2017 Offseason Thread: Changes Incoming 2.0

[damacles1156]

Futa is very popular on this board, not really sure why, the Kings drafting has not been good this decade. No one really knows any strengths or weaknesses because it's not clear how much say, if any, he had over any of the disastrous moves made the last three years.

Ive been saying this for years.

People just gloss over it, and ignore the poor drafting record.

At some point Futa had to have serious input in the draft picks. Lombardi was high up the food chain, I doubt Lombardi was doing the grunt work of picking/scouting.

That would have been Futa and his staff.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Ive been saying this for years.

People just gloss over it, and ignore the poor drafting record.

At some point Futa had to have serious input in the draft picks. Lombardi was high up the food chain, I doubt Lombardi was doing the grunt work of picking/scouting.

That would have been Futa and his staff.

If you go through the drafting in this decade, there are a few guys the Kings have missed out on, but they're 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks, so it's not easy to say that it's obvious they should've taken this or that guy instead. Ok, they didn't take Tarasenko, understood. In 2011, they didn't take Kucherov, but he was the 58th player taken, not the 8th. A lot of teams are kicking themselves over that one. In 2012, Pearson was good, everyone cries about losing Miller to Boston, and we have some optimism about LaDue. That's 3 out of 6 picks that look like they might have some sort of career in the NHL. That's 50%. That's incredible.

 

[kovacro]

Pierre LaBrun @RealPierreLaBrun 14m ago Hearing Mike Futa has been named the new General Manger of the Buffalo Sabres.

LeBrun doesn't roll on Shabbos!

 

[Jason Squirties]

Myself, I'm a Forgeline GA1R fan.

Not a bad choice either, just a bit more one dimensional.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Futa will be forgotten quickly if he goes to Buffalo. Unless Futa gets immediate results and wins a championship in Buffalo his name will be scratched off all monuments like most other former Kings players not to mention an assistant GM. Alex Frolov says hi, went from God to 43 games with the Rangers to the KHL to oblivion in less than 2 years.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Ive been saying this for years.

People just gloss over it, and ignore the poor drafting record.

At some point Futa had to have serious input in the draft picks. Lombardi was high up the food chain, I doubt Lombardi was doing the grunt work of picking/scouting.

That would have been Futa and his staff.

2007 draft 10 picks 5 players with more then 80 games in the nhl played 4 still playing in the nhl

2008 draft 9 picks 5 played nhl games 1 still playing nhl
2009 draft 10 picks 8 played nhl games 6 still playing nhl
2010 draft 5 picks 4 played in nhl games all 4 still playing nhl
2011 draft 6 picks 4 played nhl games the other 2 still in system 2 in nhl and 3 in ahl
2012 draft 6 picks 3 played nhl games one in khl 3 still i nhl one still in ahl dallas system
2013 draft 7 picks 3 played nhl games 2 in ahl
2014 draft 10 picks 1 played nhl games 3 ahl players and a couple still in jr
2015 draft 6 none in nhl yet 3 still in system one traded and one in khl
2016 draft 4 none in nhl yet All still in system as far as i know

I ask you to simply find a better draft to nhl ratio in the history of the los angles kings Then try going nhl in that same time period. Futa has improved la scouting more then anyone in kings history

 

[KINGS17]

I think one of the things which improved dramatically under Lombardi, and I am guessing Hextall, Futa, and Yannetti were all involved when it was implemented, was the Kings had a battle plan for the draft.

They spent hours gaming what they believed were all of the plausible scenarios. When it would be a good idea to trade up or down, etc. This kind of preparation was lacking when Taylor was GM.

Hoping Blake learned some valuable lessons on how to approach the draft.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I prefer quality over quantity.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I prefer quality over quantity.

I get this and agree with it to a point However i will ask how much quality are you going to get where the kings have been drafting at least there getting nhl players. Not every pick is going to be a superstar and every team makes bad picks I don't care who you name i ll find a bad pick they missed on. To blame Futa for drafting poorly is totally ridiculous imo

 

[KINGS17]

I prefer quality over quantity.

