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WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 1

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tade said:
Let's not overreact. I know that you are often skeptical but still Canada has the best depth of all nations. Yes, at this level, you can't really replace players like Strome, Marner, Barzal, Konecny, Crouse etc. but other guys could step up. Canada have a lot of great young players who are just waiting for the opportunity.

Without their top players, Canada might not be the usual favorite for gold, but it won't be 'miracle' if they win even without their very top players.

All they will need is to select one compact team where each player will know his role and will play that role to his best ability + obviously very solid coaching staff / goaltenders. The talent will be there anyways. Possibly will not be the highest but still, it will be there.
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I said minor miracle. ;) but your point is well taken. I do enjoy being the grumpy bear, but grumpy bear is right more often than he is wrong. We'll see where we stand once December camp gets going...
 
Get North said:
It's surpising that Guhle and Bear didn't get invited to the Canadian summer camp, but they should be on the team. I wonder why they weren't invited to the summer camp.
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one problem is that we switch coaches from league to league every year and with it goes the bias.
Have a national full time coaching team and build a philosophy that is consistent.
Hire that chap that coached the Euros in the world cup.
 
Mr Writer said:
I said minor miracle. ;) but your point is well taken. I do enjoy being the grumpy bear, but grumpy bear is right more often than he is wrong. We'll see where we stand once December camp gets going...
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Alright, fair enough.

I tried to create lists of players, according to leagues, who could be in some way 'considered' for Team Canada. I would like to hear from you guys, if these lists are accurate or if I am missing someone important. Thanks.

OHL:

F: M. Marner, T. Konecny, L. Crouse, D. Strome, A. Mascherin, B. Speers, T. Raddysh, Z. Senyshyn, W. Bitten, M. McLeod, A. Cirelli, N. Bastian, B. Katchouk, J. Kyrou, M. Stephens, G. Vilardi, M. Strome, N. Caamano

D: J. Chychrun, K. Capobianco, M. Vande Sompel, V. Mete, L. Stanley, M. Spencer

G: E. Cormier

WHL:

F: N. Patrick, M. Barzal, T. Soy, N. Gregor, S. Steel, D. Dube, B. Howden, A. Wagner, K. Kolesar, J. Harkins, D. Sideroff, N. Merkley, T. Benson, H. Elynuik, J. Gabrielle

D: E. Bear, J. Bean, D. Quenneville, L. Johansen, K. Clague, C. Hobbs, M. Lajoie, C. Foote, B. Guhle, N. Juulsen

G: C. Hart, C. Ingram, Z. Sawchenko, A. Hill

QMJHL:

F: P.L. Dubois, A. Beauvillier, N. Roy, J. Gauthier, A. Fortin, M. Joseph, B. Gignac, JC Beaudin, M. Comtois, J. Veleno, P. Laberge, N. Noel

D: T. Chabot, J. Lauzon, P. Myers, S. Girard, J. Roy, N. Meloche, G. Brisebois, F. Allard

G: C. Booth, E. Fitzpatrick

Other leagues:

F: T. Jost, C. Morrison

D: D. Fabbro, D. Cholowski

G: J. LaFontaine
 
clarkebr said:
one problem is that we switch coaches from league to league every year and with it goes the bias.
Have a national full time coaching team and build a philosophy that is consistent.
Hire that chap that coached the Euros in the world cup.
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There are pros and cons to having a full time coach at the junior level (I wouldn't consider it at the senior level). Biggest con is that we can't trust Hockey Canada to pick a good coach. Krueger is an asset that Hockey Canada can hopefully use again in the future.

tade said:
Alright, fair enough.

I tried to create lists of players, according to leagues, who could be in some way 'considered' for Team Canada. I would like to hear from you guys, if these lists are accurate or if I am missing someone important. Thanks.

