WC: 2017 Team Finland
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Well he is actually really good tournament player. Only thing what they need to do is same as what they did with Kontiola. Play him as a wing like they did with Granlund at Minnesota. He is really good with the puck offensively if you make him as a wing. Everyday i would change him for Jma. Aaltonen. He is just out of control.
Obviously there won't be any changes before this tournament ends. We're stuck with Marjamäki for the ride.
After that, though, well... there are no obvious picks available. There are two options I see.
1. Jukka Jalonen makes a comeback for one season and handles the job part-time, having a double role with Jokerit. After that, they sign Karri Kivi.
2. Liitto pays a pooton of money to Ilves to get Kivi right away.
Karri Kivi without any question. He just needs couple more years... so do our young players... so we have to just wait.
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It will/would be mid tourney when he could get there.
He's painfully slow for NHL and flight while having no time to adjust would make him even slower.
How effective can he be?
He's painfully slow for NHL and flight while having no time to adjust would make him even slower.
How effective can he be?[/QUOTE]
2015 Wolrd Championship at Belarus, he took Finnish team kind of alone to hes shoulders and we need to wake up some hope to this team. He actually can do it. Idk if he can make difference anyway but this team really need someone who is leading this it. He is that kind of guy.
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2015 Wolrd Championship at Belarus, he took Finnish team kind of alone to hes shoulders and we need to wake up some hope to this team. He actually can do it. Idk if he can make difference anyway but this team really need someone who is leading this it. He is that kind of guy.
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There is no need for new guys here. Worse the result the better. Marjamäki needs to retire, take some office hour paper desk job in the Association or go to find the passion for the game as a coach of LeKi or something rural and backwoods, so, to repeat, worse the results the better. The guy must go. This team is no match for U.S, Can, Swe, Rus or even Czechs anyway. Good riddance, mr. Nice Guy, Larry Berry Hill.
Törmänen should be available, though he'd be a massive departure from recent tradition stylistically, and quite a big gamble in general. I'd guess Tapola could also be persuaded to take the job, though he's not exactly a well-liked character among fans. I don't know if either would take the job just for a year waiting for Kivi to take over tough, so it might end up being a better option to just hold on for another year... Or maybe we should just go with the HFBoards dreamteam of Juhani Tamminen, Raimo Summanen and Lasse Kukkonen behind the bench.
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Lehterä was awful as wing in WCup and only played moderately halfway non-awfully as the C.
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Are you joking?.
Törmänen is available but he doesn't have any coaching experience for national team level.
Finnish hockey association never bring that-kind coach to senior national team.
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It's 2017, often you can find Blues fans dreaming of Blues getting rid of him. He's been garbage and so damm slow, and again the tourney is already going. He'd have no time to adjust.
I must say, I'm far less optimistic after last night's game than I was after the France loss. And why? Well, it's hockey - or more like any sports - 101: You should never judge a team based on how it's at its worst, because that tells nothing of its true chances. Instead, it should be judged based on what it can do at its best.
After seeing the former on Sunday, I believe we saw the latter last night. And, well... it really wasn't all that much. Now, we're not bottom feeders, and have all the tools needed to reach the QF, there's no question about that. But from there, we'd be needing Lady Luck as our sixth player for full sixty minutes instead of just the first twenty.
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Was there anything positive? Well, one little thing. We all know by now who we here at HFBoards consider this year's Root of All Evil (more commonly known as the Lasse Kukkonen Trophy, an award won by Tuukka Mäntylä in 2015 and Mikko Koskinen in 2016), but there's one thing we could give our defamed coach credit for. Did ya'll notice who they put out there to take the penalty shots? Late's game plan may never be proven as nothing but garbage, but you can't say he doesn't trust the kids.
After seeing the former on Sunday, I believe we saw the latter last night. And, well... it really wasn't all that much. Now, we're not bottom feeders, and have all the tools needed to reach the QF, there's no question about that. But from there, we'd be needing Lady Luck as our sixth player for full sixty minutes instead of just the first twenty.
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Was there anything positive? Well, one little thing. We all know by now who we here at HFBoards consider this year's Root of All Evil (more commonly known as the Lasse Kukkonen Trophy, an award won by Tuukka Mäntylä in 2015 and Mikko Koskinen in 2016), but there's one thing we could give our defamed coach credit for. Did ya'll notice who they put out there to take the penalty shots? Late's game plan may never be proven as nothing but garbage, but you can't say he doesn't trust the kids.
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Artorius Horus T
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This is 100% on Marjamäki and his coaching staff.
We have great players,goalies,young and "old".
We have had success in the present,
past and most likely in the future,in all 3 age groups.
We have had great players and coaches for several
decades now,we are still in the top 3-5 in the world,
nothing has changed that.
