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Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

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I wonder if the decision is one of the two:
  1. Lias is named to the Swedish Olympic team, plays, returns to Sweden after.
  2. Lias is not named to the team and plays in Hartford.
If he's in the AHL, he cannot play in the Olympics. If they delay the decision, he can be named while healing. I'm thinking he's in Hartford, especially if he isn't deemed ready in the next few weeks.
 
pblawr said:
It's just one guy's opinion. Pronman had Petterson 10 and Nylander 24. Andersson put up similar production to them at the WJC's while handling a bigger defensive role, Sweden's WJC coach awarded him player of the tournament over Petterson, and Sweden's Olympic coach seems to prefer Andersson to Petterson, if the rumors are true. So I think there are different ways of analyzing the players relative to each other and in reality, the gap between being the #10 ranked prospect and the # 60 ranked prospect isn't as big as it sounds.

For me, I think a lot of the analysis of Andersson's upside depends on whether you think his production is the result of him being surrounded by talented players or the result of subtle, intelligent things he does. Personally, I think the fact that his production relative to his age has been impressive in multiple situations (HV71, Frolunda, 2018 World Juniors, 2017 summer showcase) offers reason to believe that his production is due to his play and not the players around him, but I'd admit that he didn't look great in small samples at Traverse City and Rangers training camp.
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For your second paragraph, I think he's the type of guy who work best when he has top talent around him, and - this is the key part - top talent works best when it has him around it. He does all the little things that help others succeed - can look at Petterson and Nylander with and without him for good examples. That in itself is a unique and useful type of skillset.
 
Pronman has Mittelstadt #1 and Elias Pettersson #10, behind Vilardi.... So that's a thing...

I like Pronman but let's not pretend he's this perfect scout, having Elias Pettersson at #10 is just insanity, he's posting teenage numbers in the SHL we haven't seen since Peter Forsberg and Kent Nilsson, meanwhile Mittelstadt is under PPG in the NCAA, but sure... Mittelstadt #1, Pettersson #10, makes sense.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Pronman has Mittelstadt #1 and Elias Pettersson #10, behind Vilardi.... So that's a thing...

I like Pronman but let's not pretend he's this perfect scout, having Elias Pettersson at #10 is just insanity, he's posting teenage numbers in the SHL we haven't seen since Peter Forsberg and Kent Nilsson, meanwhile Mittelstadt is under PPG in the NCAA, but sure... Mittelstadt #1, Pettersson #10, makes sense.
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There is for sure bias. WJC was gold for Mittelstadt. His value is possibly never going to be higher. Pettersson wasn't as good. It's not the best way to judge talent, but it's what everyone was able to watch.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Pronman has Mittelstadt #1 and Elias Pettersson #10, behind Vilardi.... So that's a thing...

I like Pronman but let's not pretend he's this perfect scout, having Elias Pettersson at #10 is just insanity, he's posting teenage numbers in the SHL we haven't seen since Peter Forsberg and Kent Nilsson, meanwhile Mittelstadt is under PPG in the NCAA, but sure... Mittelstadt #1, Pettersson #10, makes sense.
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i just look and laugh, these rankings mean shit anyways, i dont care if pronman ranks lias #100....if he can be a top 6 center who puts up 60-70 points a season who am i to complain
 
Sure, but Pronman should know better then to overvalue the WJC, he's been in the game long enough for that.

I'll just add a big scoop of salt to this like i always does.
 
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Personally, it looked like Lias was developing just fine the way he was playing, where he was playing. I really would wish the Rangers would just let him be after he rehabs himself. The Olympics would be a wonderful experience for him and then continue with Frolunda.

If any young player has the make up to successfully make it in the AHL mid season it would be Lias. I just don't see the need to rush him and/or dump him in Hartford to see if he rises to the top. Let him be, let him play where has been and have a real offseason to work on what he needs to improve and come to camp with a real shot and a clean slate. Just my .02.
 