OHL:

F: M. Marner, T. Konecny, L. Crouse, D. Strome, A. Mascherin, B. Speers, T. Raddysh, Z. Senyshyn, W. Bitten, M. McLeod, A. Cirelli, N. Bastian, B. Katchouk, J. Kyrou, M. Stephens, G. Vilardi, M. Strome, N. Caamano

D: J. Chychrun, K. Capobianco, M. Vande Sompel, V. Mete, L. Stanley, M. Spencer

G: E. Cormier

WHL:

F: N. Patrick, M. Barzal, T. Soy, N. Gregor, S. Steel, D. Dube, B. Howden, A. Wagner, K. Kolesar, J. Harkins, D. Sideroff, N. Merkley, T. Benson, H. Elynuik, J. Gabrielle

D: E. Bear, J. Bean, D. Quenneville, L. Johansen, K. Clague, C. Hobbs, M. Lajoie, C. Foote, B. Guhle, N. Juulsen

G: C. Hart, C. Ingram, Z. Sawchenko, A. Hill

QMJHL:

F: P.L. Dubois, A. Beauvillier, N. Roy, J. Gauthier, A. Fortin, M. Joseph, B. Gignac, JC Beaudin, M. Comtois, J. Veleno, P. Laberge, N. Noel

D: T. Chabot, J. Lauzon, P. Myers, S. Girard, J. Roy, N. Meloche, G. Brisebois, F. Allard

G: C. Booth, E. Fitzpatrick

Other leagues:

F: T. Jost, C. Morrison

D: D. Fabbro, D. Cholowski

G: J. LaFontaine
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That is a liberal but probably pretty accurate list. Have to think that players from the summer camp are also being at least slightly considered.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/Junior/2016-17/Camps/Roster-Development

Only player missing from your list is Knott, who is a huge longshot anyway.
 
JackSlater said:
There are pros and cons to having a full time coach at the junior level (I wouldn't consider it at the senior level). Biggest con is that we can't trust Hockey Canada to pick a good coach. Krueger is an asset that Hockey Canada can hopefully use again in the future.



That is a liberal but probably pretty accurate list. Have to think that players from the summer camp are also being at least slightly considered.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/Junior/2016-17/Camps/Roster-Development

Only player missing from your list is Knott, who is a huge longshot anyway.
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I've flip flopped on the issue of a fulltime jr. coach. I was at one time in favor of it, but I think 'd rather it to be more of a revolving door now, just with a little bit more of a commitment from a specific group of coaches taking a U18 group all the way through to the U20 tournament. Coaches "age out" with their players. 1 fulltime junior head coach would be too systems focused and less skills focused. And that's where Sweden/Finland ran into trouble. We did as well with regards to our goaltending.

I'd rather win more WJHC tournaments, but sometimes you got to lose in order to win.
 
Mr Writer said:
I've flip flopped on the issue of a fulltime jr. coach. I was at one time in favor of it, but I think 'd rather it to be more of a revolving door now, just with a little bit more of a commitment from a specific group of coaches taking a U18 group all the way through to the U20 tournament. Coaches "age out" with their players. 1 fulltime junior head coach would be too systems focused and less skills focused. And that's where Sweden/Finland ran into trouble. We did as well with regards to our goaltending.

I'd rather win more WJHC tournaments, but sometimes you got to lose in order to win.
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Yes, that is close to my position. I would rather more coaches get reps than just one guy. Also, the prospect of Hockey Canada hiring a Spott or Lowry for a long term position is too high to be ignored.
 
Team Canada will be fine. We play each year OHL/WHL/QMJHL series with Russia and more often than not, those teams look better than the Russian. What does that tell you? That we will be having serious problems when without our 6 best players? I don't think so.
 
NA Scouting said:
It could be a good year for the Q. Who do you see making the team? I am unsure about the OHL and WHL defensemen, but somehow it feels like the Q has a lot of great candidates. Can they outplay Juulsen, Chychrun, Bean, Bear, Fabbro, etc?

F Pierre-Luc Dubois
F Anthony Beauvillier
F Nicolas Roy
F Julien Gauthier
Other candidates: Alexandre Fortin, Mathieu Joseph, Brandon Gignac, JC Beaudin, Maxime Comtois, Joe Veleno, Pascal Laberge

D Thomas Chabot
D Jeremy Lauzon
D Philippe Myers
D Samuel Girard
D Jeremy Roy
Other candidates: Nicolas Meloche, Guillaume Brisebois, Frederic Allard

G Callum Booth
G Evan Fitzpatrick
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Team Canada never likes Quebec league players that much for some reason though.
 
