2017 Offseason Thread: Changes Incoming 2.0

[damacles1156]

The Kings have a real shot at being in this place in three years:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2222887

If Kopitar continues his decline, sooner.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

What does it matter if a guy is playing top-6 minutes in the KHL? What good does that do LA when he's likely never making the jump to North America?

Like BigKing said, the Kings haven't had a full time roster player from a draft since 2012. That's a serious issue

In his first post he said no one other then Pearson from the 2011 draft played top 4 d mins or top 6 fwd mins. No where in the statement did he say with the kings or in the nhl for that matter therefore he was wrong on every account. Miller played top 4 d mins in Boston. Porkhorkins played top 6 forward in Russia and Ladue played top 4 in la So no matter what way you want to cut it he was wrong with his statement period.

Now as far as Prohorkins not playing in north america that is not the scouts fault I would say its management for not doing what was needed to get him here.

 

[damacles1156]

Nikolai Prokhorkin Signed a Three year deal, he has two years left.

There doesn't seem to be an (Out) clause in his contract, and he will no longer be Kings property when his contract expires.

At least, that's the way I understand it, Holden is better at the contract/CBA stuff.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Tanner Pearson and Colin Miller, last two Kings draft picks (Since 2012) that have played 100 NHL games.

No matter the circumstances, that's hurting the team right now.

Paul LaDue Jonny Brodzinski Hudson Fasching Valentin Zykov and Adrian Kempe all making debuts this year.

Also you always say it take 4 years for a prospect to make a impact Well im not math whiz but by your own math makes it impossible for any of them to play 100 games in one season 2012 plus your magic 4 years = 2016 they can only play 84 games So impossible to pass ur 100 games

 

[damacles1156]

I think one of the things which improved dramatically under Lombardi, and I am guessing Hextall, Futa, and Yannetti were all involved when it was implemented, was the Kings had a battle plan for the draft.

They spent hours gaming what they believed were all of the plausible scenarios. When it would be a good idea to trade up or down, etc. This kind of preparation was lacking when Taylor was GM.

Hoping Blake learned some valuable lessons on how to approach the draft.

Lombardi (had) a plan, and he didn't stick to it. It cost him his job.

 

[KINGS17]

Lombardi (had) a plan, and he didn't stick to it. It cost him his job.

I will agree he strayed from the plan in terms of keeping his picks, but at the draft table it always seemed as if the organization had a plan, even if their first pick was in the 3rd round.

That wasn't always the case under Dave Taylor.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Tanner Pearson and Colin Miller, last two Kings draft picks (Since 2012) that have played 100 NHL games.

No matter the circumstances, that's hurting the team right now.

2013 - 20 players have played 100 games, 16 from the 1st round, and all 10 from the top 10 picks.
2014 - 11 have played 100 games, 10 from the 1st round, 7 from the top 10.
2015 - 3 have played 100 games, all 3 from the top 5, including McDavid and Eichel.
2016 - obviously nobody from that draft has been able to play 100 games yet, but the 3 closest are 3 of the top 6 picks.

That's 34 total players, 29 from the 1st round, and 20 top 10 picks. That's a little more than 1 player per team, so the Kings are doing worse than average there. They've only had one 1st round pick in the last 4 years, it was 29th overall, and more than half of the guys that have played 100 games have been top 10 picks, where the Kings wouldn't have picked in any of the last 4 years anyway.

Pittsburgh has 0 players that have played 100 games since the 2013 draft. Chicago has 0 since 2013, and the last guy they drafted to play 100 games that is still on their roster today is Kruger, and he was drafted in 2009. Anaheim has 1 guy.

The highest games played for the Kings in the last 4 years is Kempe at 25 games, all this year, which isn't a ton. Pittsburgh's highest total is Guentzel at 40 games, all this year too, and he was drafted a year before Kempe.

The Kings haven't gotten much from 2011, but 2010 now seems to have 3 guys on the roster full time, and everyone is also crying about Weal now too. That's 4 of 5 picks that might end up with a decent NHL career for all we know. That would be an 80% success rate in that particular draft, which could be insane, even though it's maybe taken a while to accomplish.

