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Along with Bereglazov, Day and Crawley are still in the group. Anyone else (besides Chytil) with the group, but not on the ice in these first two games?

Want to see Day and Crawley against NHLers, even if it might not be too pretty.

Zborovskiy.

Not a big deal any of these guys aren't getting games. We have too many defensemen for them too, otherwise I think they would've.

I would've taken away the preseason games from players like Pedrie, Gilmour, maybe even Kampfer who's of no use to our NHL team anymore, but there weren't many spots to begin with, so if these guys got games, the younger guys were not getting them.
 
How has Crawley looked? Do you have any idea of what the Rangers' plans for him (he can go to the AHL or go back to London for an OA season).

He's not gotten into a preseason game so far. The younger defensemen, Crawley, Day and Zborovskiy have not. We have too many defensemen to begin with, so the younger defensemen probably won't get any preseason games.

He did well at the Prospect tournament. Our team was disappointing. He was one of the few players who wasn't disappointing.

Really too early to tell for sure what the plan is for him. If it was obvious he's going back, I think they would've sent him back already. They sent back some junior players, including some players who the fans might've ranked as better prospects than Crawley. If I was to guess, its two for one spot between Crawley and Day in the AHL. The other goes back to Junior.
 
Problem for Nieves is that he did all 4 years of college and should be ready to step into the NHL, not look like he still has a lot of developing to do with the puck. Realistically that means he probably never will develop that, so the question is whether he can be useful enough in other areas to overcome that. Not sure it'll happen with the Rangers

Yeah, and its a bit unfortunate because I do think he has it in him, but due to coaching and the environment he has been in he has developed a habit of way to much relying on his ability to "skate like a horse". Which is fine, its a good ability. Blair Betts played a number of years in the league thanks to that ability. But that cannot be the only tool in your toolbox so to speak when it comes to solving situations in your own end and getting up ice.

Boo has by all accounts really really devoted himself which is so important. But when it comes to his style and processing of the game he has kind of derailed a bit. The coaches should like tie his legs together with a 3 feet rope enabling him to move on the ice but not skate fast, and have him play with it for a month... The thought process is just not there. You never see him move in the defensive zone to get open for a short simple pass to another player. He is on cruise control only looking for an oppertunity to put his head down and streak up ice to get the puck deep.

Mikos- Yeah, and I bet that Chytil has done some serious growing just the last 6-12 months. With how young he is, I am assuming that just 12 months ago he was a pretty lanky and undeveloped kid physically (ie when going into last season as a 16 y/o).

With that said, he was always -- unless I am mistaken -- ranked very high for being a Czech kid. The Czech have had really few top 4 round picks the last 10 years. What can the average be, 3-5 per year in the top 4 rounds? Few 1st rounders. From a NHL draft perspective, its correct to talk about him as a big riser and some can even say that he came out of nowhere etc. But in the Czech Rep he was still very much on the radar, but I think many teams dropping in on them occasionally saw a young kid being an alright player, but I definitely would bet that many didn't quite grasp his progress during the course of last season and then was caught a bit surprised when he exploded at the end in the U18. If you at that point have a thick book on some other kid you like, it takes a lot to change strategy in April-May on someone that surprised you late and you haven't quite kept a great track of.
 
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Are you guys just trying to dance around saying "he got drunk and is hungover and isn't dedicated to hockey" or what.

Nah, definitely not, I was mostly joking to start with and I am sure he wasn't hung over. And like -- anyone -- can get a cold. Especially this time of the year

With that said, that depending on how well you take care of yourself, some NHLers are like 20x as likely to get that cold than others. Ziba has a history of showing up to camp in bad shape like we have discussed before. Last year when returning from a broken leg he had better test values than going into camp. With instagram and what not you see what these guys are doing -- Ziba is constantly on a flashy vaccation some where across the globe, rock festival in Sweden, back in Ottawa, NY, Sweden all over the place. His g/f is some fashionista instagrammer celebrity. The feed must be fed, every week. Ziba is tagging along.

