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Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

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silverfish said:
Nope. You either have to love LA and bash CM, or wish we had CM and bash LA. There's no: "well, maybe both of these guys are really good prospects". Can't have that here. No no no.
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I mean, welcome to the world in 2018 unfortunately. Combination of 1000 factors I won't derail this thread with.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Brooks confirmed today what many of us have been saying. We drafted based on need instead of elite skill at 7 which is a cardinal sin and sure enough it blew up in our face. We needed a 3c we drafted a 3c and he to make it worse he wasn’t ready. Not even close.

We left a top line talent on the board who is now considered a top 5 prospect in the world so we could try and bandage this mess of a team. This is a horrible job by Gorton.

Look I like Lias as a player. He’s gritty has great hands in close and a very strong shot. Good vision. But he skates like Jarkko Immonen and doesn’t have the size to get away with it. All we can do is hope he improves on this weakness and can slot in behind chytil and whoever else maybe Zibanejad long term.

But let’s stop pretending we drafted the right guy.
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Went from this, to post WJC maybe it was actually a pretty good move, back to this after some underwhelming AHL games.

If they took CM, there's a very good chance they wouldn't take a flier on Chytil.

The whole draft worked out well for us imo.
 
I don't care if CM becomes Crosby 2.0 or whatever. I'm happy with the LA pick. Can't stand CM's face. He looks like one big hit takes him off his game.

During the draft I was like who the hell did we pick? It's been 8 months now and I'm totally happy with both our picks there in the 1st.
 
silverfish said:
Nope. You either have to love LA and bash CM, or wish we had CM and bash LA. There's no: "well, maybe both of these guys are really good prospects". Can't have that here. No no no.
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I've said multiple times that they're both good prospects and very comparable. I had them ranked in the same grouping pre draft, Lias jumped up a bit after i read the CanucksArmy stuff but i'd say Mittelstadt has been slightly better this season so i'd call it close to a wash. I might be overcompensating a bit to make a point here and there though so if i do that then go back to this post, this is my view on LA vs CM.
 
As I mentioned a few times what I do really like about Lias is his hands around the net. Kid rarely panics. That goal shows it. good for him.

I do not think going back to the SHL helps him at all. He needs to learn to play at a faster pace than what he gets over there
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Brooks confirmed today what many of us have been saying. We drafted based on need instead of elite skill at 7 which is a cardinal sin and sure enough it blew up in our face. We needed a 3c we drafted a 3c and he to make it worse he wasn’t ready. Not even close.

We left a top line talent on the board who is now considered a top 5 prospect in the world so we could try and bandage this mess of a team. This is a horrible job by Gorton.

Look I like Lias as a player. He’s gritty has great hands in close and a very strong shot. Good vision. But he skates like Jarkko Immonen and doesn’t have the size to get away with it. All we can do is hope he improves on this weakness and can slot in behind chytil and whoever else maybe Zibanejad long term.

But let’s stop pretending we drafted the right guy.
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Brooks "confirmed" nothing. Confirming would require that he interviewed the Rangers and they said they drafted with the strategy.

What Brooks did was express his OPINION.

As someone who works in the industry, and has worked with Mr. Brooks, that's an important distinction.

As for Lias, we will have to wait and see. From what I've seen consistently, you have your opinion - and your entitled to it. But be careful that in an effort to support an opinion you already formed, probably before you ever Andersson skate a single shift, you're not filtering out anything that contradicts your opinion, while actively seeking morsels that feed into it.
 
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Mittelstadt vs. Andersson is like comparing a sports car and an SUV.

Two totally different vehicles, with different strengths and weaknesses, serving different purposes.

Both have their place and roles, and one can justify one or the other based on their preferences.

But constantly bitching about one, because you want the other tends to look more like an insecurity than a factually based stance. Especially when both haven't even left the driveway yet.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
As I mentioned a few times what I do really like about Lias is his hands around the net. Kid rarely panics. That goal shows it. good for him.

I do not think going back to the SHL helps him at all. He needs to learn to play at a faster pace than what he gets over there
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I think Leslie went back on that sending him back to Sweden thing
 
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Kovalev27 said:
As I mentioned a few times what I do really like about Lias is his hands around the net. Kid rarely panics. That goal shows it. good for him.

I do not think going back to the SHL helps him at all. He needs to learn to play at a faster pace than what he gets over there
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Totally agreed on this. He's already here, he's showing that he can be a factor at this level when he's on. Should stay here and learn what it takes to be a factor every night.

And yeah, his hands around the net are probably his best feature and something we could really use. Aside from Kreider, we don't have anyone who can cause problems in front of the net, and CK does it with size and strength while Lias does it more in the way Parise used to when he was on - knows just where to be before the puck gets there and has really quick hands.
 
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Edge said:
Mittelstadt vs. Andersson is like comparing a sports car and an SUV.

