TheBeastCoast
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Isn't this the kind of thing that is supposed to come when we haven't scored 5 minutes into the first game not 10 days before the first game?
WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 2
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Isn't this the kind of thing that is supposed to come when we haven't scored 5 minutes into the first game not 10 days before the first game?
Not sure if you're aware, but those two guys are very good offensive players, and this Team isn't exactly loaded with talent compared to years prior.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict leaving those guys off of our team will come back to bite us in the ass. Sorry if you've got a problem with that.
TheBeastCoast
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Not sure if you're aware, but those two guys are very good offensive players, and this Team isn't exactly loaded with talent compared to years prior.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict leaving those guys off of our team will come back to bite us in the ass. Sorry if you've got a problem with that.
Yes I am fairly familiar with Girard lol but it is pretty clear you completely missed my point so carry on.
SpoolCat
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Pretty much like everyone else I'm not crazy about not having Steel and Girard and having guys who have barely played this year Bean and Speers. As for goal tending I think i'm with JJ Cale in a wait and see approach, Carter Hart has excellent numbers as does Ingram but it always seems like our goaltending craps the bed during this tournament. I still do think we can win though it looks like we should be relatively versatile and hopefully relentless, I like our defense being full of puck movers. I think it's pretty tough for anyone in this tournament to beat Strome and Barzal for our top two centres.Overall this team won't roll through the competition like in 2015 but I defiantly think they can win.
We will see on Hart if he gets more than 20 shots a game how he does. Because thats all he sees in the dub every game.
Ingram has faced 200 more shots against than Hart so far this season, and has a .935 sv pct while Hart has a .928 sv pct.
My guess is Ingram will be taking the starting role off of him at some point.
I play against btw . And honestly , Morin was bad in WJ
For Taking Clague > Girard , somebody talk about Clague was better in D-Zone , but Lauzon best than Clague agree? So you have already your secure D with Lauzon . Girard for def 7 give more option and upset to team Canada
Like Steel for 13th
Jason MacIsaac
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One of these guys made the NHL out of camp...the other was a first round cut. Speers is the betier player atm.
JackSlater
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The issue with Speers is his wrist and how little he's played this year, not really how good he is when healthy. He looked fine (very smart) in the camp though, and recovered when he took a shot on the wrist in the second game. Based on camp performance he deserves his spot.
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Canada4Gold
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It wouldn't have been a Speers/Steel decision for me. I had Steel ahead of Dube, Cirelli, and Joseph. Probably in addition to McLeod as well, and maybe Roy, as well as Speers. Pretty much everyone in the bottom 6 except 1 guy(not sure who's going to be that guy just yet). So my 8th best forward? Of course there's more to building a team than just taking what you deem the best 13 forwards, but if you view a guy as probably the 8th best he doesn't get left off.
I thought Steel was going to make the team pretty easily. Oh well gotta trust they know what they're doing, the time for complaining if after if it doesn't work.
I thought Steel was going to make the team pretty easily. Oh well gotta trust they know what they're doing, the time for complaining if after if it doesn't work.
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I get that Speers is a 19 year old and I generally understand picking the older guy, but he's coming off an injury and barely played this year.
Look at last year, Brayden Point was highly ineffective and under performed coming off a shoulder injury he was clearly still suffering lingering effects from. If you can't play with 100% fearless effort, it hurts the team at this level. Especially with the type of relentless attacking style team Ducharme has assembled.
Steel is on fire right now in the WHL and looked good in camp, this decision is strange. However, I'll defer to Ducharme. I trust his judgment.
Look at last year, Brayden Point was highly ineffective and under performed coming off a shoulder injury he was clearly still suffering lingering effects from. If you can't play with 100% fearless effort, it hurts the team at this level. Especially with the type of relentless attacking style team Ducharme has assembled.
Steel is on fire right now in the WHL and looked good in camp, this decision is strange. However, I'll defer to Ducharme. I trust his judgment.
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Not taking Girard i can completely understand. I think with Chabot and Bean you've already got 2 lefty shooters who can absolutely run a good PP and provide a bunch of offense from the back end. They're also both better "all around" players. I just don't see much need for a LH offensive specialist with this particular group. Other years maybe you take Girard as a Ryan Ellis type specialist - but that "niche" is already something of a strength for this group.
You've also got Fabbro who belongs on a PP as a RH shot. That's 3/4 PP point men, and if anything...that 4th is probably either another RH shot, or a 4 forward set.
So if you're not going to end up using your 7th D "specialist" on the PP...i think it makes more sense to just bring a guy who is going to bring a somewhat different skillset, and some more utility on the PK instead. Especially with the way this blueline is lacking that true horse #1D type this year - they're going to have to do it by committee. It's the more matchup-D and defensive specialist end of things that's probably more lacking with this group.
I don't think that's really too controversial a decision not to take Girard. I wouldn't have taken him on my team either this year.
The Sam Steel thing though...That's a bit weird to me. Props to them for having the guts to cut essentially the top scorer in the WHL. It would be a lot easier to just take the guy piling up the points in club play, and they wouldn't face any criticism for it. Deciding not to take him though, if it doesn't go well and this team can't score...they're going to be roasted for this decision.
I'm not really sure why they wouldn't take him though. Even if you figure Strome and Barzal are going to be the top-2 Centers and soak up most of the prime offensive minutes...with a tournament like this, there's always room for a 3rd scoring line.