AV called out Ziba at the end of last season for a reason. He can do better than he have. I hope he has this summer, I can't tell if he has or hasn't. But when I see that he was the only one of 60 guys who got himself a cold directly when camp started -- I do to a little degree feel like "oh what a surprise...."
 
I'd take Fontaine as a top PKer... I was at the game last night... Fontaine isn't ready offensively... the stick wasn't always down to receive a pass on the breakout...

But he was flawless on the PK... very sharp hockey sense.. the switches, the gap coverage when his teammates moved... how he communicated with Desjardins when pressuring... that was well done.

One Nieves, he's an easy kid to root for being a local boy... but I just don't see it outside of him carrying the puck up the neutral zone.

It was a very choppy game without any pace, so I can't say it's anything close to full NHL speed... but I think Boo will need to reinvent himself into a 4th liner instead of fancying himself as a cutsie playmaker.

Size and speed quotient is there... but the battle level... there were much better candidates for the 4th line role... I saw a very passive player with little skill... not a 4th line guy.

Farnham showed more... Lias showed a lot more... Fontaine too.

Nieves reminds me of Freddie Sjostrom. He's not going to be a world beater, but in a specific 4th line/PK role I think he can be a nice depth piece. I could be wrong. Also, transporting the puck up the ice is a valuable skill for any 4th line. The old Boyle lines were very good at retrieving pucks and transporting it down the ice and creating an offensive zone face off.

I like Fontaine A LOT, but I agree on all points you made. I think a year or two in the AHL and his game may continue to round out a bit more. No need to rush.

Andersson has more hockey IQ already at 18 than Nieves does at 23. No disputing that. The question is, would Andersson be better served by getting big minutes elsewhere over playing on this teams 4th line wing or center? I think so
 
Are you guys just trying to dance around saying "he got drunk and is hungover and isn't dedicated to hockey" or what.

There are guys who are zeroed in on hockey and it's what they do - Lundqvist, Zucc, Miller; in the past players like Messier, Richter, etc.

Then there are guys who you wonder if they're hockey players mainly because it was the thing they're best at. There are at least two guys who immediately come to mind in that regard, and for better or worse, the Rangers are looking at them as potentially their top two centers.

That's not to say they are out partying and drinking, it's to say that the mental prep isn't always there, nor is the physical prep. In fairness, some guys develop that mindset with time - Brian Leetch and Rick Nash come to mind. But there are other guys who are good, but have reputations as never quite doing all the homework that they should be doing.
 
To be fair Edge, Hayes trains pretty hard in the offseason by all accounts. But that is not to say his hockey IQ is great because he has gone brain dead in the past three playoffs.
 
Yeah, and its a bit unfortunate because I do think he has it in him, but due to coaching and the environment he has been in he has developed a habit of way to much relying on his ability to "skate like a horse". Which is fine, its a good ability. Blair Betts played a number of years in the league thanks to that ability. But that cannot be the only tool in your toolbox so to speak when it comes to solving situations in your own end and getting up ice.

Boo has by all accounts really really devoted himself which is so important. But when it comes to his style and processing of the game he has kind of derailed a bit. The coaches should like tie his legs together with a 3 feet rope enabling him to move on the ice but not skate fast, and have him play with it for a month... The thought process is just not there. You never see him move in the defensive zone to get open for a short simple pass to another player. He is on cruise control only looking for an oppertunity to put his head down and streak up ice to get the puck deep.

Here's the thing though, I don't consider it being derailed. I'm not sure it ever was on the rails. Going back to the USHL days, Nieves is all about speed. There's not a single category other than speed, and later size, where I can comfortably rank Nieves above average. Certainly not hockey sense, not defensive awareness, or any other category in his own zone.

I feel that when watch him play for 10 minutes, I've essentially seen what there is to see - great wheels. For all the talk about guys like Sjostrom, we tend to forget that those guys also put up some points at lower levels too. We also tend to forget that he played for four teams over an NHL career that was done shortly after his 28th birthday.

I think Nieves could potentially make it as a journeyman, because of his great wheels and size. And for whatever reason there's usually one guy in our system who gets a fair amount of attention on the boards, despite a limited upside. I feel like Nieves is that guy for us now. Can't say I totally understand it, but I'll roll with it.
 