This Marjamäki tenure does not reflect on Finland
how we are as a hockey country and no one should
think otherweise.
We should all forget this Marjamäki period ASAP and move on.
We have great players,goalies,young and "old".
We have had success in the present,
past and most likely in the future,in all 3 age groups.
We have had great players and coaches for several
decades now,we are still in the top 3-5 in the world,
nothing has changed that.
This Marjamäki tenure does not reflect on Finland
how we are as a hockey country and no one should
think otherweise.
We should all forget this Marjamäki period ASAP and move on.
FinnLightning26
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Exactly. This is a transition phase and the ghosts of the lost generations (age groups ~1985-1991) are still haunting us. Also, the dogmatic thinking, i.e. Meidän Peli, needs to go.
Karri Kivi has done very well recently and seems to be really good with underdog teams. He should replace Marjamäki ASAP.
Yeah Aho seems tired. Which makes me wonder maybe the youth which declined really just felt to be out of gas.
Ari Moisanen who has been goalie coach in KHL for some years, gave interview where he critizes Finnish training. "Many Finnish players are shocked abot the training culture in Russia" (free translation). Overall the interview has some strong opinions, but I find it interesting.
http://kiekkoareena.fi/jutut/leijonien-entiselta-maalivahtivalmentajalta-tiukkaa-tekstia-ei-siihen-voida-tuudittautua-etta-voitetaan-18-vuotiaissa-mitaleita
In early 90´s Russian coaches brought the crueling 11 months training program to Finland. I´m not suggesting that they would bring that back, but at the time it helped lot of our "golden generation" players to get ready for their careers. It actually raised some pretty average talents to different level. Lot of them are giving credit to the Russian coaches from the time. Personally I believe that it was one the biggest reasons that Finland clinched to the "big six".
Okay after sleeping night over i have to say that everyone is over reacting. We have to look behind results now. We had no change to win anything in the Wold Cup. All teams there was better in paper without any question.
2014 we went to final against Russia, even that we were already actually out of the tournament before Switzerland saved our *****. There is still change to do that.
Actually reality with Finnish hockey fans is just [MOD]. People really thinks that we are really something close to Kanada or Russia. That is just freaking joke. We had last year actually best players we could have to playing this tournament. It is just unreal to ask them come every year. How many at team Canada or Russia played all tournaments WC, Wold Cup 82nhl games and again this year WC?
Finnish best players need some also some rest, practicing summers and more important get healthy in the Summers. I can´t blame Marjamaki for that. [MOD]
Just freaking check out time to time how tired Aho is... he should be taking vacation and training. He is in that age.
I´m done
2014 we went to final against Russia, even that we were already actually out of the tournament before Switzerland saved our *****. There is still change to do that.
Actually reality with Finnish hockey fans is just [MOD]. People really thinks that we are really something close to Kanada or Russia. That is just freaking joke. We had last year actually best players we could have to playing this tournament. It is just unreal to ask them come every year. How many at team Canada or Russia played all tournaments WC, Wold Cup 82nhl games and again this year WC?
Finnish best players need some also some rest, practicing summers and more important get healthy in the Summers. I can´t blame Marjamaki for that. [MOD]
Just freaking check out time to time how tired Aho is... he should be taking vacation and training. He is in that age.
I´m done
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We just need to hope that Finland doesn't score couple goals in the first 10 mins of the game in next games and stop playing for the rest of the game as a result of that. Same stuff happened too many times in EHT and practice games now.
I was positively surprised how Marjamäki trusted in our young guns for the shootout even though it didn't pay off but I respect that decision. Perhaps Filppula could've been one of the shooters, maybe the first one. Easy to say now of course. I'm just glad the young guns did it over Aravirta's suggestion Kemppainen and can't remember which one of them suggested Pyörälä. I believe JMA's name was also suggested. Yeah I'm sure JMA would stop his drought there. NOT.
We need sauce
. I'm posting this late and still no hints of this in the media.
Yes please. I'll take any of these options.
I was positively surprised how Marjamäki trusted in our young guns for the shootout even though it didn't pay off but I respect that decision. Perhaps Filppula could've been one of the shooters, maybe the first one. Easy to say now of course. I'm just glad the young guns did it over Aravirta's suggestion Kemppainen and can't remember which one of them suggested Pyörälä. I believe JMA's name was also suggested. Yeah I'm sure JMA would stop his drought there. NOT.
We need sauce
. I'm posting this late and still no hints of this in the media.Yes please. I'll take any of these options.
Artorius Horus T
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Okay after sleeping night over i have to say that everyone is over reacting. We have to look behind results now. We had no change to win anything in the Wold Cup. All teams there was better in paper without any question.
2014 we went to final against Russia, even that we were already actually out of the tournament before Switzerland saved our *****. There is still change to do that.
