GDT: 2017 IIHF World Junior Hockey Championships

[ASmileyFace]

I just cannot help but think about how hard McDavid would run train on these kids. He'd still be eligible too.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Only suggestion I've seen that makes sense is to move it back 3 months each year. It's already cut off at Sept 15 so move it to July 1, then April 1, etc. there's no way they can just decide one year that no 18 year olds can be drafted and essentially call it an overage draft. I think they should make the goalie draft 19 anyway. And of course the trade off is 19 year olds can go to the AHL.

Yeah there was also a mention of exceptional status in the article I read as well. That's not a bad idea either, as I just want the end result.

 

[tigervixxxen]

One thing that sucks about Jost being on the third line is his minutes being cut down in the third it seems. That top line is out there a lot.

Maybe that's just a feeling I'm getting though? Don't have a pretty live updating box score to look at like NHL.tv lol.

I agree and not really sure why. Probably just to ride their top guys.

If Jost plays in this next year I think he'll be the captain. I always forget he's one of the younger ones on this team.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I agree and not really sure why. Probably just to ride their top guys.

I feel like despite Jost being the best player in the first period by a fair margin, it didn't seem like they rewarded him for it, or his line. Just kept leaning on that top line.

I still wonder if maybe Jost would have a higher role on that team if he wasn't coming from a College team, and from the BCHL?

 

[ASmileyFace]

That Russian goalie was so far out of the net

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I feel like despite Jost being the best player in the first period by a fair margin, it didn't seem like they rewarded him for it, or his line. Just kept leaning on that top line.

I still wonder if maybe Jost would have a higher role on that team if he wasn't coming from a College team, and from the BCHL?

I feel like Canada's coaching will end up hindering them, no adjustments at all

 

[Foppa2118]

Lets just completely ignore context draft rankings, or the number of different management groups there have been in that time.

They haven't went off the board all that much over the years outside of a couple of occasions. I definitely don't really want to defend their drafting strategy, but inept is just false. If you can say anything it's that they have been simply average, and not worked to make that area a strength for the organization. Looking back over the years at where their picks were in the draft, most of their selections make sense for where players were ranked as a consensus.

Simple fact is you don't know if they had any contact with Myers what so ever, and tacking on not signing him as another one of their failures is very narrow minded.

There is lots of other legit arguments to be made without taking on a mantle of mystical ineptitude, so lets stick to things we know instead of sounding like a casual who makes wild assumptions based on little actual knowledge.

I'm not really defending the organization as much as I am tired of peoples wild assumptions being carried out as gospel.

Inept relative to the rest of the professional organizations in the NHL, and to what it takes to build a competitive team. Those are the standards by which they are measured.

I'm not really sure why you're trying to stick up for their ability to build a quality blueline on this team. There really is no evidence whatsoever to suggest they can do it well enough. They've failed in every single avenue. They haven't got it done through the draft, they haven't got it done through UFA, and they haven't got it done through trade. Has nothing to do with assumptions. The proof is in the pudding.

This same argument you're making about "we don't really know" and "you're making assumptions" is the same argument I've seen for 15 years in defense of this organization. When you have to say that about the same subject of their ability to add good defenseman every single year for 15 years, it gets a little silly to keep saying it.

When you've failed to build a decent blueline for 15 years, the bigger assumption is that they actually did put forth a sufficient effort to give Myers a tryout.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I feel like despite Jost being the best player in the first period by a fair margin, it didn't seem like they rewarded him for it, or his line. Just kept leaning on that top line.

I still wonder if maybe Jost would have a higher role on that team if he wasn't coming from a College team, and from the BCHL?

I kinda just alluded to it but he's 18 and the top guys are 19 is what I think more is. He's a big time HC favorite tho.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I feel like Canada's coaching will end up hindering them, no adjustments at all

Yeah they won, but I got that feeling as well. Luckily for them Barzal put his line on his shoulders after the first.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I agree and not really sure why. Probably just to ride their top guys.

If Jost plays in this next year I think he'll be the captain. I always forget he's one of the younger ones on this team.

He'll be on the avs guaranteed.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Yeah they won, but I got that feeling as well. Luckily for them Barzal put his line on his shoulders after the first.

They seem like they are going to live and die with Strome so yeah we'll see if that hurts them later on. Good for Canada to win this one, it's one of their tougher tests and will put them in a good position in the group. They look good enough to medal but we'll see.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I kinda just alluded to it but he's 18 and the top guys are 19 is what I think more is. He's a big time HC favorite tho.

Yeah, but as SW said they should have adjusted after the first. Especially with it being a 1-1 game going into the second. They took a risk being stubborn about it.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Yeah, but as SW said they should have adjusted after the first. Especially with it being a 1-1 game going into the second. They took a risk being stubborn about it.

We'll see if they are willing to be flexible later on.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Inept relative to the rest of the professional organizations in the NHL, and to what it takes to build a competitive team. Those are the standards by which they are measured.

