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Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

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The thing is I'm ok with the Lias pick. But I think it's disingenuous to pretend like just because he plays a different role than CM it's automatically like choosing between flavors of ice cream. 1st line center and 4th liner winger are also different roles. Some roles are more valuable than others.
 
Inferno said:
I don't really care about stats...whose been watching the games who can actually tell us how he's playing?
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Beacon's been consistently saying that he isn't very impactful.

He's such a smart kid though, that even if that's the case, he should figure out how to play his game at the AHL level very quickly.
 
haveandare said:
Totally agreed on this. He's already here, he's showing that he can be a factor at this level when he's on. Should stay here and learn what it takes to be a factor every night.

And yeah, his hands around the net are probably his best feature and something we could really use. Aside from Kreider, we don't have anyone who can cause problems in front of the net, and CK does it with size and strength while Lias does it more in the way Parise used to when he was on - knows just where to be before the puck gets there and has really quick hands.
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100% agree with this. One of the best examples of this was at the 1:28 mark.

 
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Edge said:
The people who don’t like Andersson are careful about making sure they keep taking someone else’s absolute, positively highest upside and in turn comparing it to the lower end of Andersson’s upside. Then we double down on it by inflating the flashier players odds of reaching that peak while downplaying Andersson’s odds of reaching his.

And yet, while his detractors keep focusing on their belief that Andersson lacks offensive potential and was drafted primarily on a long list of intangibles, the kid has actually scored, and scored at in some pretty interesting situations.
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I fully agree with this. People complain he doesn't score enough, but during the World Juniors, he then leads his team in goals. Then it was about not getting enough assists etc. There's always something
 
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Harbour Dog said:
Beacon's been consistently saying that he isn't very impactful.

He's such a smart kid though, that even if that's the case, he should figure out how to play his game at the AHL level very quickly.
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And other people have had opposite reports.

Personally, I’ve seen impactful play in the SHL, the AHL and the WJC - three different environments.

I feel like it’s an argument about immunizations. If one person isn’t impressed, it trumps the 10 who were.
 
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Edge said:
And other people have had opposite reports.

Personally, I’ve seen impactful play in the SHL, the AHL and the WJC - three different environments.

I feel like it’s an argument about immunizations. If one person isn’t impressed, it trumps the 10 who were.
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In my defense, Beacon is certainly the loudest voice of those who actually watch the 'Pack.

His period-by-period breakdowns are very, very welcome, but they are still saturated with one man's opinion, I agree.
 
They can play 10 games without a hit on their ELC?
I thought it would be a good experience for them both - going into next season to prepare over the summer. And it would strengthen this current NHL team with all our injuries.
 
Ori said:
They can play 10 games without a hit on their ELC?
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They are teenagers in their first year in North American hockey. I'm perfectly fine with each player spending the year in the AHL. See where they are next training camp. The team is also a dysfunctional mess. I'd prefer that they not be exposed to that.
 
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Yeah, I understand that reasoning @LeetchisGod - we are unfortunate this year with injuries, but maybe we were fortunate previous seasons related to that topic.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
The thing is I'm ok with the Lias pick. But I think it's disingenuous to pretend like just because he plays a different role than CM it's automatically like choosing between flavors of ice cream. 1st line center and 4th liner winger are also different roles. Some roles are more valuable than others.
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But see, that last line is what some people are careful to work in there.

The subtle nudge that Mittelstadt is almost certainly a first line center and that Anderson is merely a third line center.

That tendency to take Mittelstadt’s higher end and Andersson’s lower end. That’s always going to paint a skewed picture.

And that opinion is primarily based on the belief that Mittelstadt’s higher offensive potential trumps the areas in whxjh Andersson’s potential is higher.

And yet, Andersson is displaying offense in the WJC, the SHL, and the AHL.

We did a cursory run down of production over a 76 game schedule. So if we put them both in the same league, say the AHL, what’s the point difference - 5 points? 7 points?

So it begs the same question that’s been asked for months with interchangeable players (Mittelstadt, Suzuki, Vilardi, whoever else has seen their name come and go from the conversation) - what’s the conversation rate?

How many more points from another player is worth more than the trade off of what Andersson brings? Is the magic number 5? 10? 15?

I ask because offense seems to be the driving force behind what Andersson detractors view as the most important facet of determining BPA.
 
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Why does every discussion about Andersson devolve into Mittlesdat vs Andersson? They're both great prospects imo
 
Harbour Dog said:
In my defense, Beacon is certainly the loudest voice of those who actually watch the 'Pack.

His period-by-period breakdowns are very, very welcome, but they are still saturated with one man's opinion, I agree.
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And by no means am I am knocking Beacon’s opinion. I like and respect Beacon.

However, I do have concerns that we may be subconsciously looking for any and every reason to plant a seed of doubt.

Andersson is not a perfect prospect. I just think we need to also remember that the other kids aren’t perfect either. I also think we need to acknowledge what Andersson has done - including his offense. Ignoring it, simply because it doesn’t fit the narrative we want to tell, doesn’t give us a greater sense of accuracy.
 
Rangers743 said:
Why does every discussion about Andersson devolve into Mittlesdat vs Andersson? They're both great prospects imo
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I agree with you!

I think they are both great prospects. Different, but solid.

Unfortunately, every conversation involving Andersson almost always features a comparison by those who didn’t like the pick or wanted someone else.

The people who like Andersson typically don’t feel the need to bring up other names when discussing him.

The people who don’t like Andersson, or wanted someone else, typically feel the need to bring up those other names.

And the conversation goes off the rails from there.
 
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Maybe people should also stop expecting this kid to slot in a top 9 slot next year from opening night. Patience is key with him and Chytil.
 
Edge said:
I agree with you!

I think they are both great prospects. Different, but solid.

Unfortunately, every conversation involving Andersson almost always features a comparison by those who didn’t like the pick or wanted someone else.

The people who like Andersson typically don’t feel the need to bring up other names when discussing him.

The people who don’t like Andersson, or wanted someone else, typically feel the need to bring up those other names.

And the conversation goes off the rails from there.
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Yes thats how I feel.
People obviously have the right to criticize a player but it feels like even when Andersson does something good people find a way to sour it. I mean look right Andersson just scored his first North American Professional goal that's a huge accomplishment, but were still discussing this whole Andersson vs Mittlesdat debate.
I understand why there are some so against the pick because they've been burned before by this team (Mcilarth, Jessiman, etc.) but I think this is a completely different situation. I'm just thankful for the first time in a while we have two guys in the pipeline that can really be something great
 
Edge said:
And by no means am I am knocking Beacon’s opinion. I like and respect Beacon.

However, I do have concerns that we may be subconsciously looking for any and every reason to plant a seed of doubt.

Andersson is not a perfect prospect. I just think we need to also remember that the other kids aren’t perfect either. I also think we need to acknowledge what Andersson has done - including his offense. Ignoring it, simply because it doesn’t fit the narrative we want to tell, doesn’t give us a greater sense of accuracy.
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I agree.

Andersson's offense has been excellent to this point in his career, and it's only because of selective reading of scouting reports that people think he's a defensive one-trick pony.

I doubt any of us were clamouring to take him at number seven, but he is a hell of a prospect.
 
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Look, there very well may be a kid picked after Andersson who is better.

That’s always the possibility.

Andersson was in no way the prospect with the highest projected offensive ceiling. I don’t know if anyone would make that argument with a straight face.

But just because his peak offensive ceiling isn’t as high, doesn’t mean it’s a low ceiling.
 
One of the best things that I've seen from Lias is his competitiveness. I don't see him as someone who will rest on his laurels. He will work on his weaknesses.
 
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