GDT: 2017 IIHF World Junior Hockey Championships

[Mighty Makar]

Ingram has to play lights out against Sweden for them to win.

 

[Metallo]

Looking back that poll results on Jost pts is laughable.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Jost not producing isn't an indication of his play at all IMO.


I've still be thoroughly impressed with his game. Always making smart decisions, he works hard every shift, and his hands are way better then advertised. It was only on dumb luck that he didn't get a point tonight on a couple occasions.


Also, people are saying he looks soft and out muscled but I dont see it at all. He constantly goes into corners against bigger Dmen in the offensive zone and comes away with the puck more often then not. No doubt it would help him to add a few more pounds this summer, but I think he's smart enough and works hard enough that he can win a lot of those battles regardless of his size.

 

[Don Corleone]

Looking back that poll results on Jost pts is laughable.

To be fair, I think a lot of people expected Jost to be on the top line and first PP unit all tournament. If that would have happened then he would be PPG easily.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Jost not producing isn't an indication of his play at all IMO.


I've still be thoroughly impressed with his game. Always making smart decisions, he works hard every shift, and his hands are way better then advertised. It was only on dumb luck that he didn't get a point tonight on a couple occasions.


Also, people are saying he looks soft and out muscled but I dont see it at all. He constantly goes into corners against bigger Dmen in the offensive zone and comes away with the puck more often then not. No doubt it would help him to add a few more pounds this summer, but I think he's smart enough and works hard enough that he can win a lot of those battles regardless of his size.

Those two aren't the same thing. I don't think he's soft at all. I think he's physically weak compared to a lot of his junior peers. TV might be onto something with how much hockey he's playing. It wasn't something I noticed the first couple of games.

 

[Metallo]

To be fair, I think a lot of people expected Jost to be on the top line and first PPqq unit all tournament. If that would have happened then he would be PPG easily.

PPG would be 5 pts now. The poll had an option at 16+. Many felt the he would be double digits.

 

[henchman21]

Those two aren't the same thing. I don't think he's soft at all. I think he's physically weak compared to a lot of his junior peers. TV might be onto something with how much hockey he's playing. It wasn't something I noticed the first couple of games.

Completely agree. Hopefully it is more about him just filling out than something he will have to deal with going forward.

Nico and Chabot have been the two most impressive players to me in the tournament so far. Also liked Vorobyov quite a bit.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Jost has been great so far, he's shown how good he is on the forecheck, in board battles and he has created a lot of chances. I still think they should put him with Barzal. I don't get their infatuation with Strome, the guy doesn't do anything along the boards, is softer and slower than Greg, and is the king of low percentage plays.

 

[Freudian]

Jost looked a bit impatient last night, trying to force plays a bit in the offensive zone. But overall he's been good. He's a energy player with skill, something that translates well to the NHL.

I've been impressed by Siegenthaler on the Swiss team. He logs a tonne of minutes and looks very good defensively.

 

[chet1926]

Jost has been great so far, he's shown how good he is on the forecheck, in board battles and he has created a lot of chances. I still think they should put him with Barzal. I don't get their infatuation with Strome, the guy doesn't do anything along the boards, is softer and slower than Greg, and is the king of low percentage plays.

While I'd like to see a few more points, you're dead on with this post. You don't always have to factor in on the score sheet to play well. Jost has had a solid tournament, and is showing why he'll be a solid NHL player.

I also agree with your assessment of Strome. Right now he looks like a junior player that is going to have a tough time adjusting to the NHL game. In juniors you can get away with some stupid ****, but the NHL will eat those mistakes quickly and make you look bad.

 

[Foppa2118]

Completely agree. Hopefully it is more about him just filling out than something he will have to deal with going forward.

Nico and Chabot have been the two most impressive players to me in the tournament so far. Also liked Vorobyov quite a bit.

He of course should try to fill out more this summer, but it's an awfully big exaggeration to say he was weak out there based on a couple plays. He routinely battled physically through players trying to muscle him around in this tourney. These plays far outweighed the plays where he got out battled physically.

He voluntarily planted himself in front of the net on most shifts taking the abuse just fine, and maintained possession of the puck very well in the corners and behind the net while defenseman tried to muscle him off it. If he was being physically outmatched he wouldn't have had the puck anywhere near as much as he has.

He's never gonna be a bull out there, but that doesn't mean he's weak. Parise and Pavelski get bumped around on occasion too. It's just going to happen.

His production fell off because the coach was using him as a utility winger to get certain guys going, and was moving him around the lineup. This was his role.

 

[henchman21]

He of course should try to fill out more this summer, but it's an awfully big exaggeration to say he was weak out there based on a couple plays. He routinely battled physically through players trying to muscle him around in this tourney. These plays far outweighed the plays where he got out battled physically.

He voluntarily planted himself in front of the net on most shifts taking the abuse just fine, and maintained possession of the puck very well in the corners and behind the net while defenseman tried to muscle him off it. If he was being physically outmatched he wouldn't have had the puck anywhere near as much as he has.