I guess if they're really not big fans of the way Steel's game translates on the wing and feel a more natural winger like Dube is going to be better there...I can understand wanting to go with some more robust players down the middle i suppose. It's the kind of decision that they could really regret though, if this team ends up with problems scoring. Bigtime potential to blow up in their faces if this tournament doesn't go well.
You've also got Fabbro who belongs on a PP as a RH shot. That's 3/4 PP point men, and if anything...that 4th is probably either another RH shot, or a 4 forward set.
So if you're not going to end up using your 7th D "specialist" on the PP...i think it makes more sense to just bring a guy who is going to bring a somewhat different skillset, and some more utility on the PK instead. Especially with the way this blueline is lacking that true horse #1D type this year - they're going to have to do it by committee. It's the more matchup-D and defensive specialist end of things that's probably more lacking with this group.
I don't think that's really too controversial a decision not to take Girard. I wouldn't have taken him on my team either this year.
The Sam Steel thing though...That's a bit weird to me. Props to them for having the guts to cut essentially the top scorer in the WHL. It would be a lot easier to just take the guy piling up the points in club play, and they wouldn't face any criticism for it. Deciding not to take him though, if it doesn't go well and this team can't score...they're going to be roasted for this decision.
I'm not really sure why they wouldn't take him though. Even if you figure Strome and Barzal are going to be the top-2 Centers and soak up most of the prime offensive minutes...with a tournament like this, there's always room for a 3rd scoring line.
I guess if they're really not big fans of the way Steel's game translates on the wing and feel a more natural winger like Dube is going to be better there...I can understand wanting to go with some more robust players down the middle i suppose. It's the kind of decision that they could really regret though, if this team ends up with problems scoring. Bigtime potential to blow up in their faces if this tournament doesn't go well.
Compared to previous years, is this roster the first one without the "star" on it in a while.
not knocking the quality of the players, but they don't seem to have either the upcoming draft's top projected pick (mackinnon/mcdavid) or a d+ 1 star in (marner). Am I wrong?
not knocking the quality of the players, but they don't seem to have either the upcoming draft's top projected pick (mackinnon/mcdavid) or a d+ 1 star in (marner). Am I wrong?
I don't think you're wrong. Patrick was supposed to be there this year as the potential #1, but even he didn't have the star power of previous top draft candidates. But on the other hand, the problem last year was a lack of team cohesion and maybe a bit too much of expecting the star players to carry the load. Going back to a more team-oriented unit might just be the best thing for Canada this year.
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I think you are wrong.
Strome is a dominant player at this level. He doesn't get any hype here because he's not Oilers/Leafs property but he should be far and away the best player at this tournament.
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We just have to get stellar goaltending out of one of those guys, we are long overdue.
Anybody else feel like this?
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A star as in a projected stud at the NHL level? Or a guy that's supposed to dominate this tournament? If you're referring to a future NHL stud, there's no McDavid/ Ekblad/ MacKinnon type player [MacKinnon didn't have a big role at this tournament when he played, though]. I think Strome would be the closest as he has a fair bit of name recognition being a 3rd overall pick that has dominated the OHL for a couple of years now. In terms of a player who's supposed to dominate this tournament, it would be Chabot and Strome, both of whom are returning players that had big roles last year.
Hoping Canada learnt from their failures last year. They tried to ride a few players to victory [Strome, Marner and Hicketts mainly] when too many teams had players just as good if not better than them. Canada's strength has always been their depth. They didn't use guys like Sanheim, Barzal and Konecny nearly enough. This team doesn't look dominant on paper, but once again, very few teams have the depth that they do.
Girard would have been one of the best defencemen on the team, so if TC would have used him as a PP specialist that's almost as stupid as not using him at all.
JackSlater
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Yes, I agree. In terms of "star" players, Strome (third pick in highly touted draft in d + 2 year) compares very favourably with anyone from the Canadian teams this decade other than 2013 (Mugent - Hopkins) and 2015 (just returned from injury McDavid). 2011 the star was Schenn. 2012 the star was... good luck finding one. 2014 the star was Drouin one year after the draft. 2016 the star was the alleged chemistry between Marner and... Strome. There is always a bit of revision with regard to how strong Canadian teams have been in the past. Generally, any player significantly better than the best players on this Canadian team (Strome, Barzal, Chabot) are in the NHL, so of course Canada can't use them.
They lost the first game and won the second game against CIS last year.
86Habs
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Well said about Steel. I believed he lined up at left wing throughout the camp and exhibition games so moving him over to the wing is something the coaching staff obviously envisioned from early on in terms of his role on this team, and provided him with the opportunity to impress at that position. While Steel's strengths and skillset are probably best utilized at center, we've had situations in the past...most recently two years ago...where skilled playmakers had to move to the wing and were successful doing so (Fabbri, Point, Petan all shuffled around quite a bit). I just don't think Steel fit into Ducharme's vision for this team. To me, the more curious cut was Senyshyn: natural winger, elite speed, good size, good shooter and goal scorer. His speed allows him to be very effective on the backcheck. Came into camp on a nice little hot streak. The one negative in his game that may have turned off the coaching staff is his persistence on trying to do everything himself (something McLeod is guilty of as well). Seems like Speers beat him out for that 3rd/4th line RW position, so things may be a little awkward in the Soo come January.
PecnoTrunk
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Last years team, all i remember from last year, and its not much, is that they just couldnt get anything going...very individualistic
coaching kept going back to the same crap...just like Therrien keeps going back to DD as a number 1 center....bwahahahaha
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