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KingCanadain1976 said:
totally agree this pick needs to be in our top six asap
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Hopefully they get some help in the upcoming season and Kempe, Brodzinski and others contribute offensively and cement themselves as regular players in the lineup, which should give them time within another year or two for more young players to work their way into the lineup.

It's a similar path that we witnessed Pearson and Toffoli take before they became regulars.

Toffoli, drafted in 2010, returned to the OHL and tore it up with the 67s for another two seasons. Graduated to the AHL when he was 20, also earned a call up and appeared in most playoff games with the Kings in 2013, and by 2013-14, became a full time player on the Kings. Took Toffoli roughly three seasons from his draft year to establish himself.

Pearson, drafted in 2012 as an overager and jumped immediately to the AHL, spent another half season in Manchester as a 21-year old, and was a late call up with the Kings and appeared in all playoff games where he earned a spot as the 2nd line LW during the 2014 Cup run.

I don't expect the new management or coaching staff to shotgun a prospect into the lineup, but if they select a 17-year old Nick Suzuki for example, he has to spend the next two seasons in the OHL, and he'll likely spend some time to get acquainted with the speed and physicality of the pros with some time in the AHL and could be ready for full-time duty by the time he is 20-21.

Thinking ahead to who may be in contention for promotion over the next year or two of offense, Amadio, Iafallo, Watson and Wagner appear to have the most potential of any forward prospects, followed by Eyssimont. And that's it as far as forward prospects go. Don't know if Mersch or Auger will be making the jump to the NHL, but if they're not here or don't earn a call up next season, then I figure time may be running out on them.

Jeez, listing the number of forward prospects in the system sure illustrates the shortage of prospects that they have coming up, which really limits the management's options moving forward. They really are desperately in need of restocking the system.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
No matter who they pick, with this being their highest draft selection since Brayden Schenn at 5th overall in 2009, the Kings need to draft and develop a player who can be a fixture in the top six for a long time. They need to bring in more talent internally until the cap situation is resolved, which likely won't happen until Gaborik and/or Brown are gone.
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I agree completely. Good cost-controlled talent should be at the top of the Kings' priority list.

There is nobody in the system due major raises, so trading picks just so some team will take Brown/Gaborik will just free up cap space to overspend on UFAs.
 
Sheng Peng said:
Here's a sleeper for you guys: Robert Thomas.

Robert Thomas, #11 Sleeper for Kings?; Remembering '93
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I've taken anything McCagg says with a grain of salt. He has a thread where he very frequently changes how he ranks the player, even if they haven't played.

At the end of April, he said Cale Makar is comparable to Erik Karlsson, and he will be the 2nd best player of the draft.

A couple weeks later, Heiskanen is suddenly the best defenseman in the draft, and Makar is out of the top 5.

When I challenged him and brought up that neither played a game since he made the two statements, he never responded (at least not when I checked a few times. I gave up checking).

I don't doubt he watches players or talk to scouts. And I understand ranking players is an active process, but I think he ranks more on a mood/feeling than actually being analytical.

I'm hoping this isn't crossing the line of HF User bashing, because he does have a web site that he makes money off of for scouting. If it is against the rules, I apologize.
 
King'sPawn said:
I've taken anything McCagg says with a grain of salt. He has a thread where he very frequently changes how he ranks the player, even if they haven't played.

At the end of April, he said Cale Makar is comparable to Erik Karlsson, and he will be the 2nd best player of the draft.

A couple weeks later, Heiskanen is suddenly the best defenseman in the draft, and Makar is out of the top 5.

When I challenged him and brought up that neither played a game since he made the two statements, he never responded (at least not when I checked a few times. I gave up checking).

I don't doubt he watches players or talk to scouts. And I understand ranking players is an active process, but I think he ranks more on a mood/feeling than actually being analytical.

I'm hoping this isn't crossing the line of HF User bashing, because he does have a web site that he makes money off of for scouting. If it is against the rules, I apologize.
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So does that means that if Donald Trump created a HFboards account that he couldn't be criticized on the Politics Board?

...your criticisms are not personal; they are work related. :)
 
I'm hoping LA takes a solid goalie prospect in the second round. Quick will be around for a couple years and can mentor a young guy.

I normally would not want a goalie that early but DiPietro/Ottenger/Lukkonen (sp? On all) Would be nice in the pipeline. Seems like a good year for goalies.
 
King'sPawn said:
I've taken anything McCagg says with a grain of salt. He has a thread where he very frequently changes how he ranks the player, even if they haven't played.

At the end of April, he said Cale Makar is comparable to Erik Karlsson, and he will be the 2nd best player of the draft.

A couple weeks later, Heiskanen is suddenly the best defenseman in the draft, and Makar is out of the top 5.

When I challenged him and brought up that neither played a game since he made the two statements, he never responded (at least not when I checked a few times. I gave up checking).

I don't doubt he watches players or talk to scouts. And I understand ranking players is an active process, but I think he ranks more on a mood/feeling than actually being analytical.

I'm hoping this isn't crossing the line of HF User bashing, because he does have a web site that he makes money off of for scouting. If it is against the rules, I apologize.
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nah, I don't' see any flaming, just a disagreement with his process, not the person.

Knight of the Realm said:
I'm hoping LA takes a solid goalie prospect in the second round. Quick will be around for a couple years and can mentor a young guy.