He's never gonna be a bull out there, but that doesn't mean he's weak. Parise and Pavelski get bumped around on occasion too. It's just going to happen.

His production fell off because the coach was using him as a utility winger to get certain guys going, and was moving him around the lineup. This was his role.

I'm not basing this just off his WJC performance. Though, it seems clear to me that he is weaker strength wise than his peers and it is going to be something he has to overcome as his career progresses. I've never said he couldn't overcome it.

I'm not really a tirepumper or hater of Jost... I really lie somewhere in the middle and am just calling it like I see it. He is a very good prospect that has some flaws. Nothing that should keep him from being a good NHL player, but ones that might keep him from taking the final steps. It seems like any bad word said about Jost gets blown out of proportion here and demands that he be stood up for.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

I'm not basing this just off his WJC performance. Though, it seems clear to me that he is weaker strength wise than his peers and it is going to be something he has to overcome as his career progresses. I've never said he couldn't overcome it.

I'm not really a tirepumper or hater of Jost... I really lie somewhere in the middle and am just calling it like I see it. He is a very good prospect that has some flaws. Nothing that should keep him from being a good NHL player, but ones that might keep him from taking the final steps. It seems like any bad word said about Jost gets blown out of proportion here and demands that he be stood up for.

HOW DARE YOU!

 

[Cousin Eddie]

He of course should try to fill out more this summer, but it's an awfully big exaggeration to say he was weak out there based on a couple plays. He routinely battled physically through players trying to muscle him around in this tourney. These plays far outweighed the plays where he got out battled physically.

He voluntarily planted himself in front of the net on most shifts taking the abuse just fine, and maintained possession of the puck very well in the corners and behind the net while defenseman tried to muscle him off it. If he was being physically outmatched he wouldn't have had the puck anywhere near as much as he has.

He's never gonna be a bull out there, but that doesn't mean he's weak. Parise and Pavelski get bumped around on occasion too. It's just going to happen.

His production fell off because the coach was using him as a utility winger to get certain guys going, and was moving him around the lineup. This was his role.

I disagree with the bolded. I haven't missed a shift of hisnin this tournament. And ES there were plays where he dogged through physically, but not nearly as many as he got outmuscled.

 

[Metallo]

Jost looked a bit impatient last night, trying to force plays a bit in the offensive zone. But overall he's been good. He's a energy player with skill, something that translates well to the NHL.

I've been impressed by Siegenthaler on the Swiss team. He logs a tonne of minutes and looks very good defensively.

You forgot to mention his cool name. Teamates are going to call him Zinger.

 

[henchman21]

The most disappointing player of this tournament has to be Juolevi... I'm not his biggest fan, but my god he has been terrible. Looks like he doesn't give a single crap.

 

[The Shermanator]

Wow. I was really hating this Greenway guy. And then I found out he's a Wild prospect. Perfect.

 

[Goulet17]

The most disappointing player of this tournament has to be Juolevi... I'm not his biggest fan, but my god he has been terrible. Looks like he doesn't give a single crap.

I think scouts call that puck poise.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

The most disappointing player of this tournament has to be Juolevi... I'm not his biggest fan, but my god he has been terrible. Looks like he doesn't give a single crap.

Haven't seen a Finnish game this tournament but he was awesome last time around. He has that unflappable/cerebral playing style that could be misread as not caring if things are not going well.

 

[UncleRisto]

In the last ten minutes of the tournament Vaakanainen got leveled by a Latvian who got ejected and Tolvanen caught Vesalainen with a shot.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm not basing this just off his WJC performance. Though, it seems clear to me that he is weaker strength wise than his peers and it is going to be something he has to overcome as his career progresses. I've never said he couldn't overcome it.

I'm not really a tirepumper or hater of Jost... I really lie somewhere in the middle and am just calling it like I see it. He is a very good prospect that has some flaws. Nothing that should keep him from being a good NHL player, but ones that might keep him from taking the final steps. It seems like any bad word said about Jost gets blown out of proportion here and demands that he be stood up for.

It's not really blowing things out of proportion to disagree with your assessment that he's weak though. I can understand if it feels that way based on other conversations you've had though. I know you're not a hater of his, but you have mentioned multiple times you think he's too small for the role he'll play. I could be wrong, but it's possible there's a bit of confirmation bias going on in regard to thinking he's looked weak.

If you're routinely getting out muscled, then I think it's evidence of the point you guys are making. If you also routinely battle through physical play, and come out of corners and battles with the puck, or stand in front of the net and take abuse, I think it shows that there isn't inherently a strength problem, or it would be an issue all the time.

I'd be perfectly fine with agreeing with you if I thought strength was going to be an issue with him. In fact when everyone thought Compher was for sure going to be in the lineup this year, I was the only one saying that he didn't look ready physically to me, and was getting pushed around too much. I like Compher just like I like Jost. I don't have a reason to think that about one and not the other.

It's just a matter of opinion I guess. Mine is that his strength issues are being exaggerated a bit, and he'll be able to play through them just fine until he's more physically mature in a couple years.

