WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 2

[lawrence]

despite, some adversities, not a very strong roster compared to other years, Canada is still a powerful team, in their own right with depth, I hope they are able destroy everyone and prove everyone wrong.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Glad there's no Leafs/Canucks prospects on Team Canada maybe we can have some rational discussion this year, without the constant bickering about Marner/Virtanen.

I'll give you 3 Amens and 2 Hallelujahs for that Christmas gift.

Although I do wish that Marner and McDavid were on this team. Perhaps this spring in Paris.

 

[BondraTime]

Could care less what teams the guys play for (I do pay more attention to Sens prospects in general), I just want the best players to play. Marner woukd absolutely destroy this tournament, more so than RNH coming back in his 19 year old season.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Yeah anybody who has watched Marner like at all this year and goes "Gee I'm glad he wasn't sent back" Is on something I want no part of.

 

[BDizzle*]

With McDavid, Eichel, Marner and Hanifan doing well in the NHL, I can imagine Dylan Strome has even extra to prove this year. Being the captain and having the entire nation (and world) watching I expect him to give it his all.

There is no way he can be content knowing he is not in the NHL when all those drafted around him are already making big contributions to their team. The pride of an athlete is always really strong, and he knows this is his moment to shine.

 

[snipes]

I tend to view it as a good thing for Canada when we have guys that could play, but don't.

It's a positive thing they've moved on to being professionals and bodes well for our mens national team.

 

[snipes]

I'll give you 3 Amens and 2 Hallelujahs for that Christmas gift.

Although I do wish that Marner and McDavid were on this team. Perhaps this spring in Paris.

The bickering was too much.

Agreed, I'd love to see them play together at the WHC (although, hopefully McDavid won't be available because he's chasing Lord Stanley ).

I'm happy for Marner, Konecny, et al. that they've moved on. It's a good thing for the future of our mens teams.

 

[1Gold Standard]

The bickering was too much.

Agreed, I'd love to see them play together at the WHC (although, hopefully McDavid won't be available because he's chasing Lord Stanley ).

I'm happy for Marner, Konecny, et al. that they've moved on. It's a good thing for the future of our mens teams.

as of right now, Oil v Ducks 1st. rd. Ya, I wouldn't count on that happening unless McDavid does it all himself and goes insane. possible, but not likely.



my issue is not with players like McDavid Matthews Marner and Laine missing out on the tournament, it is fringe NHL players that still have a long way to go in their development missing out...but anyway, not important.

 

[snipes]

as of right now, Oil v Ducks 1st. rd. Ya, I wouldn't count on that happening unless McDavid does it all himself and goes insane. possible, but not likely.



my issue is not with players like McDavid Matthews Marner and Laine missing out on the tournament, it is fringe NHL players that still have a long way to go in their development missing out...but anyway, not important.

You already know if McDavid is available and healthy, he'll go. He loves representing his country.

Add to your list Hanifin, Konecny, Aho, Pulju, Provorov, Tkachuk, Chychrun, etc.

In some ways though, that's what makes the tournament exciting. For some of these guys this is the pinnacle of their career and they go all out knowing this might be the height of their career. It's 100% effort every shift.

I generally view it as players "graduating" on to becoming professionals. Can't help but be excited about the future of the NHL with the young talent we're seeing right now. They've moved on from the junior level.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It's players like Beauvillier that aren't being played in the NHL but yet don't get released that are frustrating.

 

[1Gold Standard]

You already know if McDavid is available and healthy, he'll go. He loves representing his country.

Add to your list Hanifin, Konecny, Aho, Pulju, Provorov, Tkachuk, Chychrun, etc.

In some ways though, that's what makes the tournament exciting. For some of these guys this is the pinnacle of their career and they go all out knowing this might be the height of their career. It's 100% effort every shift.

I generally view it as players "graduating" on to becoming professionals. Can't help but be excited about the future of the NHL with the young talent we're seeing right now. They've moved on from the junior level.

Nah, as this point I wouldn't say these players have graduated to be pros. They still have a few years of development ahead of them, especially Pulju. He should absolutely be playing for Finland this tournament. without question...

 

[snipes]

Nah, as this point I wouldn't say these players have graduated to be pros. They still have a few years of development ahead of them, especially Pulju. He should absolutely be playing for Finland this tournament. without question...

