockey because he likes it and is good at it, but it's not the activity he'd pick if there were other options on the table."
E-Train
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Nice recap Ola.
I liked what I saw from Graves last night. Good mobility and confidence with the puck. They've developed him the right way with 150 AHL games.
I liked what I saw from Graves last night. Good mobility and confidence with the puck. They've developed him the right way with 150 AHL games.
Are you guys just trying to dance around saying "he got drunk and is hungover and isn't dedicated to hockey" or what.
most likely all those guys are in hartford for the start of pack camp. we would need a bunch of injuries up front for any of them to have a real shot at the big club right now
NYR94
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The thing I liked most about Andersson's game last night was his ability to move the puck in tight spaces.
eco's bones
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I think Nieves would do alright in a 4th line role right now. As long as you didn't expect to much offense. It's not so much that his skills are bad--his size and the way he can move up the ice with the puck remind me of Petr Nedved. The problem is what he does with the puck when it's time to shoot or make a play. His creative instinct kind of sucks. He passes up shooting opportunities way too much. He forces plays that aren't really there. When you do the same things over and over you're an easy read.
The other part of his game though away from the puck is pretty good. The guy can skate and he could become a very good checking line player. I really do believe that.
I'm not feeling it with Nieves.
He's got the wheels and size but can't finish a play.
More importantly, he doesn't know what blue paint is yet still gets hurt all the time.
All aboard the Graves train.
Granted it's only one game and I may have a different opinion by the end of TC but so far he's my pick.
He's got the wheels and size but can't finish a play.
More importantly, he doesn't know what blue paint is yet still gets hurt all the time.
All aboard the Graves train.
Granted it's only one game and I may have a different opinion by the end of TC but so far he's my pick.
On Boo.. he's not a shooter... very predictable.. and can't seem to get that you need to shoot the puck.... very passive character.. and to your point, the hockey IQ isn't there for a wanna be playmaker. Athletically... he's got NHL tools. The head and the hands aren't there.
Guys who don't score more than 10 goals below the NHL level aren't going to score more than that at the NHL level... or even make it. Only the tough guys make it with that output... and they're going the way of the Dodo.
On Zibs:
Very true, the Canadians know that about him... not the first time I've heard that... OTT got fed up for that reason... They couldn't get that next step out of him.
The talent is there to be a top line player that can hit 70 points.
Chytiljuice can skate... he can really fly. Scouts didn't see it in a slow Czech men's league... but that U-18 Czech team did some damage in their National team tourneys.
He wasn't on the radar as a first rounder until the U18s... and then he rose on every draft chart... that's a consensus from the scouts... when you have that.. you have a good player.
It's the same with Pionk, before the signing I said he'd be the best UFA the Rangers could get... at the time nearly all 30 teams were scouting him for a contract.... 25 tried to sign him. Was spectacular in the Frozen Four tourney.
Rangers went with winners... or guys that competed hard in big games.
Son of Anders with the SHL championship.
Chytiljuice at the U18s.
Pionk during the frozen four.
All good signs.
Graves also had a hell of a memmer during his last season.
They put a lot of stock into big game performances at the junior/minor pro level.
He wasn't on the radar as a first rounder until the U18s... and then he rose on every draft chart... that's a consensus from the scouts... when you have that.. you have a good player.
It's the same with Pionk, before the signing I said he'd be the best UFA the Rangers could get... at the time nearly all 30 teams were scouting him for a contract.... 25 tried to sign him. Was spectacular in the Frozen Four tourney.
Rangers went with winners... or guys that competed hard in big games.
Son of Anders with the SHL championship.
Chytiljuice at the U18s.
Pionk during the frozen four.
All good signs.
Graves also had a hell of a memmer during his last season.
They put a lot of stock into big game performances at the junior/minor pro level.
Irishguy42
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This is the name we're going with now?
I approve.
Once the pronunciation was clarified... yes. I'm hoping to see that speed to back it up.
NYR Viper
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I think Nieves, right now, could be a 20 point 4th line player. Top PKer. Probably 5g and 15a. At 23 I think he could approve from there.
I'd take Fontaine as a top PKer... I was at the game last night... Fontaine isn't ready offensively... the stick wasn't always down to receive a pass on the breakout...
But he was flawless on the PK... very sharp hockey sense.. the switches, the gap coverage when his teammates moved... how he communicated with Desjardins when pressuring... that was well done.