 

[JoemAvs]

It's not really blowing things out of proportion to disagree with your assessment that he's weak though. Maybe it feels that way based on other conversations you've had. I know you're not a hater of his, but you have mentioned multiple times you think he's too small for the role he'll play. I could be wrong, but it's possible there's a bit of confirmation bias going on in regard to thinking he's looked weak.

If you're routinely getting out muscled, then I think it's evidence of the point you guys are making. If you also routinely battle through physical play, and come out of corners and battles with the puck, or stand in front of the net and take abuse, I think it shows that there isn't inherently a strength problem, or it would be a issue all the time.

I'd be perfectly fine with agreeing with you if I thought strength was going to be an issue with him. In fact when everyone thought Compher was for sure going to be in the lineup this year, I was the only one saying that he didn't look ready physically to me, and was getting pushed around too much. I like Compher just like I like Jost. I don't have a reason to think that about one and not the other.

It's just a matter of opinion I guess. Mine is that his strength issues are being exaggerated a bit, and he'll be able to play through them just fine until he's more physically mature in a couple years.

I absolutely think strength will be an issue and will have to be adressed before he can make the NHL. That is why I don't see him stepping in next season.

I think everyone can agree that Jost checks most of the other boxes. But IMO his size/strength will absolutely prevent him from being a center in the NHL and force him to the wing.

He is still very young and has plenty of time to adress his physical development.


Plenty of smaller players have excelled on the NHL level recently and I really like what I have seen from Jost so far but IMO he gets overrated on here by quite a bit.

I think he will become an impact player for us but it will take some time before he will get there. And we should give him that time.

 

[Foppa2118]

I absolutely think strength will be an issue and will have to be adressed before he can make the NHL. That is why I don't see him stepping in next season.

I think everyone can agree that Jost checks most of the other boxes. But IMO his size/strength will absolutely prevent him from being a center in the NHL and force him to the wing.

He is still very young and has plenty of time to adress his physical development.


Plenty of smaller players have excelled on the NHL level recently and I really like what I have seen from Jost so far but IMO he gets overrated on here by quite a bit.

I think he will become an impact player for us but it will take some time before he will get there. And we should give him that time.

I think the biggest thing that will keep him from being a center will be who they draft this year. Much bigger than any strength issue. If they draft Patrick or Hischier I think both will most definitely be put at center before he will.

Only way he plays center after that is if they move MacK to RW.

I agree I think he needs to bulk up a bit this summer before playing against men in the NHL, but I think the level he needs to get to is attainable before September, because I think his grit and determination make up for a lot of it. It will buy him enough time to get buy until he has a couple more years to physically mature.

Most players don't have that added benefit, and while someone like Compher has it, he has less pure skill and offensive smarts than Jost, as well as a little more limited skating ability, so the physical aspects of the game affect him more.

Compher and Jost can both battle very well, but Jost has a bit more separation speed after he breaks free, and can also see and make smart plays with the puck quicker. These puts him in a much better position to prevent the physical aspects of the game from hurting him before he's physically mature.

 

[henchman21]

It's not really blowing things out of proportion to disagree with your assessment that he's weak though. I can understand if it feels that way based on other conversations you've had though. I know you're not a hater of his, but you have mentioned multiple times you think he's too small for the role he'll play. I could be wrong, but it's possible there's a bit of confirmation bias going on in regard to thinking he's looked weak.

If you're routinely getting out muscled, then I think it's evidence of the point you guys are making. If you also routinely battle through physical play, and come out of corners and battles with the puck, or stand in front of the net and take abuse, I think it shows that there isn't inherently a strength problem, or it would be an issue all the time.

I'd be perfectly fine with agreeing with you if I thought strength was going to be an issue with him. In fact when everyone thought Compher was for sure going to be in the lineup this year, I was the only one saying that he didn't look ready physically to me, and was getting pushed around too much. I like Compher just like I like Jost. I don't have a reason to think that about one and not the other.

It's just a matter of opinion I guess. Mine is that his strength issues are being exaggerated a bit, and he'll be able to play through them just fine until he's more physically mature in a couple years.

I can separate my thoughts on how to build a team and who Jost is as a prospect. They are two separate things. Just because I don't think he fits the mold of a shutdown top 6 center, doesn't mean I can't evaluate him fairly as a prospect in his own right. I do think he will be a center and a pretty good one in the NHL. I compared him earlier to Derek Stepan, and I do think he ends up a similar level of player. I'm glad the Avs have that sort of prospect in the system. I see strength issues and ones he is going to have to overcome. He will likely overcome them, but they exist.

 

[Foppa2118]

I can separate my thoughts on how to build a team and who Jost is as a prospect. They are two separate things. Just because I don't think he fits the mold of a shutdown top 6 center, doesn't mean I can't evaluate him fairly as a prospect in his own right. I do think he will be a center and a pretty good one in the NHL. I compared him earlier to Derek Stepan, and I do think he ends up a similar level of player. I'm glad the Avs have that sort of prospect in the system. I see strength issues and ones he is going to have to overcome. He will likely overcome them, but they exist.

Fair enough. I guess we just disagree on how big the issues are currently.