WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 1

[themelkman]

Why is Roy no longer on any of these rosters

 

[1Gold Standard]

Hope the vacation was good .

I'm with you on Bear, he should be there. Strome and Marner looked very off and don't have the chemistry TSN/Hockey Canada are trying to force down our throats. Hopefully one or both of them are in the NHL, just can't see them leading us to victory.

I'm really hoping they bring in a lot of guys for camp and have intense competition for spots. The effort level and compete were not good enough at the showcase. Konecny looked good, should be the captain this year.

vaca was terrific. 18 days in the Okanagan where all true patriots go to rest up. If only the bozos at Hockey Canada were patriots, I wouldn't be fretting so much...but winning tournaments isn't exactly Hockey Canada's number 1 priority.

Hopefully a few nonamers will emerge and salvage this wreck. Looking forward to the start of the junior season.

The ice maker at the ACC would be smart to bury 4 lucky loonies at center ice, because we are going to need it to make it out of the prelims and on to the medal rd.

And the ice maker at Centre Bell may as well bury 8 lucky loonies...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Why is Roy no longer on any of these rosters

sliced

 

[snipes]

vaca was terrific. 18 days in the Okanagan where all true patriots go to rest up. If only the bozos at Hockey Canada were patriots, I wouldn't be fretting so much...but winning tournaments isn't exactly Hockey Canada's number 1 priority.

Hopefully a few nonamers will emerge and salvage this wreck. Looking forward to the start of the junior season.

The ice maker at the ACC would be smart to bury 4 lucky loonies at center ice, because we are going to need it to make it out of the prelims and on to the medal rd.

And the ice maker at Centre Bell may as well bury 8 lucky loonies...

Good to hear, it hasn't been the same recently without you around. Even if you can be a tad grumpy (jokes).

As they say about the Okanagan/Kelowna area, it's Kelownifornia. Beautiful out there, I usually get out there once every other year or so to visit some old University friends.

Back to business, the effort level was abysmal outside of a few guys. Strome looked completely checked out and unwilling to forecheck, indeed pretty much everyone looked soft. That was not the Canadian way. The only players who played the right way were Konecny and Jost had his moments.

Those jerseys are beautiful, I love the black shoulders. But those guys need to earn the right to wear it. **** it, bring in a bunch of hard working 19 year olds from across all the leagues and have an intense tryout camp and see who wants to battle and represent their country. Nothing should be given to anyone after last year and this years pathetic showcase.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Good to hear, it hasn't been the same recently without you around. Even if you can be a tad grumpy (jokes).

As they say about the Okanagan/Kelowna area, it's Kelownifornia. Beautiful out there, I usually get out there once every other year or so to visit some old University friends.

Back to business, the effort level was abysmal outside of a few guys. Strome looked completely checked out and unwilling to forecheck, indeed pretty much everyone looked soft. That was not the Canadian way. The only players who played the right way were Konecny and Jost had his moments.

Those jerseys are beautiful, I love the black shoulders. But those guys need to earn the right to wear it. **** it, bring in a bunch of hard working 19 year olds from across all the leagues and have an intense tryout camp and see who wants to battle and represent their country. Nothing should be given to anyone after last year and this years pathetic showcase.

haha. I'm not grumpy...just calling out incompetence when and where I see it. And the bureaucraps at Hockey Canada have it in spades...except for when it comes to gouging the Canadian hockey fan...they do that exceptionally well. They are the McDavids of swindle.


As for Strome, his motivation or lack there of is a real problem, but it is a real problem with Canadian juniors, especially the 19 year old high draft pick who boasts to the media horde at junior summer camp on how they're done with junior hockey. Hockey Canada bureaucraps and coaches seem incapable or unwilling to deal with it. If it were me making the decisions, it would be an easy decision to make, he's not on this team at Christmas. Arizona could beg me to take him out of the pressbox, I'd say no thanks. I'd take my chances with a 3rd. rounder who is motivated than watch Strome drag his attitude around. If I lose - I lose. So be it.

 

[snipes]

haha. I'm not grumpy...just calling out incompetence when and where I see it. And the bureaucraps at Hockey Canada have it in spades...except for when it comes to gouging the Canadian hockey fan...they do that exceptionally well. They are the McDavids of swindle.