I'm not saying anything revolutionary here, and I think we all understand what the draft is, but unless you're picking in the top 10, you have to let the draft breathe a bit. 7 of the top 9 picks from the 2013 draft have the most games played from the 2013 draft.

 

[HookKing]

Lombardi (had) a plan, and he didn't stick to it. It cost him his job.

Yeah, those rebuild plans work real well after you win a couple of cups, get awarded with the worst draft position and your players need to get paid.

 

[KingLB]

2013 - 20 players have played 100 games, 16 from the 1st round, and all 10 from the top 10 picks.
2014 - 11 have played 100 games, 10 from the 1st round, 7 from the top 10.
2015 - 3 have played 100 games, all 3 from the top 5, including McDavid and Eichel.
2016 - obviously nobody from that draft has been able to play 100 games yet, but the 3 closest are 3 of the top 6 picks.

That's 34 total players, 29 from the 1st round, and 20 top 10 picks. That's a little more than 1 player per team, so the Kings are doing worse than average there. They've only had one 1st round pick in the last 4 years, it was 29th overall, and more than half of the guys that have played 100 games have been top 10 picks, where the Kings wouldn't have picked in any of the last 4 years anyway.

Pittsburgh has 0 players that have played 100 games since the 2013 draft. Chicago has 0 since 2013, and the last guy they drafted to play 100 games that is still on their roster today is Kruger, and he was drafted in 2009. Anaheim has 1 guy.

The highest games played for the Kings in the last 4 years is Kempe at 25 games, all this year, which isn't a ton. Pittsburgh's highest total is Guentzel at 40 games, all this year too, and he was drafted a year before Kempe.

The Kings haven't gotten much from 2011, but 2010 now seems to have 3 guys on the roster full time, and everyone is also crying about Weal now too. That's 4 of 5 picks that might end up with a decent NHL career for all we know. That would be an 80% success rate in that particular draft, which could be insane, even though it's maybe taken a while to accomplish.

I'm not saying anything revolutionary here, and I think we all understand what the draft is, but unless you're picking in the top 10, you have to let the draft breathe a bit. 7 of the top 9 picks from the 2013 draft have the most games played from the 2013 draft.

GTFO with facts! That is going to kill the rants on this board. What am I saying people will still rant.

 

[KINGS17]

Yeah, those rebuild plans work real well after you win a couple of cups, get awarded with the worst draft position and your players need to get paid.

This is the problem. When a run is over it's over. No need to condemn the franchise to eight years of mediocrity just because the team was a contender for three or four years. Three or four years is all most teams get. It's not a good idea to reward players for past performance with big 3rd contracts.

If a player getting his 3rd contract won't sign a reasonable deal, time to move on and trade that player.

 

[HookKing]

This is the problem. When a run is over it's over. No need to condemn the franchise to eight years of mediocrity just because the team was a contender for three or four years. Three or four years is all most teams get. It's not a good idea to reward players for past performance with big 3rd contracts.

If a player getting his 3rd contract won't sign a reasonable deal, time to move on and trade that player.

Sounds great on paper, in practice you will end up as Arizona.

 

[damacles1156]

Sounds great on paper, in practice you will end up as Arizona.

Arizona has to actual start signing their younger guys coming up, soon.

 

[damacles1156]

Yeah, those rebuild plans work real well after you win a couple of cups, get awarded with the worst draft position and your players need to get paid.

His plan was to replenish through the draft, and supplement the core.

He got off track on that with trading 1st/2nd round picks.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Sounds great on paper, in practice you will end up as Arizona.

I'm actually interested to see how Arizona turns out because Chayka seems as close to the moneyhockey approach that some posters advocate.

So far, he's a hero to the analytics crowd and the folks who love cap space. And he's oh-so-creative for eating bad contracts for other teams. But so far, that team has done **** all, and frankly depending on what they do coming up this offseason, they don't have a franchise savior. And the clock will be ticking on OEL, who isn't getting any younger and will surely command a raise.

 

[kingsholygrail]

So how long until they announce new jerseys?