Pulju will be in the lineup tonight. But yeah, it can be a bit frustrating if the guys aren't regulars, but it makes sense why NHL teams are reluctant to release players who have roster spots.

I'd say Tkachuk has definitely graduated to being a pro.

 

[JackSlater]

I tend to view it as a good thing for Canada when we have guys that could play, but don't.

It's a positive thing they've moved on to being professionals and bodes well for our mens national team.

Yes, missing players is a decent predictor of future success. It's probably a better predictor than actually winning the WJC. I looked at it a few months ago, and I believe that Canada has used more players at the best on best level since 2002 that missed the WJC due to the NHL than it has players who have won WJC gold, though it was close. It hurts when it comes to actually winning the WJC though.

as of right now, Oil v Ducks 1st. rd. Ya, I wouldn't count on that happening unless McDavid does it all himself and goes insane. possible, but not likely.

my issue is not with players like McDavid Matthews Marner and Laine missing out on the tournament, it is fringe NHL players that still have a long way to go in their development missing out...but anyway, not important.

It's players like Beauvillier that aren't being played in the NHL but yet don't get released that are frustrating.

I agree, it is annoying when players are kept in the NHL to be scratched like Beauvillier and a few others. Doesn't seem like a good way to develop potential top offensive talent.

 

[snipes]

Yes, missing players is a decent predictor of future success. It's probably a better predictor than actually winning the WJC. I looked at it a few months ago, and I believe that Canada has used more players at the best on best level since 2002 that missed the WJC due to the NHL than it has players who have won WJC gold, though it was close. It hurts when it comes to actually winning the WJC though.

I think you're right about it being a better predictor of future success.

I mean look at how many players Canada was missing from 1983-85, a fair number of those players went on to future Canada Cups. Again 2008-10, many of those players helped Canada win Olympic Golds and WHC Gold.

 

[luki here]

It's players like Beauvillier that aren't being played in the NHL but yet don't get released that are frustrating.

beau played yesterday.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

beau played yesterday.

So he is good to sit the next 6 or 7.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

I tend to view it as a good thing for Canada when we have guys that could play, but don't.

It's a positive thing they've moved on to being professionals and bodes well for our mens national team.

I feel exactly the same way for the US. I want our guys to perform well enough that their teams wont let them go (however, in the case of Fischer and the AHL.....). It means our kids are playing well. It also makes its a more level playing field with Canada when we have some guys who cant play.....helps me take stock objectively of where our program is.

 

[JackSlater]

I think you're right about it being a better predictor of future success.

I mean look at how many players Canada was missing from 1983-85, a fair number of those players went on to future Canada Cups. Again 2008-10, many of those players helped Canada win Olympic Golds and WHC Gold.

I found where I went through this before. In recent best on best competition these are the players who won WJC gold and the players who missed the WJC due to NHL commitment. Note that plenty of players are in both situations, and also that the 2005 lockout skews things a little.

2002

Gold WJC: Fleury, Iginla, Jovanovski, Kariya, Lindros, Niedermayer, Peca, Pronger, Sakic, Smyth,

Missed WJC: Brewer, Gagne, Iginla, Jovanovski, Kariya, Lemieux, Lindros, Niedermayer, Nolan, Pronger, Sakic, Smyth, Yzerman

2004

Gold WJC: Draper, Iginla, Jovanovski, Niedermayer, Redden, Sakic, Smyth, Theodore, Thornton,

Missed WJC: Brewer, Doan, Gagne, Iginla, Jovanovski, Lecavalier, Lemieux, Marleau, Niedermayer, Redden, Regehr, Sakic, Smyth, Thornton,

2006

Gold WJC: Draper, Iginla, McCabe, Pronger, Redden, Sakic, Smyth, Thornton,

Missed WJC: Bouwmeester, Doan, Gagne, Iginla, Lecavalier, Nash, Pronger, Redden, Regehr, Sakic, Smyth, Thornton,

2010

Gold WJC: Bergeron, Crosby, Doughty, Getzlaf, Iginla, Niedermayer, Perry, Pronger, Richards, Seabrook, Thornton, Toews, Weber

Missed WJC: Bergeron, Crosby, Doughty, Iginla, Marleau, Nash, Niedermayer, Pronger, Staal, Thornton, Toews

2014

Gold WJC: Benn, Bergeron, Carter, Crosby, Doughty, Getzlaf, Perry, Pietrangelo, Price, Subban, Tavares, Toews, Weber

Missed WJC: Bergeron, Bouwmeester, Crosby, Doughty, Duchene, Marleau, Nash, Tavares, Toews, Vlasic

 

[snipes]

I feel exactly the same way for the US. I want our guys to perform well enough that their teams wont let them go (however, in the case of Fischer and the AHL.....). It means our kids are playing well. It also makes its a more level playing field with Canada when we have some guys who cant play.....helps me take stock objectively of where our program is.

