WC: 2017 Team Finland

[FiLe]

In all reality he isn't going to be kicked in the middle of the tournament. It's something that's not even worth the talk. But I sure hope Liitto is going to think hard for the Olympics. It's such a big tournament that it shouldn't be hard to find quality finnish coach for that.

Easy to agree. This is Marjamäki's tournament, no way around it. And he deserves the chance to show he can still turn this around. It's all I've been saying.

If the result is less than adequate after the final horn in the tournament-ending game, then we can start talking about a possible replacement. In fact, that even seems probable in that situation.

Marjamäki may have been a bit on the wrong track this season, but I still like to remain optimistic and figure this was the wake-up call he needed instead of the final herald of impending doom. He already said he's going to rethink the lines. It'll be interesting to see what he comes up with.

Knowing that it's highly unlikely he shuffles the deck completely, I'd like to see something like this...

Aho - Filppula - Rantanen
Savinainen - M.Aaltonen* - Pihlström
Pyörälä - Kemppainen - Puljujärvi
Hännikäinen - Lajunen - Osala

*Aaltonen is the de facto C here, but Pillu can still take faceoffs.

One mistake I must comment on is opting for Lajunen for 4th line C instead of Sallinen, since our 4th line looked pretty good with him in those final EHT games. But that's not really a major one, since most of us treated them interchangeably before the games. He's someone they can still try - or not, if we get something better from overseas (namely, Lehterä).

 

[Raimo Sillanpää]

If he's kicked out, who would replace him? Realistically speaking.

Jukka Jalonen didnt do so well at Jokerit, Roman & Hjallis might be open to letting him go. Törmänen is practically fired too. Hannu Aravirta is free. Don Tami is in Paris already, mid-tournament he'd be the best choice but worst choice overall.
I'd go dream about Jalonen, settle for Aravirta.

 

[FiLe]

Ask, and ye shall get.. 07.05.2017

Funny. I wasn't aware that this was the game that cost us the entire tournament.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Lmao what an overreaction. It's just a one game. If the whole tournament goes badly then yes kick Marjamaki and get someone else for olympics. It's not like Jalonen's road to gold was all smooth sailing.

Congratz for France a blowout win. Finland has never lost this badly in Football against France.

Just about one game? Have you watched Finland at all this year in EHTs? It's been this bad since he got a job. Good for Marjamäki that Belarus managed to be even worse, even they had a decent chance of beating his team tho. I can't believe there are still guys defending him... are you a fan of Kärpät by any chance?

 

[FiLe]

Lmao what an overreaction.

It's pretty much what you can expect at HFBoards though. Thank god this fickle bunch doesn't actually decide about coaching changes.

And once more, with emphasis: It's perfectly fine to call for the coach's head in the tournament post-mortem if you feel like it. But it's really silly (I could also use a word that's lot more crass here) to do it when the tournament is underway and nothing's lost. This team has at minimum five games left.

 

[Icejoker]

I think Osala is the strongest player, he should be in front of PP. I think they have to split Filppula , Aho. Aho is better as center.

 

[Raimo Sillanpää]

Funny. I wasn't aware that this was the game that cost us the entire tournament.

You asked for a major disater, I looked in the dictionary and this was the definition provided

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

It's pretty much what you can expect at HFBoards though. Thank god this fickle bunch doesn't actually decide about coaching changes.

And once more, with emphasis: It's perfectly fine to call for the coach's head in the tournament post-mortem if you feel like it. But it's really silly (I could also use a word that's lot more crass here) to do it when the tournament is underway and nothing's lost. This team has at minimum five games left.

It's been this bad since he got a job. I will bet my house that the trend will not magically turn around in a few games. With a different coach there could be a chance.

 

[FiLe]

You asked for a major disater, I looked in the dictionary and this was the definition provided

You didn't really counter my comment. Since when has a single game that cost us nothing been a major disaster?

 

[FiLe]

It's been this bad since he got a job. I will bet my house that the trend will not magically turn around in a few games. With a different coach there could be a chance.

Maybe. But doesn't still change the fact how friggin' silly (again, a placeholder for a more rude term) it is to rage mid-tournament. Save it for the post-mortem. You might even see me join the choir then, if things are bad enough.

And once more, nobody gives a rat's backside about the EHT. Citing those games as an excuse to rage is heckuva weak one. Those games are for experimenting, and not all experiments are positive.

 

[rduck1]

You didn't really counter my comment. Since when has a single game that cost us nothing been a major disaster?

Being blown out by France is a disaster of some degree. Whether it's major or minor is a matter of semantics, though you are correct in that it isn't tournament ending. I do also agree that one result isn't enough to fire anyone on the spot, though it is one of those things that the coaches should be expecting a fairly unpleasant conversation with their employers after the tournament is over.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

5 goals in 5 international games so far for Marjamäki's teams. Lmao... overreaction? My reaction is for absymal defending, attacking, lineups and guys like JMA getting in. Even Juhani Tamminen would do a better ****ing job. Embarrasing and ****ing inexcusable. Nothing else than sacking him is a right thing to do.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

And once more, nobody gives a rat's backside about the EHT. Citing those games as an excuse to rage is heckuva weak one. Those games are for experimenting, and not all experiments are positive.