 

[Reclamation Project]

Tinkering with Photoshop. This is what I'd like to see. The home plate logo is only palatable to me because they won Cups in it. Otherwise it's a generic that shouldn't be a primary.

 

[KINGS17]

Tinkering with Photoshop. This is what I'd like to see. The home plate logo is only palatable to me because they won Cups in it. Otherwise it's a generic that shouldn't be a primary.

Yes, bring back the chevy logo and make the return to failure complete.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

They forgot to insert "bad" in between "Serious Hockey."

 

[KINGS17]

I'm actually interested to see how Arizona turns out because Chayka seems as close to the moneyhockey approach that some posters advocate.

So far, he's a hero to the analytics crowd and the folks who love cap space. And he's oh-so-creative for eating bad contracts for other teams. But so far, that team has done **** all, and frankly depending on what they do coming up this offseason, they don't have a franchise savior. And the clock will be ticking on OEL, who isn't getting any younger and will surely command a raise.

I like how people characterize not paying two players around 30% of the team's cap space money hockey. It's not.

Spend to the cap, but spread it around, and never ever hand out NMCs, or eighty year deals to players who will be over 35 when the contract is up.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Coyotes won't do ****, let's get real. They could have Einstein himself running the team. Get back to me when they aren't discussing being homeless every 4 months.

 

[KINGS17]

Coyotes won't do ****, let's get real. They could have Einstein himself running the team. Get back to me when they aren't discussing being homeless every 4 months.

Yeah, too much uncertainty and instability in that situation, which is something that plagued the Oilers for a while.

The Coyotes will likely have years where they surprise and make the playoffs, but they won't be consistent in doing so.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Until they get the $$$ cleaned up, that 2012 run will be their magnum opus.

 

[King'sPawn]

2013 - 20 players have played 100 games, 16 from the 1st round, and all 10 from the top 10 picks.
2014 - 11 have played 100 games, 10 from the 1st round, 7 from the top 10.
2015 - 3 have played 100 games, all 3 from the top 5, including McDavid and Eichel.
2016 - obviously nobody from that draft has been able to play 100 games yet, but the 3 closest are 3 of the top 6 picks.

That's 34 total players, 29 from the 1st round, and 20 top 10 picks. That's a little more than 1 player per team, so the Kings are doing worse than average there. They've only had one 1st round pick in the last 4 years, it was 29th overall, and more than half of the guys that have played 100 games have been top 10 picks, where the Kings wouldn't have picked in any of the last 4 years anyway.

Pittsburgh has 0 players that have played 100 games since the 2013 draft. Chicago has 0 since 2013, and the last guy they drafted to play 100 games that is still on their roster today is Kruger, and he was drafted in 2009. Anaheim has 1 guy.

The highest games played for the Kings in the last 4 years is Kempe at 25 games, all this year, which isn't a ton. Pittsburgh's highest total is Guentzel at 40 games, all this year too, and he was drafted a year before Kempe.

The Kings haven't gotten much from 2011, but 2010 now seems to have 3 guys on the roster full time, and everyone is also crying about Weal now too. That's 4 of 5 picks that might end up with a decent NHL career for all we know. That would be an 80% success rate in that particular draft, which could be insane, even though it's maybe taken a while to accomplish.

I'm not saying anything revolutionary here, and I think we all understand what the draft is, but unless you're picking in the top 10, you have to let the draft breathe a bit. 7 of the top 9 picks from the 2013 draft have the most games played from the 2013 draft.

Yeah? Well look at Chicago and Pittsburgh! They can't evaluate talent either!

 

[Butch 19]

I will agree he strayed from the plan in terms of keeping his picks, but at the draft table it always seemed as if the organization had a plan, even if their first pick was in the 3rd round.

That wasn't always the case under Dave Taylor.

Don't forget that Dave Taylor drafted 3 top line players - and without them, we would not have any Cups today: Kopitar, Brown and Quick.

DT also was not given the freedom to plan for the future (to fail short term) from ownership as DL was given.

The treatment of these 2 gm's was apples and oranges

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Hmm Bernstein saying Kings gave Buffalo permission to interview Futa.