I normally would not want a goalie that early but DiPietro/Ottenger/Lukkonen (sp? On all) Would be nice in the pipeline. Seems like a good year for goalies.
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Would be nice if we could score an additional 2nd or 3rd somehow because I concur.
 
I agree we need a goalie prospect but not that early.We need at least 3 forward pick with our first 3 picks. We need to replenish our forward prospect pool more then we need a goalie prospect Goalie can be picked up off waivers and signed cheap as ufas. We don't need to waste a 2nd round pick on something we can get cheaper
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
I agree we need a goalie prospect but not that early.We need at least 3 forward pick with our first 3 picks. We need to replenish our forward prospect pool more then we need a goalie prospect Goalie can be picked up off waivers and signed cheap as ufas. We don't need to waste a 2nd round pick on something we can get cheaper
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I'm not sure I agree with this.......


Kempe
Brodzinski
Mersch
Amadio
Watson
Wagner
Iafallo
Luff
Auger (maybe?)
Kubalik (but he has to want to come over)
Prokhorkin (but he has to remove his head from his @ass)


+ Dowd & Shore have yet to show us what they're truly capable of.



Yah, I wouldn't prioritize deepening the forward pool over other positions.


PS: Quick was a 3rd round pick, IIRC.....
 
Surprised Basilik didn't list Kitsyn in his list... and most of those names may be lucky to become NHLers, and at best may be role/support guys, with very few having any better potential than that.
 
Basilisk said:
I'm not sure I agree with this.......


Kempe
Brodzinski
Mersch
Amadio
Watson
Wagner
Iafallo
Luff
Auger (maybe?)
Kubalik (but he has to want to come over)
Prokhorkin (but he has to remove his head from his @ass)


+ Dowd & Shore have yet to show us what they're truly capable of.



Yah, I wouldn't prioritize deepening the forward pool over other positions.


PS: Quick was a 3rd round pick, IIRC.....
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I'd argue kempe and Brodzinski are already on the main roster and no longer prospects. Mersch is also in a do or die situation as he will need to clear waivers to go back to the ahl. I wouldn't exactly call him a prospect any more.
Amadio has a chance to be a impact forward however i think he ll be back in the ahl till feb or so till he can get his cup of coffee Augar is also in a make it or gone situation He needs waivers to get to the ahl.

Watson Wagner are good prospects but needs to show what he can do in the ahl before i would get excited about him.
Untill the others hit the ahl There a long shot at best.
Shore and dowd are bottom 6 players at best. This team needs top 6 talent and the more in the pipeline we got the better the odds some make it. Goalies can be had in later round or unsigned players like Jones was I wouldn't waste a 2nd round or even a 3rd on a goalie. We have 2 4 ths would be the right time to get one imo
 
Knight of the Realm said:
How many elite goalies are drafted compared to acquired by other means?
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Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Murray, Holtby, Crawford, Gibson, Allen, Vasilevsky, were all drafted goaltenders, some of which were not high draft selections.

Schneider, Jones, Talbot, Anderson, Andersen, Rask, Mason, Bishop, Bobrovsky, Luongo, Dubnyk were all acquired via trade.

There's really no definitive way of landing a top goalie. In most cases, a crowded crease led to a backup being moved, where they became starters elsewhere.
 
I still think it's good to have a young cost controlled goalie in the system. If you think you can get that some other way more power to you. I won't be upset if LA takes one in the second. Even better in the mid rounds but I don't think these guys will be there.
 
I'm too lazy to check right now but would love to see the average draft position of the top 15 or so goalies. It's pretty late.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
weren't the last two king goalie drafted early and neither worked out ?
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Christopher Gibson was a 2nd round pick who turned out to be a bust. The last goalie drafted was Alec Dillon whose career ended abruptly due to injuries. He was a 5th rounder though.

And then there was Bartosak, also a 5th rounder, and a piece of garbage.
 
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KingCanadain1976 said:
weren't the last two king goalie drafted early and neither worked out ?
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Bernier is the only one I can think of.

Jones was a free agent.

Chris Gibson was second round right?

The only first rounders I can think of over the years are:

DiPietro
Fleury
Price
Bernier
Samsonov
Rask
Campbell
Schneider
Vasilesky
Varlamov
Dubnyk
Montoya

I'm sure there are more just can't remember.

I still don't think a first rounder is worth spending on a goalie.

I'm ok with a second on a top goalie prospect but I understand the trepidation there too.

Aside from those three goalies I mentioned earlier, I don't really have much of an opinion on others.
 
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I'm good with Campbell and whatever other reclamation/free agent we can get.... We need forwards in round 1&2 and a Dman in round 3... IMHO
 
I would not draft a goalie until the 3rd or later these days unless he comes with an insane pedigree. I could LIVE with a 2nd but yeah.
 
Dornhoeffer said:
https://www.draftwired2.com:8443/apps/dwNHL

Picks:
Rd 1 Pk 11 - Klim Kostin (RW) Dynamo Moscow
Rd 2 Pk 41 - Maxime Comtois (LW) Victoriaville
Rd 3 Pk 72 - Mike Dipietro (G) Windsor
Rd 4 Pk 103 - Jarret Tyszka (RD) Seattle
Rd 4 Pk 116 - Jacob Tortora (C) Team USA
Rd 5 Pk 134 - Robbie Stucker (RD) St. Thomas
Rd 5 Pk 138 - Jan Hladonik (C) Trinec U20
Rd 6 Pk 165 - Adam Kalaj (LW) Kladno U20
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I like the DiPietro pick, aside from that? Yeah no.
 
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