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Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

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I’d love to have chytil and Andersson going together down there as the 1 2. I don’t think Andersson playing in the shl does anything for him. He may be a solid consideration for a call up.
 
I hope Kreider is back soon too, but I`ve no idea when with his injury.

I believe that Lias will get used to small ice relative fast - he played on it in that U20 tournament too so it help his development.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I think you are missing the point.

We've heard from some people that the viewpoints presented that he was over-drafted and doesn't have particularly high upside are ridiculous. There have been all types of rationalizations how he actually does have high upside and wasn't over-drafted.

Here's an "expert" who sees some of the same things that some here have mentioned.

This is what he specifically said




And if anyone's response is that Pronman is an idiot, everyone else who has said similar things is an idiot, they are completely missing the point. There are some who rank players like Pronman does where skill and "upside" get precedent. Everyone has their own opinions, but its not just a few Ranger fans who have this type of opinion, neutral "experts" think the same thing. I suspect if other "experts" did this type of analysis, you'd find that some of them have a similar opinion to Pronman.
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No, I think you’re missing the point. Even anti-Lias posters acknowledge a reach of what, 4-6 spots or 4-7. Pronman ranked him behind every prospect picked in the first round? As @Irishguy42 said, if you use this as a support in your argument - it’s your problem.
 
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I think Lias is more ready than chytil. Even though chytil is the better prospect. Wouldn’t surprise me To see him up soon.

You know one thing I do like about Andersson he thinks he’s better than he is. He’ll look you in the eye and say he’s a big time player. Mika Zibanejad has ten times the talent of Andersson but he’s a mumbler. He doesn’t believe he’s that good. If he wanted to be an impact player he could be. Just is a soft mentally kid.

Andersson complete opposite which to me Bode’s well for his career. He’ll never be a top end guy but in his head he is. Will push him further than his actual talent. I like guys like that. J.T. Miller is like that. Brandon Dubinsky was like that.
 
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kovazub94 said:
No, I think you’re missing the point. Even anti-Lias posters acknowledge a reach of what, 4-6 spots or 4-7. Pronman ranked him behind every prospect picked in the first round? As @Irishguy42 said, if you use this as a support in your argument - it’s your problem.
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Where's the evidence that it was a 4-6 or 4-7 reach instead of a reach of like 10? I've posted the "expert" opinions before, but I'm pretty sure no expert had him in the top 10, and almost all had him between 10-20, with one or two have him outside 20. Its more like a reach of 10 picks.

No one here is "anti-Lias", thats absurd.
 
Is the ELC hit worth it if Lias can get us into playoffs this year?
We`ve a decent salary now so I thought it was an interesting discussion. It`s a scenario and it`s no guarantee that we reach playoffs even if Lias playing well for us, because our schedule is very hard.
 
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I think Lias is more ready than chytil. Even though chytil is the better prospect. Wouldn’t surprise me To see him up soon.

You know one thing I do like about Andersson he thinks he’s better than he is. He’ll look you in the eye and say he’s a big time player. Mika Zibanejad has ten times the talent of Andersson but he’s a mumbler. He doesn’t believe he’s that good. If he wanted to be an impact player he could be. Just is a soft mentally kid.

Andersson complete opposite which to me Bode’s well for his career. He’ll never be a top end guy but in his head he is. Will push him further than his actual talent. I like guys like that. J.T. Miller is like that. Brandon Dubinsky was like that.
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I agree with this and I believe Lias has more talent than either of those two players. I also believe he has the drive to keep improving. Coaches will point out areas of improvement and he will relish putting in the work to make them strengths. That’s just the attitude I get from him. I think this is a kid who won’t have the flash and hype of a lot of early 1st round types but who, with a little patience, is a Zetterberg, O’Reilly, Bergeron, Kesler type in his prime. Does that mean I’d look you in the eyes and guarantee you he reaches the average height of those people’s primes? No, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he did. Those aren’t guys who were drafted with high picks or thought to be world beaters. Their games are as much hard work and smarts as they are skill. But they do have skill. Not Kane or Datsyuk skill, but enough to be great players. I think Lias can be in that category (maybe not Bergeron’s hundred Selke category, but in the mix with these types).
 
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Is the ELC hit worth it if Lias can get us into playoffs this year?
We`ve a decent salary now so I thought it was an interesting discussion. It`s a scenario and it`s no guarantee that we reach playoffs even if Lias playing well for us, because our schedule is very hard.
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If he earns a call up and plays well in the NHL, I would have no problem burning the year off his ELC. He'd gain great experience and be better off going into next season for it.

Obviously it all depends on how he performs. If he's called up and looks out of place and not ready then send him back down.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I think you are missing the point.

We've heard from some people that the viewpoints presented that he was over-drafted and doesn't have particularly high upside are ridiculous. There have been all types of rationalizations how he actually does have high upside and wasn't over-drafted.