To be fair Edge, Hayes trains pretty hard in the offseason by all accounts. But that is not to say his hockey IQ is great because he has gone brain dead in the past three playoffs.

He's started to and I give him a lot of credit for that, though I would probably note his reputation for prepping still isn't great around the organization.

Sometimes the issues we see are a hockey IQ issue and sometimes it's a bit of prep.

Within the organization, Hayes is seen as a being a bit like Baby Huey. Sometimes, improved physical training and all, there have been some head scratching moments as well.

When we talk about prep, it's perfectly alright to have activities outside of hockey. Henrik Lundqvist is a prime example of this.

However, it tends to rub people the wrong way if a guy, for example, spends more doing an outside activity than working on some of the things the team wanted him to.
 
Nah, definitely not, I was mostly joking to start with and I am sure he wasn't hung over. And like -- anyone -- can get a cold. Especially this time of the year

With that said, that depending on how well you take care of yourself, some NHLers are like 20x as likely to get that cold than others. Ziba has a history of showing up to camp in bad shape like we have discussed before. Last year when returning from a broken leg he had better test values than going into camp. With instagram and what not you see what these guys are doing -- Ziba is constantly on a flashy vaccation some where across the globe, rock festival in Sweden, back in Ottawa, NY, Sweden all over the place. His g/f is some fashionista instagrammer celebrity. The feed must be fed, every week. Ziba is tagging along.

AV called out Ziba at the end of last season for a reason. He can do better than he have. I hope he has this summer, I can't tell if he has or hasn't. But when I see that he was the only one of 60 guys who got himself a cold directly when camp started -- I do to a little degree feel like "oh what a surprise...."

The bolded could be describing Lundqvist, you realize that right? And he's a (future) hall of famer.
 
He's started to and I give him a lot of credit for that, though I would probably note his reputation for prepping still isn't great around the organization.

Sometimes the issues we see are a hockey IQ issue and sometimes it's a bit of prep.

Within the organization, Hayes is seen as a being a bit like Baby Huey. Sometimes, improved physical training and all, there have been some head scratching moments as well.

When we talk about prep, it's perfectly alright to have activities outside of hockey. Henrik Lundqvist is a prime example of this.

However, it tends to rub people the wrong way if a guy, for example, spends more doing an outside activity than working on some of the things the team wanted him to.

Sports is funny and I feel like if guys stayed off social media but still did all the activities, they'd be given a lot more slack. The appearance of not being committed is more important than the reality...

And again, what's the real hurdle for these guys? Take someone like Kreider, who we've gone on and on about in terms of his consistency...from all accounts the guy works incredibly hard. He doesn't take time off in the summer, he's always getting ready for next season, he's probably the closest to hockey robot Sydney Crosby that the Rangers have in terms of work ethic and preparation, but he hasn't "put it all together" to match the talents people think he has.

Zibanejad...does he really have skills that are so much better than Kreider's? Not as good a skater, probably better stickhandler but shot is debatable, passing probably better...he's still a 50 point player, would being a hockey robot bump him up to 70+ points? Or is it something that can't be solved by total dedication to hockey?

Who knows, and I can understand some frustration in that people feel "well if he doesn't try the total dedication then we'll never know if that's what he needed", but as I said I also often feel that people overrate or expect too much out of certain players because they ignore the real ceiling of a player and focus on what they think is their top upside.

I dunno, just spitballing around. I guess my point is I often wonder how much the reputation of a player is used as an excuse when people feel they're not reaching their full potential instead of acknowledging that maybe that perceived full potential is not realistic. I like Zibs, I'm not actually sure anything I've seen out of him skill wise makes me think he's a 70+ point player. That would be a top 10 center in the entire league going by points, ahead of some pretty good players and just behind guys like Seguin, Getzlaf, etc. I'm not convinced Zibanejad is that level of talent, I'm not convinced he is that "sky's the limit!" kind of talent.