As for Strome, his motivation or lack there of is a real problem, but it is a real problem with Canadian juniors, especially the 19 year old high draft pick who boasts to the media horde at junior summer camp on how they're done with junior hockey. Hockey Canada bureaucraps and coaches seem incapable or unwilling to deal with it. If it were me making the decisions, it would be an easy decision to make, he's not on this team at Christmas. Arizona could beg me to take him out of the pressbox, I'd say no thanks.

If Strome is the self-entitled high NHL draft pick, Ethan Bear is his anti-thesis.

Bear exploded this season in the WHL. He had the best postseason of any WHL defender during the 2016 WHL playoffs. For you historians and Canadian diehard fans, compare the 2016 WHL Playoff Statistics between Bear and Provorov.

Does someone want to argue against Bear being included on Team Canada? Draft +1:
Right shot.
19 years old.
2015-16 Regular Season: 65 points (19 Goals) in 69 Games.
2016 WHL Postseason:22 points in 18 Games, +11

Who had a better postseason as a Canadian Dman playing in the CHL? Bear dominated. I know I have you convinced MW, this kid needs to be on the team. He can be the RHD who can QB the PP. He could be an Ellis type player. Just effective and plays the Canadian way every time that jersey is on.

If Strome and/or Marner truly believe they are above this level, good riddance. I'd actually rather see both gone. Name Konecny the captain. Kid plays with heart and soul. He's a machine on the forecheck, reminds me of a skilled Jordin Tootoo.

Bring in a bunch of hard as **** 19 year old Canadian boys who are ready to fight for their country. I hope the tryout camp has 40+ invites. Full contact scrimmages. You want to wear the uniform, it's an honour you fight for every second. You can't give 100% full heart and soul? Good bye. That's not the Canadian way.

 

[wishywashy19]

If Strome is the self-entitled high NHL draft pick, Ethan Bear is his anti-thesis.

Bear exploded this season in the WHL. He had the best postseason of any WHL defender during the 2016 WHL playoffs. For you historians and Canadian diehard fans, compare the 2016 WHL Playoff Statistics between Bear and Provorov.

Does someone want to argue against Bear being included on Team Canada? Draft +1:
Right shot.
19 years old.
2015-16 Regular Season: 65 points (19 Goals) in 69 Games.
2016 WHL Postseason:22 points in 18 Games, +11

Who had a better postseason as a Canadian Dman playing in the CHL? Bear dominated. I know I have you convinced MW, this kid needs to be on the team. He can be the RHD who can QB the PP. He could be an Ellis type player. Just effective and plays the Canadian way every time that jersey is on.

If Strome and/or Marner truly believe they are above this level, good riddance. I'd actually rather see both gone. Name Konecny the captain. Kid plays with heart and soul. He's a machine on the forecheck, reminds me of a skilled Jordin Tootoo.

Bring in a bunch of hard as **** 19 year old Canadian boys who are ready to fight for their country. I hope the tryout camp has 40+ invites. Full contact scrimmages. You want to wear the uniform, it's an honour you fight for every second. You can't give 100% full heart and soul? Good bye. That's not the Canadian way.

I am of the opinion you guys are on to something here. I also believe the so called team leaders have their heads in the wrong place.

 

[JackSlater]

haha. I'm not grumpy...just calling out incompetence when and where I see it. And the bureaucraps at Hockey Canada have it in spades...except for when it comes to gouging the Canadian hockey fan...they do that exceptionally well. They are the McDavids of swindle.


As for Strome, his motivation or lack there of is a real problem, but it is a real problem with Canadian juniors, especially the 19 year old high draft pick who boasts to the media horde at junior summer camp on how they're done with junior hockey. Hockey Canada bureaucraps and coaches seem incapable or unwilling to deal with it. If it were me making the decisions, it would be an easy decision to make, he's not on this team at Christmas. Arizona could beg me to take him out of the pressbox, I'd say no thanks. I'd take my chances with a 3rd. rounder who is motivated than watch Strome drag his attitude around. If I lose - I lose. So be it.

Why are you so fixated on Strome? He was arguably Canada's best player last year and actually looked like he cared about what was happening. Marner was the one who repeatedly said that there was nothing to worry about and that the team was playing well when they obviously weren't.

