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Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XVIII ( if trades occur use specific trade thread)

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I think we should keep in mind that Sweeney still has to build a roster next year. I love the idea of trading Carlo, Coyle, etc. if it’s a sellers market, but we have no pipeline and this years picks won’t help for a few years, if ever. If the guys we deal are valuable in the market, then they’ll be costly in free agency to replace.

Marchand, Coyle, Carlo, I think even moving two of those would pose a problem for next season. Maybe that’s ok, but I still think he has to worry about it.
 
bp14 said:
I think we should keep in mind that Sweeney still has to build a roster next year. I love the idea of trading Carlo, Coyle, etc. if it’s a sellers market, but we have no pipeline and this years picks won’t help for a few years, if ever. If the guys we deal are valuable in the market, then they’ll be costly in free agency to replace.

Marchand, Coyle, Carlo, I think even moving two of those would pose a problem for next season. Maybe that’s ok, but I still think he has to worry about it.
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Unless you flip them in deal for young NHL talent
 
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bp14 said:
I think we should keep in mind that Sweeney still has to build a roster next year. I love the idea of trading Carlo, Coyle, etc. if it’s a sellers market, but we have no pipeline and this years picks won’t help for a few years, if ever. If the guys we deal are valuable in the market, then they’ll be costly in free agency to replace.

Marchand, Coyle, Carlo, I think even moving two of those would pose a problem for next season. Maybe that’s ok, but I still think he has to worry about it.
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Because of their term he should be able to get back a very good prospect

These GM’s are in self preservation mode so they can give up future knowing they have the players past this season
 
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JAD said:
Has Sweeney fallen in love with his players and doesn't want to part with them?

Please, move the deadwood!
No more analysis paralysis.
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Still another day for moves to be made. Just be patient.....

Once the first big move drops, the feeding frenzy will start as other playoff teams scramble to keep up.

I'm glad we haven't made any additional moves yet. Time is on our side.
 
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NDiesel said:
Sure, he had plenty of choices in a bubble. But if you're the GM of a team your choices are influenced by fans, stakeholders and most importantly your bosses.

Agree with them or not, him and his bosses likely saw this team in the playoffs this year. How do you sell to your higher up that the best move this year is to do absolutely nothing, when they expect this team to compete for a spot?
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If they had a better evaluation of the player, it's an easy sell. You tell your bosses there will be better avenues to improve this team other than committing $55 million of the bosses money on a questionable risky signing on a player who has seen a substantial reduction in production the past couple years.

Why would selling status quo be so upsetting anyways? They were a playoff and contending team the season previous, won a thrilling 7 game series on home ice, gave the Panthers what some said was the most physical series of the playoffs for 6 games. Not losing anyone of significance in the off-season, biggest loss an inconsistent middle-six winger. They weren't some franchise on the fringe desperately trying to finally make the playoffs after years of DNQs.
 
Knowing Sweeney...guys I cleared cap space and got draft capital back; but I also just signed Braz to a 6 year extension lol

Bruinaura said:
Interesting that teams are still calling on Marchand, knowing he's "week to week"
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They'll stick him on IR and get him back for playoffs....more cap space

Bruinaura said:
Interesting that teams are still calling on Marchand, knowing he's "week to week"
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They'll stick him on IR and get him back for playoffs....more cap space
 
bp14 said:
Elias Lindholm obviously wasn’t a good signing from a value standpoint, but I’d defend Sweeney only in that he didn’t have much choice. He clearly has no other bona fide 1/2 center on the roster or in the pipeline and this guy was available for only money. He’d have gotten killed if he didn’t make a solid offer.

Now as for his performance here so far? He sucks. Clearly underperforming. However, I think he’s likely to get a bit better as he acclimates, and with a rising cap he won’t look terrible because as much as he’s far from a force offensively, he’s useful.

I guess the trick is not to get to the point as an organization where you need to pay above average talent top of the market prices.
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Here's another way to look at it, one that I've tried to use for about 15 years now.

If you look at teams using a 5-year block of time, obviously no team is winning a cup every year, some teams make the playoffs every year, few contend every year, some don't contend at all and others are relevant for a year or two out of 5.

Given that -- you have to do your best to both acquire talent and put yourself in a position to get the pieces you need during the seasons where everything falls into place, and you find yourself in serious contention.

Boston 2019, Boston 2023 for example.

I think going into each of those seasons people thought they'd be good, but, especially in 2019 I didn't think they were a cup contender, even in December.

Hell, I remember a good friend of mine, who played college hockey and loves the B's saying prior to 2022/2023 that the team was so bad that Monty would be off the wagon by Thanksgiving. lol

My point is this --- few things in hockey are predictable, perfect or linear.

No, E. Lindholm is not having a good season and has not lived up to his contract. But that doesn't mean that two years from now they won't have found him linemates that he clicks with and he puts up 25-45-70, because he has the talent to do that.

Yes, today that cap number is troubling, but as the cap goes, up in a year or two he'll be getting about the same % as Coyle last year and the year when they set the points record. You can win with a 3C earning that much money -- other things need to fall into place for it to happen -- but the every single team has a bad contract or two, or even there -- and every year someone wins a cup.

What this deadline and off season needs to be is about gathering talent up front so they have the opportunity to have one of those seasons where things come together.
 
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Bruinaura said:
Interesting that teams are still calling on Marchand, knowing he's "week to week"
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Frederic was week to week as well and he went for a pretty good haul, considering status and the year he's having. I would imagine as long as these guys are good for the playoffs, and teams satisfy themselves as to medical status, they're willing to deal.
 
DKH said:
Because of their term he should be able to get back a very good prospect

These GM’s are in self preservation mode so they can give up future knowing they have the players past this season
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Sure that helps the acquiring GMs, but as much I’m critical of DS I’m aware that he needs to try to keep his job. He can’t trade every piece we want dealt simply because he’d be looking at the lottery again next season, and I’m not sure his owner is up for that. So I’d be surprised if he’s comfortable moving two of those named guys. But hey, I’m personally fine with it.
 
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Just took a break to peek at phone and see lots of movement but Sweenious doing nothing.I have zero faith in this guy to fix this mess but it don't matter ,,the proof will be in the pudding ...Tick Tock.
 
BruinDust said:
If they had a better evaluation of the player, it's an easy sell. You tell your bosses there will be better avenues to improve this team other than committing $55 million of the bosses money on a questionable risky signing on a player who has seen a substantial reduction in production the past couple years.

Why would selling status quo be so upsetting anyways? They were a playoff and contending team the season previous, won a thrilling 7 game series on home ice, gave the Panthers what some said was the most physical series of the playoffs for 6 games. Not losing anyone of significance in the off-season, biggest loss an inconsistent middle-six winger. They weren't some franchise on the fringe desperately trying to finally make the playoffs after years of DNQs.
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I think that's a bit disingenuous BD, because while they did well with what they had last year, I don't think many, you included, looked at that top 6 last year and didn't think that was the main place to improve this roster. I think many would also argue it was one of the leading factors for why we lost to Florida again.

So yes, while only losing a middle-six winger (they did lose Ullmark too) isn't the end of the world, when you already have guys slotted above where they should be then it all of a sudden becomes a significant loss, and status quo just isn't an option anymore...likely in the eyes of the Bruins management at least.

yeah yeah, I won't argue with the fact that the EL contract is looking rough already, but I just believe that doing nothing was never an option this year.
 
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