TheFatOne said:
Can Sprong play? He would be a great add. Played great in AHL playoffs.
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Even if he was eligible, he injured his shoulder in practice during the Pens stanley cup run. He's out at least until the beginning of the new year.
 
TheFatOne said:
Can Sprong play? He would be a great add. Played great in AHL playoffs.
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In addition to the injury, nothing out there indicates that his citizenship situation has concluded. Kind of surprising since he applied years ago.
 
90-95 percent sure that Travis Konecny is on the Flyers for the opening night. He's had outstanding training camp, played constatnly on the 2nd line with Couturier and Voracek, but also had shifts with Giroux, Simmonds. He's top 6 LW option for the Flyers coming into the season.

And I believe that it is not going to be only 9 games test for him. Hextall doesn't like giving young players only a few games in the NHL and send them back to juniors. That's not his style. Player either make it out of training camp or not.

JackSlater said:
There are pros and cons to having a full time coach at the junior level (I wouldn't consider it at the senior level). Biggest con is that we can't trust Hockey Canada to pick a good coach. Krueger is an asset that Hockey Canada can hopefully use again in the future.



That is a liberal but probably pretty accurate list. Have to think that players from the summer camp are also being at least slightly considered.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/Junior/2016-17/Camps/Roster-Development

Only player missing from your list is Knott, who is a huge longshot anyway.
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Thanks, damn, I completely forgot about summer camp, it would be much easier If I had that link. :laugh:
 
tade said:
90-95 percent sure that Travis Konecny is on the Flyers for the opening night. He's had outstanding training camp, played constatnly on the 2nd line with Couturier and Voracek, but also had shifts with Giroux, Simmonds. He's top 6 LW option for the Flyers coming into the season.

And I believe that it is not going to be only 9 games test for him. Hextall doesn't like giving young players only a few games in the NHL and send them back to juniors. That's not his style. Player either make it out of training camp or not.

Thanks, damn, I completely forgot about summer camp, it would be much easier If I had that link. :laugh:
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I am not enamored with the idea of Konecny playing his style at his current weight in the NHL for a season, but we'll see what happens. He would be a big loss for Canada.
 
Dubois - Barzal - Marner
Jost - Mcleod - Konecy
Crouse - Beaullivier - Gauthier
Digiacinto - Stephens - Kolesar
Kyrou

Chabot - Juulsen
Bean - Lauzon
Chychrun - Roy
Fabbro

Ingram
Cormier
 
Ariouch said:
Dubois - Barzal - Marner
Jost - Mcleod - Konecy
Crouse - Beaullivier - Gauthier
Digiacinto - Stephens - Kolesar
Kyrou

Chabot - Juulsen
Bean - Lauzon
Chychrun - Roy
Fabbro

Ingram
Cormier
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Marner is as good as gone, Konecny, Barzal are very likely gone, Dubois , Crouse and Chychrun have a chance of sticking if they impress in the regular season.
 
Dubois - Jost - Marner
Mccleod - Barzal - Konecy
Kyrou - Beaullivier - Gauthier
Digiacinto - Stephens - Kolesar
Crouse

Bean - Fabbro
Chabot - Roy
Chychrun - Juulsen
Lauzon

Ingram
Cormier
 
Ariouch said:
Dubois - Jost - Marner
Mccleod - Barzal - Konecy
Kyrou - Beaullivier - Gauthier
Digiacinto - Stephens - Kolesar
Crouse

Bean - Fabbro
Chabot - Roy
Chychrun - Juulsen
Lauzon

Ingram
Cormier
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Welcome back Mr.Shirley.

Digiacinto is 96 born....he is not available.
 
TheFatOne said:
Welcome back Mr.Shirley.

Digiacinto is 96 born....he is not available.
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Thank you for remembering the Shirley thing. Digiacinto has a chance. It's a 20 and under tournament and he's 20. So you're wrong. Again. :shakehead
 
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Ariouch said:
Thank you for remembering the Shirley thing. Digiacinto has a chance. It's a 20 and under tournament and he's 20. So you're wrong. Again. :shakehead
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Your post prior to editing, in which you said that it was back to the drawing board for you, was accurate. Go find the rules for the WJC.
 
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