Here's an "expert" who sees some of the same things that some here have mentioned.

This is what he specifically said




And if anyone's response is that Pronman is an idiot, everyone else who has said similar things is an idiot, they are completely missing the point. There are some who rank players like Pronman does where skill and "upside" get precedent. Everyone has their own opinions, but its not just a few Ranger fans who have this type of opinion, neutral "experts" think the same thing. I suspect if other "experts" did this type of analysis, you'd find that some of them have a similar opinion to Pronman.
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I should probably quote your half a dozen posts where you literally whine how Pronman ranked Shesty as the 4th best Goalie on his list and how he's so off base. But hey here he fits your narrative so lets quote him ad-nauseum. You're so dishonest and biased on your opinions I don't know how anyone can take them seriously.
 
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Miamipuck said:
I should probably quote your half a dozen posts where you literally whine how Pronman ranked Shesty as the 4th best Goalie on his list and how he's so off base. But hey here he fits your narrative so lets quote him ad-nauseum. You're so dishonest and biased on your opinions I don't know how anyone can take them seriously.
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Confirmation bias is a thing
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Confirmation bias is a thing
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Exactly.


I haven't seen Lias vs the top 50 or 100 prospects to even make a coherent list where he stands. It's just an opinion. Here's my opinion based on simple math, he's what #2 in the organization according to HF. That would mean every team would need approx 1 or 2 prospects better than him on their list for him to be out of the top 50. I find that difficult to believe based on his play against his age group. But in reality if he's the # 250 prospect on Pronman's list and he becomes the #1 or #2 center on the Rangers for 10-15 years, who cares about that guys opinion.
 
Miamipuck said:
Exactly.


I haven't seen Lias vs the top 50 or 100 prospects to even make a coherent list where he stands. It's just an opinion. Here's my opinion based on simple math, he's what #2 in the organization according to HF. That would mean every team would need approx 1 or 2 prospects better than him on their list for him to be out of the top 50. I find that difficult to believe based on his play against his age group. But in reality if he's the # 250 prospect on Pronman's list and he becomes the #1 or #2 center on the Rangers for 10-15 years, who cares about that guys opinion.
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The problem comes from people assuming the SHL is a development league. If a player doesn't put up at least a PPG average, they are considered not good enough. At the same time, a player hitting 90 points in 60 games against 16 year olds will be considered a top prospect.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The problem comes from people assuming the SHL is a development league. If a player doesn't put up at least a PPG average, they are considered not good enough. At the same time, a player hitting 90 points in 60 games against 16 year olds will be considered a top prospect.
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I agree and know where you're coming from. You can also factor in the amount of scoring in various leagues. The SHL correct me if I am wrong is a very low scoring league. So it would stand to reason that gaudy stats aren't really that common. I can understand all day long why a guy like Pettersson would be #1 on that list. He plays in the SHL and has gaudy stats. Just stat surfing, I honestly have just watched him in the WJC, he could be ranked #1 all day long and no one would blink. Those same gaudy stats wouldn't exactly turn heads in the OHL. imo
 
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Miamipuck said:
I agree and know where you're coming from. You can also factor in the amount of scoring in various leagues. The SHL correct me if I am wrong is a very low scoring league. So it would stand to reason that gaudy stats aren't really that common. I can understand all day long why a guy like Pettersson would be #1 on that list. He plays in the SHL and has gaudy stats. Just stat surfing, I honestly have just watched him in the WJC, he could be ranked #1 all day long and no one would blink. Those same gaudy stats wouldn't exactly turn heads in the OHL. imo
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I was very hesitant about Pettersson even after he was drafted 5th overall but man, has hee been lights out for Vaxjo. Jesus! He is definitely having a career year and is proving me wrong. That said, he is playing in a completely different role on a historically bad team with not nearly as much depth as Frolunda. That needs to be taken into account, together with the fact that Andersson is a different player altogether. Andersson's role, behind Joel Lundqvist, has been that of a more defensive line, but when he gets the chance he dictates the play. He is such a smart kid. Not fast, but he reads the game and knows where to be. I've made this comparison before, but Jari Litmanen (Finland's best soccer player ever) comes to mind when I see Andersson play. Never the fastest player on the ice, but his positioning is just magnificent.

He didn't really seem too bothered by the smaller ice surface in Buffalo during the World Juniors. If anything, the smaller ice surface should fit his style better. That's where my hesitation with Pettersson comes in. Yes, he is great in the SHL but I am still a bit reluctant due to the fact that I am not convinced his style of play translates to the smaller ice surface and NHL play in the same manner.
 
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darko said:
Chytil better? Because he's more flashier?
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Yes. That's the exact reason behind that opinion. Chytil is a smooth skater, very easy on the eyes. Andersson is a 2-way forward and those never get any praise unless they are world class. Look at O'Reilly, Kopitar (before LA won a cup), Toews (despite captaining Chicago to multiple cups).
 
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