One Nieves, he's an easy kid to root for being a local boy... but I just don't see it outside of him carrying the puck up the neutral zone.
It was a very choppy game without any pace, so I can't say it's anything close to full NHL speed... but I think Boo will need to reinvent himself into a 4th liner instead of fancying himself as a cutsie playmaker.
Size and speed quotient is there... but the battle level... there were much better candidates for the 4th line role... I saw a very passive player with little skill... not a 4th line guy.
Farnham showed more... Lias showed a lot more... Fontaine too.
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How has Crawley looked? Do you have any idea of what the Rangers' plans for him (he can go to the AHL or go back to London for an OA season).
I always feel wary when people say "guy could be a star if he just tried harder!" and things like that.
Zibs does have a lot of skill, but that doesn't mean that his life outside of hockey is holding him back or that he doesn't care enough...he's like Kreider I feel in that there are times when he finds himself just watching the play because he's getting caught up processing what's going on. I'm not really sure there's a way to "fix" that and be on always 100% of the time, and I believe that's far far more the issue with guys like him than "not focusing enough on hockey" or something.
Call it talent of the head, or hockey iq, or whatever. I think some people just get frustrated when they see a player with a lot of talent not being able to utilize it all for whatever reason, so they make up excuses rather than just acknowledge maybe the physical talents just don't match up with the mental talents and never will no matter how dedicated a player is.
Nieves would probably do better if he just started shooting the puck all the time
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Just saw a replay of the Islanders game. Agree with everything that has been said.
A few notes.
Neal Pionk was great with the puck, but I also want to point out that he plays a very solid defensive game. Calm and collected, very good position and timing in how he moves. Keeps a good distance. I would have zero problems playing this kid in the NHL right away.
Antony DeAngelo will mix a little bad with all good, he is a little jittery and tries to do too much at times. OTOH, he is still a rookie. Don't think he would need a lot of time to settle down. I NY he would mostly play with the same guys on a shift by shift basis. Now he is neck to neck in tough competition with some good players. New org. With a guy like Tony D you can keep him on the outside and ask for mistake free hockey and wait in vain like Carolina have done with Ryan Murphy, or you can just focus and his strengths and let the other parts of his catch up as you move forward. I am definitely for ADA starting in the NHL. You need to afford these kids time to grow into the league..
Lias Andersson didn't have a bad game, but he can do more. Should do more, get a little more time with the puck. First game out of the way -- let's see him build on this!
Biggest disappointment for me is probably Boo Nieves. Was in great shape last season and made a push in Camp, then had nearly the entire season destroyed with injuries. He did well and will always do well in those situations where he gets to streak down the ice with the puck, but he showed very little in other areas. AV really likes -- and it's so valuable in the game today -- if a player can be more heady with the puck. Make decisions, think as a part of a 5 man unit. I would like Boo to be able to do more than this, I was expecting more too, he isn't a rookie anymore. Thought Gabe Fontaine was better than him.
I like Lettieri, but engine is an issue. Doesn't cover a lot of ice.
I like Ryan Graves, always have. I think his first step stood out the most to be all game to be honest. He gets going really well, which is impressing for someone 6'5. I also thought that he was just really good defensively, our best defensive player after the captain. Strong and just very solid and effective. Has some issues when he gets up in the play -- like all Ds must be able to do nowadays -- and then has to head back again. Still lacks a bit of agility in those areas, can learn to evaluate situations a little better to avoid those races back up ice facing his own goalie. I wouldn't mind seing Graves in the NHL this season at all.
JT Miller played a really good game, he is getting a big shot at a big role, he looks like he wants to take a run at it. Great to see!
McD is fantastic!
Nash wants to get paid. Looking good.
Ziba got a cold? How surprising, I am sure he really stuck to hockey and prepared perfectly for camp as usual... How is his new single doing? Sorry, I am just joking.
I agree completely with the bolded. I thought Fontaine and Nieves looked like similar players, with Fontaine being more impressive to me. Still hoping to see more out of Boo, I'm just not sure if there's anything else there. I agree with Edge, I'm not sure I see it. Fontaine is a similar player, 3 years younger and already looks better to me.
Problem for Nieves is that he did all 4 years of college and should be ready to step into the NHL, not look like he still has a lot of developing to do with the puck. Realistically that means he probably never will develop that, so the question is whether he can be useful enough in other areas to overcome that. Not sure it'll happen with the Rangers
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AHL player, if he really improves. He's lucky they kept him in the AHL last season.
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