What about World Cup? Yeah, I did not expect wonders, but I was hoping the team score more than 1 ****ing goal.

 

[Lataba76]

Maybe. But doesn't still change the fact how friggin' silly (again, a placeholder for a more rude term) it is to rage mid-tournament. Save it for the post-mortem. You might even see me join the choir then, if things are bad enough.

And once more, nobody gives a rat's backside about the EHT. Citing those games as an excuse to rage is heckuva weak one. Those games are for experimenting, and not all experiments are positive.

Since Marjamäki in office: Wrong World Cup of Hockey,wrong EHT and now wrong WC.This are arguments enough for a cut.
Tomorrow could be the next history chapter? Highest lost since.................

 

[FiLe]

Since Marjamäki in office: Wrong World Cup of Hockey,wrong EHT and now wrong WC.This are arguments enough for a cut.

Like I told Raimo, I wasn't aware this is a "wrong" WC yet. It may be one when all is said and done - and like I said this, too, already, if it is, then it's okay to discuss about replacing Marjamäki.

I mean, I know you guys are mad, but jeez, a little reading comprehension, please?

 

[FiLe]

What about World Cup? Yeah, I did not expect wonders, but I was hoping the team score more than 1 ****ing goal.

I didn't personally give a rat's backside about that plastic gimmick either. Though here I must emphasize the word personally.

I'm still happy that the cacophonic choir here isn't in charge of hiring or sacking coaches. But no worries, I'm sure Liitto will do that decision post-tournament if required.

 

[rduck1]

I'm still happy that the cacophonic choir here isn't in charge of hiring or sacking coaches.

I too am thankful for that; I've seen a lifetimes worth of "turbulent" managent from fickle and relatively uninformed parties as an HIFK supporter ...

 

[QnebO]

Fire him and use a player coach. Kukkonen gets that role. If a pro coach is then found, fine.

 

[illone84]

This is a real **** storm.

Please shuffle the lines and get Pulju in a top 6 role. The kid looked real good in the 3rd period.

In regards to the other side of the pond, I hope Lehterä comes over, but I doubt he does.

I'm sure we won't get passed the qf, but at this point, I just don't want these guys to play in the regulation round, and obviously I want them make it to the qf. lol

 

[mattihp]

Filppula looks like he is pouting out there, like the role he is given makes him unable to turn a game around, even against France. He is doing his best, but he is held to a weird role.

I think several of the key players have too many specific instructions. Hopefully some of the older players voice their concerns with the coaching.

 

[FiLe]

I'm sure we won't get passed the qf, but at this point, I just don't want these guys to play in the regulation round, and obviously I want them make it to the qf.

I take it you mean "relegation". And if so, I've good news. This team won't play in the relegation round for sure.

Because there is no relegation round in the men's WHC. The worst-placed team in each pool is automatically relegated.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Hopefully some of the older players voice their concerns with the coaching.

This was actually the case with the u20 team this year: players actually started to rebel against the scouting staff. They criticized the head coach openly in interviews and contacted straight to the union for demanding of firing him. I'm trying not to compare our junior national team to the men's team, but there are lots of similarities in coaching style with Marjamäki and Rautakorpi. Just not suited for short projects when there are no advantages to physical training and detailed tactics (lol).

 

[FiLe]

Filppula looks like he is pouting out there, like the role he is given makes him unable to turn a game around, even against France. He is doing his best, but he is held to a weird role.

Some players roles' and line compositions have indeed been a bit odd. The thing is, I know I'd never personally set 'em up like that, but I've been finding it hard to criticize them either, because some of that stuff is so alien that I've no means of telling how they've historically worked. But now I'm starting to think that while Marjamäki obviously has some great vision, it doesn't really seem to be working.

In theory, turning things around shouldn't even be that difficult. First is finding line combinations that work. The second is that the coach swallows his pride, lets go of the wheel, allows the players to play more with their instincts, simply making sure that there are the right guys out there in any given situation.

The latter part especially is why I said it's simple in *theory*. Because practice, well... sometimes coaches can be funny like that.

 

[FiLe]

They criticized the head coach openly in interviews and contacted straight to the union for demanding of firing him.

There were some between-the-lines implications in interviews, but that latter part's plain BS. I'm not saying they were all fine and dandy with the coach, but there's simply no means they can suddenly ring up Liitto and tell 'em they want to get rid of him.

 

[illone84]

I take it you mean "relegation". And if so, I've good news. This team won't play in the relegation round for sure.

Because there is no relegation round in the men's WHC. The worst-placed team in each pool is automatically relegated.

True. Yep, that's what I meant. Relegation, rather.

Ok, that's good, thanks for clarifying.