60 odd point potential top 20 center? I could see it. 70+ I don't
 
RE: Hayes, feels like a guy who had things come easy in his first year and he didn't quite get the things he needed to do for subsequent years. Feels like he learned some bad habits that he is still trying to break re: holding the puck too long, etc. It can work out great sometimes but he has struggled in the playoffs because he doesn't have enough time to play the style he keeps wanting to play and he hasn't changed it yet. I think I'd say he needs to be learning how to speed up his decision making with the puck and know when to hold it and when to move it or attack more aggressively. He likes to hold up, sit back and find openings. When competition gets tougher, the time to do that disappears and you have to be able to be more aggressive and make things open up.

He does seem kind of like a doof but how much is prep work and how much is just being a doof...
 
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Interested to see Chytil. For some reason I keep wondering if he might end up on the wing at the NHL level but I want to see how he plays to get a feel for whether he seems more like a center or a wing
 

That last link is nice to see. AV basically said that Shattenkirk is getting top pairing minutes assuming his defense is up to par.

Can see Smith getting a bump.

I like the fact that I'm not reading article after article of AV praising Staal and Staal being recognized as some god damn warrior for simply making it through an offseason
 
Zborovskiy.

Not a big deal any of these guys aren't getting games. We have too many defensemen for them too, otherwise I think they would've.

I would've taken away the preseason games from players like Pedrie, Gilmour, maybe even Kampfer who's of no use to our NHL team anymore, but there weren't many spots to begin with, so if these guys got games, the younger guys were not getting them.

Just because he wasn't drafted.....the Rangers like Pedrie and he is an older probably more ready player than Zborovskiy and certainly Crowley to their eyes. I seriously doubt Crowley's going to get any preseason games. Gilmour had a crap year. I'm kind of surprised that he does get this game but hey...if they wiped the slate clean that happens. Kampfer is an important player in the organization. He's signed on for two years pretty much to mentor the young D in Hartford and to fill in in emergency situations in New York--if needed.

Day is a guy I'd like to see. I'd rather him than Zborovskiy or Gilmour. Hopefully that happens.
 
That last link is nice to see. AV basically said that Shattenkirk is getting top pairing minutes assuming his defense is up to par.

Can see Smith getting a bump.

I like the fact that I'm not reading article after article of AV praising Staal and Staal being recognized as some god damn warrior for simply making it through an offseason

He hasn't been too crazy about #18 ...

But, yes, I definitely agree with your first two points.
 
The bolded could be describing Lundqvist, you realize that right? And he's a (future) hall of famer.

Actually it's the complete opposite, every summer Hank has headed back to Gotenburg and hanged out with his bro on the coast at the families summer place. He has then started skating really really early and hard his entire career.

Hank tries to give impression of that rock star image, playing bass with Jonny McEnroe. How many times per year to you think looks into a bottle? 2? 3? 4?

Hank is the perfect citizen. He is married to his g/f he met when he played for Frolunda. Never been single in NY. Kids and family.
 
Actually it's the complete opposite, every summer Hank has headed back to Gotenburg and hanged out with his bro on the coast at the families summer place. He has then started skating really really early and hard his entire career.

Hank tries to give impression of that rock star image, playing bass with Jonny McEnroe. How many times per year to you think looks into a bottle? 2? 3? 4?

Hank is the perfect citizen. He is married to his g/f he met when he played for Frolunda. Never been single in NY. Kids and family.

I just mean it's dangerous to judge someone by their social media.
 
Levitate- Nah, I don't buy that. Put in the work and it pays off. Sure, players can still had other issues, but you really need to go for it.
 
NOW FOR MY THIRD POST IN A ROW

Interested to see Chytil. For some reason I keep wondering if he might end up on the wing at the NHL level but I want to see how he plays to get a feel for whether he seems more like a center or a wing

You're right--his play will dictate what happens.

If his 2-way play, speed, and vision all translate to the NHL, I think he's better off at center. If he bulks up right, he'd be fine battling down low and then skating back out to catch up with the play.

If he becomes more of an offensive threat in the pro game, a winger might be the better fit.
 
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