Two totally different vehicles, with different strengths and weaknesses, serving different purposes.

Both have their place and roles, and one can justify one or the other based on their preferences.

But constantly *****ing about one, because you want the other tends to look more like an insecurity than a factually based stance. Especially when both haven't even left the driveway yet.
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If it’s in the news the day of I should be able to comment on it. Think that’s reasonable.

I also think your analogy works To a degree however it’s more like a Porsche vs a Jeep Cherokee. One costs you a lot more to get. You wouldn’t spend 120k on a Jeep would you? No you wouldn’t. If your wife did it you’d be pissed off. That’s what’s we did by wasting a 7th overall pick on a guy you can get in the 15 to 25 range.

Come to think of it being a rangers fan can feel like a bad marriage.
 
McRanger said:
Lias added an assist. 2 point day so far.
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As a teenager.

In the AHL.

So, just so we're clear.

Andersson, who is safe, and apparently has no offensive ability because he isn't likely to score 30 goals and 70 points, has 1 goal and 3 assists for 4 points in 6 AHL games.

Over a 76 game schedule that would work out to 13 goals, 38 assists and 51 points as a teenager in the AHL.

Mittelstadt, an offensive dynamo, would put up a stat line of 23 goals, 41 assists and 64 points at the same age in the NCAA.

Obviously we are talking about two different leagues, two different players, and a whole lot other factors. But let's not act like we're comparing diamonds and donkey dung either.

Mittelstadt clearly has the higher offensive ceiling, but Andersson isn't exactly showing hands of stone either.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
If it’s in the news the day of I should be able to comment on it. Think that’s reasonable.

I also think your analogy works To a degree however it’s more like a Porsche vs a Jeep Cherokee. One costs you a lot more to get. You wouldn’t spend 120k on a Jeep would you? No you wouldn’t. If your wife did it you’d be pissed off. That’s what’s we did by wasting a 7th overall pick on a guy you can get in the 15 to 25 range.

Come to think of it being a rangers fan can feel like a bad marriage.
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Comment, yes. Express an opinion, yes.

Claim it as fact, not so much.

For example, you don't KNOW that Andersson would be there in the 15 to 25 range.

You THINK he would be there. And a lot of that THINKING is because he's clearly not what you wanted. There's nothing wrong with that. But let's call it what it is.

And no, for as talented as Mittelstadt is, he's not a $120k sports car. A $120k sports car is the guy in the Oilers driveway right now.

As for my wife, I think she'll be okay with SUV when it's snowing out and she's trying to get up the hill to our house. Because a Porsche isn't quite as sexy in those situations.

Because both vehicles have their time and place and different roles.

And being sexier doesn't necessarily make it better.
 
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The guy in Edmonton is a Ferrari my friend Not a 120k sports car.

If we’re sticking to the analogy let’s be fair ;) lol
 
Kovalev27 said:
The guy in Edmonton is a Ferrari my friend Not a 120k sports car.

If we’re sticking to the analogy let’s be fair ;) lol
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I like Mittelstadt, but he’s not a $120k sports car. Sorry.

But that goes back to something I’ve said for months.

The people who don’t like Andersson are careful about making sure they keep taking someone else’s absolute, positively highest upside and in turn comparing it to the lower end of Andersson’s upside. Then we double down on it by inflating the flashier players odds of reaching that peak while downplaying Andersson’s odds of reaching his.

And yet, while his detractors keep focusing on their belief that Andersson lacks offensive potential and was drafted primarily on a long list of intangibles, the kid has actually scored, and scored at in some pretty interesting situations.

I don’t think the argument is that Mittelstadt isn’t a heck of a prospect. Its about whether Andersson is also a heck of a prospect - albeit one with different strengths and weaknesses.

It seems that the best argument we can come up is that Mittelstadt’s offense is the end all be all and trumps anything and everything Andersson does that Mittelstadt doesn’t. Personally, I don’t think that’s necessarily the case.

I see one player who has higher offensive ceiling, but isnt as strong defensively or who might not contribute as much when he isn’t scoring.

I see another player with a lower offensive ceiling, but who can contribute other aspects when the pucks aren’t going in.

I see both doing it as lower levels of competition, but I feel I have to wait and see how they do against the better competition.

I don’t think Mittelstadt’s accomplishments diminish Andersson’s, nor vice versa.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Yup, Lias D+1 year is definitely comparable to Mittelstadts, but because Mittelstadt is really flashy he gets hyped up while Lias gets bashed down for no apparent reason other then "optics" (he looks slow, he looks like he's not skilled yada yada bull****).
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"He looks smaller than he is according to his measurements" (Plays on a larger surface, which makes him look smaller)
"He's not scoring as much as Mittelstadt" (Plays in a professional league, compared to NCAA college hockey)

There's criticizing a player for what he does, and then there's grasping at straws to criticize a player
 
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