I'm not really sure why you're trying to stick up for their ability to build a quality blueline on this team. There really is no evidence whatsoever to suggest they can do it well enough. They've failed in every single avenue. They haven't got it done through the draft, they haven't got it done through UFA, and they haven't got it done through trade. Has nothing to do with assumptions. The proof is in the pudding.

This same argument you're making about "we don't really know" and "you're making assumptions" is the same argument I've seen for 15 years in defense of this organization. When you have to say that about the same subject of their ability to add good defenseman every single year for 15 years, it gets a little silly to keep saying it.

When you've failed to build a decent blueline for 15 years, the bigger assumption is that they actually did put forth a sufficient effort to give Myers a tryout.

The last line in my post says enough

In general I respect you as a poster, so I'd rather not keep this going.

I've let my frustration get me into too many pissing matches with people lately, so lets just agree to disagree on this.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Dahlin goal silky smooth.

Really wish he was available in this year draft.

 

[Foppa2118]

The last line in my post says enough

In general I respect you as a poster, so I'd rather not keep this going.

I've let my frustration get me into too many pissing matches with people lately, so lets just agree to disagree on this.

Fair enough. I don't think what I was saying is a wild assumption, but I can understand being sensitive to the subject.

I agree in principle to what you're saying about there being a possibility they put sufficient effort into giving them a chance at Myers. That's certainly true, it's possible. I just wouldn't bet on it given their history.

 

[S E P H]

Yikes that was a cringe worthy game. If either team played like that against Sweden or USA, they will get their ***** handed to them. Just so many brutal turnovers, Canada seemed to just want it more and got the win.

Jost was an absolute freak, his stick anticipation reminds me so much of Ryan O'Reilly. Sergachev was also very good, didn't get much help from anybody else.

On the other hand, one player who actually got two goals, but I thought was a disaster was Dylan Strome. Very thankful we don't have a player like him, did nothing except get two beautiful feeds from Barzal. Any player could have scored those.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Fair enough. I don't think what I was saying is a wild assumption to be held as gospel, but I can understand being sensitive to the subject.

Yeah that was a bit of a dramatic comment, my bad.

And I agree with there being serious flaws with this organization in terms of drafting and development, and most of what you are saying, just not using this specific instance.

There has just been too much hot take hyperbole lately with people making wild assumptions, and it's driving me nuts.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yikes that was a cringe worthy game. If either team played like that against Sweden or USA, they will get their ***** handed to them. Just so many brutal turnovers, Canada seemed to just want it more and got the win.

Jost was an absolute freak, his stick anticipation reminds me so much of Ryan O'Reilly. Sergachev was also very good, didn't get much help from anybody else.

On the other hand, one player who actually got two goals, but I thought was a disaster was Dylan Strome. Very thankful we don't have a player like him, did nothing except get two beautiful feeds from Barzal. Any player could have scored those.

Yeah I really felt like Barzal put his line on his shoulders after that first period. NY has a hell of a player there.

 

[Foppa2118]

Yeah that was a bit of a dramatic comment, my bad.

And I agree with there being serious flaws with this organization in terms of drafting and development, and most of what you are saying, just not using this specific instance.

There has just been too much hot take hyperbole lately with people making wild assumptions, and it's driving me nuts.

No worries. This place can feel like you walked into a room of people going when a season goes down the drain. I'm actually a bit surprised it's not worse. I think people have gotten used to this team being bad.

 

[Avs_19]

Great start for Jost. He was really good both with and without the puck. Just relentless early on with pressure shift after shift. His ice time probably goes up if he keeps playing like that.

Not the best game for Canada overall. They were pretty sloppy.

 

[Hans Landaskog]

Any clips of the Jost goal? I forgot to record the game.

 

[CobraAcesS]

No worries. This place can feel like you walked into a room of people going when a season goes down the drain. I'm actually a bit surprised it's not worse. I think people have gotten used to this team being bad.

Just ask Tiger, there has been a lot of posts deleted lately. I think one day RL deleted half the UFA thread lol.

This holiday break with the WJC has been good, and they were nice enough to go out with a bang going into the break, or it would probably be worse.

 

[dahrougem2]

If Team Canada chooses to live and die by Dylan Strome, they are setting themselves up for failure. He's not that kind of player.

 

[S E P H]

Yeah I really felt like Barzal put his line on his shoulders after that first period. NY has a hell of a player there.

I will admit I am not a humongous Barzal fan either. 5v5 I saw a lot of superb puck rushing skills into the Russian zone, but kind of lost it after crossing the blue line (which was consistent). His best skills, no doubt, is all the extra time he gets on the powerplay. It's a reason why I called him a PP specialist in my final reports before the 2015 draft and the reason why Canada won tonight. He has the talent, but I still think he needs to develop his even strength points more to become a more effective player. Whatever the case is, NYI did get a hell of a player which will absolutely help their special teams (him and Tavares on the same PP unit should scare Metro rivals).