Actually reality with Finnish hockey fans is just [MOD]. People really thinks that we are really something close to Kanada or Russia. That is just freaking joke. We had last year actually best players we could have to playing this tournament. It is just unreal to ask them come every year. How many at team Canada or Russia played all tournaments WC, Wold Cup 82nhl games and again this year WC?
Finnish best players need some also some rest, practicing summers and more important get healthy in the Summers. I can´t blame Marjamaki for that. [MOD]
Just freaking check out time to time how tired Aho is... he should be taking vacation and training. He is in that age.
I´m done
I apologise if what i'm about to write will hurt your feelings,
but.....what ever.
1) Over reacting ?!? **** ***
2) World Cup ?!? - at last world cup we came 2nd,
relatively speaking, we had better roster 2016 what we had
2004,so we should of at least do the same, no matter
what of the different tournament systems. Team Europe
went to finals 2016 with weaker roster than of the two.
It was not about the roster on paper,nothing wrong with
our roster vs others,was all about coaching (system,tactics)
and those horrendous line up combinations
3) 2014? .... you kidding right? did you even watched those
worlds? oh btw. who gives a flying ****,the talk is about
2017 worlds
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Swede coming in peace, Finnish hockey is so polarizing, either you play for regulation or you are in the finals. I rather have a couple of golds and some ********* tournaments, than i Swedens case, always rock the group stage and then have a "honorable exit" against fin/rus/can/us. We have the worst head coaches in forever, Grönborg and Marts combined have had their hands on the best crop of young talents and players for a decade, and yet we have won only one gold in that time, which was home venue and against the Swiss in the final. Thats is flat out embarrassing.
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Yet you never flat out suck and collapse from the get go like the Finns can do. Be happy.
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Core of that team
2004 Our Goalie:
Kiprusoff (best in the wold at that time)
Defence:
Salo (Stanley Cup Finalist)
Numminen (Retired by Jets)
Timonen (Stanley cup finalist&winner)
Lydman (Top 2defender Buffalo)
Niinimaa (Top defender Edmonton)
Pitkänen (Top defender Philadelphia)
+2shutdown defenders
Offence:
Selänne (Stanley Cup winner. Olympic all time best player) Freaking hall of famer.
Koivu (Habs Captain)
Lehtinen (Stanley Cup winner)
Jokinen (80+points producer)
Nemo (Stanley Cup winner)
Peltonen at his prime
So this year we had:
Rask is world class goalie.
Ristolainen (Maybe next year going to be top 10 defender in the wolrd)
Määttä (Stanley cup winner) Maybe top4
Offence:
Teräväinen
Filppula
Donskoi
and there we go. Check out your facts dude. Someone would say that we had a "bit" experienced and better team tho. ?
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That's because it's not a done deal yet. But I know if said player ends up not coming, it's not because he didn't want to.We need sauce
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Then to other matters. I know last game deflated me a bit, but I still think we should stay positive. Nothing's lost yet.
A hypothetical question, which one would you prefer?
A. The current situation, with a lame regulation win from Belarus, a shock humiliation from France and an embarrassing OT loss to Czechia...
B. Two OT wins from Belarus and France, and a regulation loss to Czechia?
In the latter scenario, we would have at least won the two we were expected to win, and lost to the team it's "allowed" to lose. While we'd still be gritting our teeth to only barely get bast the weaker sisters, I bet most of us wouldn't be fuming like this.
However, what would be the difference in the standings? Yep, that's right - none. We'd still have four points.
However, in scenario B we wouldn't have all of our heavy NHL hitters in the same line as they should be, Pulju would still be the 13th forward, and the management would be dragging their toes about making any changes, because they'd be believing that things will improve any moment now.
Instead, now we have the fixes we wanted in place, and I bet the management is far more sensitive to any problem spots there still may be left. Marjamäki did some adjustments to our offense after the France game, and now the game versus the Czechs made it clear our defence may need some reorganizing as well. So in that sense, I rather have Jaakola gifting the Czechs an equalizer here than him doing it two weeks later in the waning minutes of the QF.
Another positive we should take from the France humiliation is that it's almost guaranteed they won't go to any of the upcoming games poorly motivated and with [MOD] open, and like that make it even more difficult for us and themselves.
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You just keep seeing Marjamäki in some kind of positive light. I really don't understand how it is even possible. The reason for Finland sucking so badly against France was not because they were [MOD] in that game, but because of the idiotic overly passive and overcoached playstyle that slows down the team play at both ends of the ice for Finland and takes all the creativity away from the offensive play and the power play. God damn nihilistic approach that does not suite well for the hard working Finnish mentality.
With Marjamäki as coach they give every Goddamn opponent the control of the game way too easily. And especially after Finland takes the lead. Gutless approach that deserves nothing good really...
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