Actually, you need some of both. I prefer depth players that are younger and hungrier. Those type players come from the draft, and are probably part of the "quantity" variety.

For example, while the Kings missed with Hickey in 2007, they also hit with Wayne Simmonds, Dwight King, and Alec Martinez in the same draft. There is no denying those three players were pivotal in winning two cups.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I get this and agree with it to a point However i will ask how much quality are you going to get where the kings have been drafting at least there getting nhl players. Not every pick is going to be a superstar and every team makes bad picks I don't care who you name i ll find a bad pick they missed on. To blame Futa for drafting poorly is totally ridiculous imo

I just have really bad flashbacks of how they raved about guys like Teubert, Hickey, Gibson, Cernak, Zykov, etc., they really talked them up about how they had them pegged high on their lists, and then look at how they turned out.

I like what this team has done in the later rounds, particularly with the dmen, but there are so many similar players they tend to draft, for example, Clifford, Nolan, Andreoff. It wouldn't hurt to take a Buchnevich or Guentzel or Arvidsson.

The prior management group had a hard on for "character" and size. A semblance of balance with an eye on skill and skating ability would be a nice change of pace.

 

[KINGS17]

The Kings have a real shot at being in this place in three years:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2222887

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I just have really bad flashbacks of how they raved about guys like Teubert, Hickey, Gibson, Cernak, Zykov, etc., they really talked them up about how they had them pegged high on their lists, and then look at how they turned out.

I like what this team has done in the later rounds, particularly with the dmen, but there are so many similar players they tend to draft, for example, Clifford, Nolan, Andreoff. It wouldn't hurt to take a Buchnevich or Guentzel or Arvidsson.

The prior management group had a hard on for "character" and size. A semblance of balance with an eye on skill and skating ability would be a nice change of pace.

Ok sure lets take them one at a time. Teubert played in our ahl team had a decent year. 10 points in 39 games and a +7 Not to bad for a part year with us Then he gets traded for penner. Edmonton takes over his developement and ruins him imo.

Hickey sure not the top 10 pick we all wanted but has turned into a fine 4/5 defense who is still playing nhl hockey. I wouldn't call playing 300 + games in the nhl a bust.

Gibsion is a goalie who is still in the ahl for the islander and may yet make it. Goalies take alot longer to develop then players Always a long shot pick imo. I dont recall anyone raving over him but ok bust for for now there.

Cernak a defenseman who hasn't even been eliable to play in the ahl let alone nhl I would say stay tuned on him.

Zykov just made a nhl debut scored a goal in 2 games. Still young lots of time left to make a good nhl career

I think ur writing off the last two people way too early imo.

 

[Reclamation Project]

The Kings have a real shot at being in this place in three years:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2222887

 

[BigKing]

2007 draft 10 picks 5 players with more then 80 games in the nhl played 4 still playing in the nhl

2008 draft 9 picks 5 played nhl games 1 still playing nhl
2009 draft 10 picks 8 played nhl games 6 still playing nhl
2010 draft 5 picks 4 played in nhl games all 4 still playing nhl
2011 draft 6 picks 4 played nhl games the other 2 still in system 2 in nhl and 3 in ahl
2012 draft 6 picks 3 played nhl games one in khl 3 still i nhl one still in ahl dallas system
2013 draft 7 picks 3 played nhl games 2 in ahl
2014 draft 10 picks 1 played nhl games 3 ahl players and a couple still in jr
2015 draft 6 none in nhl yet 3 still in system one traded and one in khl
2016 draft 4 none in nhl yet All still in system as far as i know

I ask you to simply find a better draft to nhl ratio in the history of the los angles kings Then try going nhl in that same time period. Futa has improved la scouting more then anyone in kings history

2011 and on has not produced any legit roster players outside of Pearson. That draft is six years ago. By legit, I mean Top 6/Top 4.

Also, I'm sure other teams can put together a "played an NHL game" list similar. I'm more concerned with "How many games" and "how effective is that player".

Like, they drafted Andreoff. Cool. He's in the NHL. Kind of.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

2011 and on has not produced any legit roster players outside of Pearson. That draft is six years ago. By legit, I mean Top 6/Top 4.

