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LSCII said:
While I don't think it will ultimately change anything that's going on, they have to fire JF so the blame will finally be correctly shifted over to Dembrowski. The fact that JF has remained here for so long despite being a terrible manager is due to DD liking the ready made scapegoat/buffer from the blame, IMO.
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I agree. Much like Julien last year. New GM kept the coach around to have someone to blame if his moves went sour.

To some extent though, I disagree with your overly negative view on this team. This team is easily good enough to win this division and absolutely be a top 3 MLB team this season. Having every bullpen arm he added end up needing surgery is either bad luck or awful doctors, but not sure how much to blame DD. Otherwise the roster, though not perfect, is definitely better than they've played.

I think the overall sloppy efforts is indicative of a need for a new manager. This is a much better team than what they're showing.
 
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bp13 said:
I agree. Much like Julien last year. New GM kept the coach around to have someone to blame if his moves went sour.

To some extent though, I disagree with your overly negative view on this team. This team is easily good enough to win this division and absolutely be a top 3 MLB team this season. Having every bullpen arm he added end up needing surgery is either bad luck or awful doctors, but not sure how much to blame DD. Otherwise the roster, though not perfect, is definitely better than they've played.

I think the overall sloppy efforts is indicative of a need for a new manager. This is a much better team than what they're showing.
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I'm not overly negative about the team at all. In fact, I agree with you. It's far better than they've played and my expectations for them are much higher than 4th place. I'm not down on them at all, other than for their apparent lack of effort most games. I think DD screwed up by not expecting Papi's absence to be what it is. I think he also messed up on the Pomeranz deal. Not by getting Drew, but by overpaying to get him, if that makes sense. And I know that Epsinoza hasn't exactly been lights out, but his value was still much higher than Drew Pomeranz'. I also think he bricked it by expecting Pablo to be able to replace Travis Shaw, given Pablo's disinterest in staying in shape and his love of eating.
 

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I think DD screwed up by not expecting Papi's absence to be what it is.
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I think he knew exactly what to expect. The whole world did. The problem was, there was no real solution IMO. What better move could he have made to replace his production?

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I think he also messed up on the Pomeranz deal. Not by getting Drew, but by overpaying to get him, if that makes sense.
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Agreed

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I also think he bricked it by expecting Pablo to be able to replace Travis Shaw, given Pablo's disinterest in staying in shape and his love of eating.
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He had zero to do with Pablo's signing/overpayment. I think it's obvious his hands were forced into trying to make it work by the folks upstairs, given how much they sunk into that signing.
 
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Seidenbergy said:
I think he knew exactly what to expect. The whole world did. The problem was, there was no real solution IMO. What better move could he have made to replace his production?



Agreed



He had zero to do with Pablo's signing/overpayment. I think it's obvious his hands were forced into trying to make it work by the folks upstairs, given how much they sunk into that signing.
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Yep, he certainly did inherit Pablo. Not his mistake at all. The mistake he made involves not having a decent backup ready for when Pablo got hurt or too fat to play.
 

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Yep, he certainly did inherit Pablo. Not his mistake at all. The mistake he made involves not having a decent backup ready for when Pablo got hurt or too fat to play.
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Tough to invest a lot more in the position given the $ already thrown at Panda and the fact that the heir apparent may be ready within a year.
 
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Tough to invest a lot more in the position given the $ already thrown at Panda and the fact that the heir apparent may be ready within a year.
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Meh. It's the Sox. They have the money. It makes zero sense to have a $202 million dollar payroll and leave yourself short at 3rd base. Either go all in or don't, but you don't get to use money as an excuse for not doing something. They literally print money over there.
 
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Xander Bogaerts continues to have one of the most unique seasons. He's hitting .320 and has an .820 OPS, but he hasn't homered, and his defensive metrics are poor, with minus-8 defensive runs saved (he had minus-10 DRS all of last season). -- David Schoenfield, ESPN.com
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http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/page/powerrankings_2017week7/ranking-mlb-teams-week-7-season

Do you guys agree that so far the Red Sox have not played like the top 10 team (that will win the World Series) we know they are?
 

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He did hire Jim Leyland in Detroit.
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and When Leyland left there was put into an advisory role, LSC, remember who owns that Tigers franchise until just recently, hint, also owns the Red Wings, and much of the downtown there in Detroit....

point is, Leyland has said since he never wanted to be a field manager again after the stints in Pittsburgh, Miami and the Tigers, that's why he left all 3 teams when he did.....
 
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and When Leyland left there was put into an advisory role, LSC, remember who owns that Tigers franchise until just recently, hint, also owns the Red Wings, and much of the downtown there in Detroit....

point is, Leyland has said since he never wanted to be a field manager again after the stints in Pittsburgh, Miami and the Tigers, that's why he left all 3 teams when he did.....
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Yeah, so? Leyland may have said he never wanted to be a manager again, but he was in Detroit and he was very successful. He's also a very good manager and had been where ever he went. Which is in direct conflict with your point about DD not being good at hiring managers. Except for the time he was, I assume is what you meant. :laugh:
 

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Yeah, so? Leyland may have said he never wanted to be a manager again, but he was in Detroit and he was very successful. He's also a very good manager and had been where ever he went. Which is in direct conflict with your point about DD not being good at hiring managers. Except for the time he was, I assume is what you meant. :laugh:
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but Leyland is still under contract in Detroit, in that advisory role :shakehead
 
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but Leyland is still under contract in Detroit, in that advisory role :shakehead
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I'm not saying to get Leyland. I'm saying you made a blanket statement that he was not good at hiring managers. So I pointed out that he has hired good managers in the past.

BTW, he hired Leyland twice, actually. Florida and Detroit.
 

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I'm not saying to get Leyland. I'm saying you made a blanket statement that he was not good at hiring managers. So I pointed out that he has hired good managers in the past.

BTW, he hired Leyland twice, actually. Florida and Detroit.
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YOU'RE not hiring him, LSC, NOT THEN, not after what we went through with Toronto, to get Farrell, do you really want to sacrifice another prospect for a manager?
 
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YOU'RE not hiring him, LSC, NOT THEN, not after what we went through with Toronto, to get Farrell, do you really want to sacrifice another prospect for a manager?
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Again, I didn't say to hire Leyland. I offered up Leyland as an example to counter your claim that his record in hiring managers was spotty. That's all. Do you not get that? I can't make it any more clear as I've already explained it several times now.
 
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What prospect did they give up for Farrell? Pretty sure they only gave up a 31 year old Mike Aviles for him.
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Correct

And they got kurcz and carpenter for Epstein I believe. Both threw hard. I liked Kurcz. Idk what happened to him


The sox should sign aviles right now and put him at 3B. Pretty sure the Marlins cut him loose recently

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I'm honestly surprised they didn't fire him yesterday. Sure, he's got excuses for the team's underperformance, namely injuries, no Papi, and a lousy bench. But a)this is still a better than .500 roster, easily, and b) they play lazy, careless baseball. Baserunning, fielding, you name it. Can't string together a win streak, crappy pitchers mouthing off to the manager in plain view of the camera, etc.

What are they waiting for?
 
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