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Chytil said:
Lias was at the game yesterday (from his Instagram story), so he should still be in NY
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Yup he was there, can see him on the fan cam again

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Chytil said:
Lias was at the game yesterday (from his Instagram story), so he should still be in NY
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Not only is he still in NY, but Brooks reported theres a chance the Rangers assign him to Hartford when he's done rehabbing his shoulder and that you might see him with the big club this year. I guess they liked what they saw at WJC's.
 
Miamipuck said:
If any young player has the make up to successfully make it in the AHL mid season it would be Lias.
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I didn't watch him in Sweden, but he's third in scoring (per game) on his team, so he's somewhere in first-to-second line range. He's not a purely offensive player, so it's not as if we are talking about Danny Kristo type stats. The SHL is thought to be even with the AHL, some say a little ahead, but there's adjustment to the North American rinks and style. Either way, I think he becomes a top-6 player in Hartford immediately.
 
Hartford is as usual a burning garbage pile. I know it's nice to get a guy acclimated to the smaller rink and all that, but he was doing well with Frolunda, coming along nicely and would have a chance at a spot in the Olympics. I say leave him be. He has jumped around enough.
 
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Lias was mostly in Frölundas middle-6, he did play quite a bit on PP1 though which is when his points started to come (also started scoring more 5v5, confidence is a thing).
 
Irishguy42 said:
He won't eclipse the 40 game mark, so it's a wash for me tbh

If he's on the Rangers full time by the end of the year, it likely means they sell.
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That's as important as the 9 GP to me. This season won't count towards UFA status for him which makes the decision a bit easier. If we trade players like Grabner and Nash at the deadline, it would make sense to bring up Andersson and Chytil for the final few games (as long as they stay under 10 GP)
 
Hard decisions whether or not to bring him to AHL. On one hand, he's already been yanked around a lot, on the other hand, he's closer to contributing next year if he gets started not he small ice this year.
 
haveandare said:
Hard decisions whether or not to bring him to AHL. On one hand, he's already been yanked around a lot, on the other hand, he's closer to contributing next year if he gets started not he small ice this year.
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I think it would be interesting to let him play in Hartford. I think he would see it as a positive because he’s competitive and wants to be in the NHL asap so he would likely see it as a step closer. And, as you said, it probably helps to get him on the small ice, NA game sooner. He’s already here in NY. It was a good path for Nylander. It would be very exciting to see him find a groove and a look promising in the AHL for the last 1/3 of this year.
 
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Is there any actual rumor of Lias making the Olympic Team? He's a middle-6 forward on his SHL team. How could the SHL and other non-NHL leagues where Swedes play (AHL, KHL) not have 12 guys ahead of him when his own team has several guys who are.
 
Beacon said:
Is there any actual rumor of Lias making the Olympic Team? He's a middle-6 forward on his SHL team. How could the SHL and other non-NHL leagues where Swedes play (AHL, KHL).
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Yes, it’s basically down to four players competing for 2 spots on the Swede roster regarding Lias rumors. I like what teams like Sweden are doing with a largely youthful approach much more than USA with Gionta, Wiz, Butler, Gilroy, etc.
 
Beacon said:
Is there any actual rumor of Lias making the Olympic Team? He's a middle-6 forward on his SHL team. How could the SHL and other non-NHL leagues where Swedes play (AHL, KHL) not have 12 guys ahead of him when his own team has several guys who are.
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Yeah, someone posted this tweet earlier.


Abrahamsson is quoting Johan Garpenlöv, assistant coach for the Swedish National Team, who's saying that Lias is one of four players they're looking at for the last two roster spots. Also Lias has been one of our best forwards the last couple of months. Of those playing more than Lias 5v5 I'd only say that Ryan Lasch is a better player. When it comes to PP we rely heavily on PP1 which Lias has not been a regular part of, he looked amazing when he got to play on it though.
 
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