This is a great sign for the USA. Matthews, Hanifin, Tkachuk, Werenski, Fischer -- those are serious players. It's a good sign.

I've analyzed Jackie's thread about missing players. He's right, missing players are a better indication of future success at the Men's level than WJC Golds are.

Add in Eichel to that list above, you Yanks are a serious threat. It's a good sign this many good young NA players are in the NHL. The game is in good hands and the future is bright.

 

[snipes]

I found where I went through this before. In recent best on best competition these are the players who won WJC gold and the players who missed the WJC due to NHL commitment. Note that plenty of players are in both situations, and also that the 2005 lockout skews things a little.

2002

Gold WJC: Fleury, Iginla, Jovanovski, Kariya, Lindros, Niedermayer, Peca, Pronger, Sakic, Smyth,

Missed WJC: Brewer, Gagne, Iginla, Jovanovski, Kariya, Lemieux, Lindros, Niedermayer, Nolan, Pronger, Sakic, Smyth, Yzerman

2004

Gold WJC: Draper, Iginla, Jovanovski, Niedermayer, Redden, Sakic, Smyth, Theodore, Thornton,

Missed WJC: Brewer, Doan, Gagne, Iginla, Jovanovski, Lecavalier, Lemieux, Marleau, Niedermayer, Redden, Regehr, Sakic, Smyth, Thornton,

2006

Gold WJC: Draper, Iginla, McCabe, Pronger, Redden, Sakic, Smyth, Thornton,

Missed WJC: Bouwmeester, Doan, Gagne, Iginla, Lecavalier, Nash, Pronger, Redden, Regehr, Sakic, Smyth, Thornton,

2010

Gold WJC: Bergeron, Crosby, Doughty, Getzlaf, Iginla, Niedermayer, Perry, Pronger, Richards, Seabrook, Thornton, Toews, Weber

Missed WJC: Bergeron, Crosby, Doughty, Iginla, Marleau, Nash, Niedermayer, Pronger, Staal, Thornton, Toews

2014

Gold WJC: Benn, Bergeron, Carter, Crosby, Doughty, Getzlaf, Perry, Pietrangelo, Price, Subban, Tavares, Toews, Weber

Missed WJC: Bergeron, Bouwmeester, Crosby, Doughty, Duchene, Marleau, Nash, Tavares, Toews, Vlasic

I'm on board with your theory, I analyzed your other thread. The players missing from the WJC are a greater predictor of future success at the Mens level than are WJC Gold medals.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It's players like Beauvillier that aren't being played in the NHL but yet don't get released that are frustrating.

He played vs Sens a couple days back as well. I agree with the principle though; If they are not playing regularly, allow them to play at the WJC.

 

[Canuck21t]

This is a great sign for the USA. Matthews, Hanifin, Tkachuk, Werenski, Fischer -- those are serious players. It's a good sign.

I've analyzed Jackie's thread about missing players. He's right, missing players are a better indication of future success at the Men's level than WJC Golds are.

Add in Eichel to that list above, you Yanks are a serious threat. It's a good sign this many good young NA players are in the NHL. The game is in good hands and the future is bright.

Team USA will be so strong in a couple years at the senior elite level. For the first time IMO, it'll be on par with Team Canada.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

Nah, as this point I wouldn't say these players have graduated to be pros. They still have a few years of development ahead of them, especially Pulju. He should absolutely be playing for Finland this tournament. without question...

Not to derail the thread, but in what world is Matthew Tkachuk not yet a pro?

 

[Leafs87]

Team Canada looks pretty weak this year. Not the typical "it's Canada's to lose" like in the past. Guess it hasn't been like that in a while though aside from the Domi-McDavid year

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Team Canada looks pretty weak this year. Not the typical "it's Canada's to lose" like in the past. Guess it hasn't been like that in a while though aside from the Domi-McDavid year

They sure looked it in their three games against Finland and Czechs.