Also, I'm sure other teams can put together a "played an NHL game" list similar. I'm more concerned with "How many games" and "how effective is that player".

Like, they drafted Andreoff. Cool. He's in the NHL. Kind of.

Correct me if i'm wrong a scout's job is to find players talented enough to play in the nhl .

As far as legit players miller is playing top 4 in boston and LaDue is playing top 4 here. Id also argue Prohorkins is top 6 on his Russian team all in the 2011 draft

Go try doing it i bet your going to be surprised at just how many don't have the same record as us. I will not defend every pick only the fact we are better then average.

 

[Nizar]

The Kings have a real shot at being in this place in three years:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2222887

Oh, ye of little faith.

 

[CTKingsFan]

I don't think you can truly knock the drafting if they have no draft picks. We've only had two very late first round picks in the past 6 years. And even with that they got one top 6 player in Pearson and appear to have another in Kempe. So they're batting in 1.000 in the first round in the past 6 years.

You can't knock the guys for not having any picks. The issue isn't the scouting; the scouting is phenomenal! The issue was/is trading away too many first round draft picks. It's really just as simple as that.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Regarding the Canucks, I will say they NEVER had a center the caliber of Kopitar, never had a goalie the caliber of Quick, and never had a defenseman even close to Doughty. Not a fair comparison.

LeBrun doesn't roll on Shabbos!

You want a toe? I can get you a toe. I can get you a toe by 3!

Not a bad choice either, just a bit more one dimensional.

BBS, Forgeline, HRE, and Method are my favorites.

Love me some GA1Rs...

 

[BigKing]

Correct me if i'm wrong a scout's job is to find players talented enough to play in the nhl .

As far as legit players miller is playing top 4 in boston and LaDue is playing top 4 here. Id also argue Prohorkins is top 6 on his Russian team all in the 2011 draft

Go try doing it i bet your going to be surprised at just how many don't have the same record as us. I will not defend every pick only the fact we are better then average.

I'm not going to do all of that legwork. Just saying that it can be misleading to just say "Played an NHL game".

Also don't care if a guy is playing Top 6 minutes in the KHL. That is a completely wasted draft pick if the guy never comes over here! He could be the MVP of the KHL and it would still be a **** pick if the guy never plans to come over.

Also...LaDue is playing Top 4 here in LA? Remains to be seen.

CT-

While it is true they haven't had many 1st round picks, they've flat out whiffed on all of their 2nd round picks since 2011. I won't include Clague in there, but they've either drafted busts or traded them away for scrap rentals which tells me that they felt they missed on the pick already.

 

[LAKings88]

Canucks had HSedin and Kesler as 1 & 2. Luongo and Schnieder at one point in goal. D. Sedin on the wing.

That's not too shabby.

Never had a DD though.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Kesler wasn't 100% during that period though. He's the best he's been right now.

Luongo was never the game breaker Quick is.

 

[damacles1156]

2011 and on has not produced any legit roster players outside of Pearson. That draft is six years ago. By legit, I mean Top 6/Top 4.

Also, I'm sure other teams can put together a "played an NHL game" list similar. I'm more concerned with "How many games" and "how effective is that player".

Like, they drafted Andreoff. Cool. He's in the NHL. Kind of.

100 NHL games is usually a decent pick.

The Kings have been poor in the (impact) picks, and it shows in the current roster.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

Correct me if i'm wrong a scout's job is to find players talented enough to play in the nhl .

As far as legit players miller is playing top 4 in boston and LaDue is playing top 4 here. Id also argue Prohorkins is top 6 on his Russian team all in the 2011 draft

Go try doing it i bet your going to be surprised at just how many don't have the same record as us. I will not defend every pick only the fact we are better then average.

What does it matter if a guy is playing top-6 minutes in the KHL? What good does that do LA when he's likely never making the jump to North America?

Like BigKing said, the Kings haven't had a full time roster player from a draft since 2012. That's a serious issue

 

[damacles1156]

Tanner Pearson and Colin Miller, last two Kings draft picks (Since 2012) that have played 100 NHL games.

No matter the circumstances, that's hurting the team right now.