I do think that an attitude problem has developed with the juniors where the spectacle of even making the team is treated like some godly accomplishment. Strome isn't the main issue by any stretch though.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Why are you so fixated on Strome? He was arguably Canada's best player last year and actually looked like he cared about what was happening. Marner was the one who repeatedly said that there was nothing to worry about and that the team was playing well when they obviously weren't.

I do think that an attitude problem has developed with the juniors where the spectacle of even making the team is treated like some godly accomplishment. Strome isn't the main issue by any stretch though.

We've had this discussion before... his play wasn't all that great...and stinking the least on a team that finished 6th. doesn't mean much. They were all gawd awful. but Strome just makes it too easy for me to single him out...mouthing off to TSN on how he's done with junior hockey...for starters, score 25 NHL goals in a season and then talk...until then keep your head down and mouth shut. Of course he was probably forced into media availability by the ******** at Hockey Canada. Too bad I can't get a hold of some of these players and smack some sense into them.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Why are you so fixated on Strome? He was arguably Canada's best player last year and actually looked like he cared about what was happening. Marner was the one who repeatedly said that there was nothing to worry about and that the team was playing well when they obviously weren't.

I do think that an attitude problem has developed with the juniors where the spectacle of even making the team is treated like some godly accomplishment. Strome isn't the main issue by any stretch though.

I agree. Strome was the best player and likely would be the best player again if he were on the team. It's a loss if he's not there.

 

[1Gold Standard]

At least now I know why Strome's skating sucks. That's an incredibly weighted ego and attitude he has to drag around with him out there. It must be tough.

Good luck to him in Arizona. I hope he scores 40 and is an all-star someday.

 

[PostAndOut]

I agree. Strome was the best player and likely would be the best player again if he were on the team. It's a loss if he's not there.

The only reason that Strome and Marner were perceived as the best players is because they were on the ice all the time (therefore more visible) and got a few more points than others. With that ice time and power play time, they should have had more points. I don't blame them though. A coach needs to make adjustments when things aren't going well, and that didn't happen.

 

[JackSlater]

The only reason that Strome and Marner were perceived as the best players is because they were on the ice all the time (therefore more visible) and got a few more points than others. With that ice time and power play time, they should have had more points. I don't blame them though. A coach needs to make adjustments when things aren't going well, and that didn't happen.

I don't recall many people singling out Marner for praise after the tournament. He was the main forward recipient of Lowry's insane ice time distribution. Strome received good reviews at the time though. Neither should ever play together again.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

The only reason that Strome and Marner were perceived as the best players is because they were on the ice all the time (therefore more visible) and got a few more points than others. With that ice time and power play time, they should have had more points. I don't blame them though. A coach needs to make adjustments when things aren't going well, and that didn't happen.

The reason Strome was "perceived" as the best player is because he was the best player - unless there's someone else on the team you think was the best player...but I don't know who that would be.

Marner's performance was more frustrating to watch because he combined his extensive ice time and marathon shifts with being invisible at even strength. The only even strength points he mustered were against Denmark.

Most frustrating was watching Konecny, who is an extremely strong even strength player, sit on the bench.

Hopefully we will avoid the same coaching problems this time around - however, after what I saw at the summer showcase, I'm not optimistic.

 

[PostAndOut]

The reason Strome was "perceived" as the best player is because he was the best player - unless there's someone else on the team you think was the best player...but I don't know who that would be.

Marner's performance was more frustrating to watch because he combined his extensive ice time and marathon shifts with being invisible at even strength. The only even strength points he mustered were against Denmark.

Most frustrating was watching Konecny, who is an extremely strong even strength player, sit on the bench.

Hopefully we will avoid the same coaching problems this time around - however, after what I saw at the summer showcase, I'm not optimistic.

Pretty much agree with everything you just said. But my point was that the only reason Strome came away as possibly the best player is because he had the most opportunity. I think others could have been the best (including Konecny) if they were given the same opportunity. A big part of Canadian hockey is depth, and if something isn't working we have the depth to try something else. Comes down to coaching and management.

 

[jj cale]

The reason Strome was "perceived" as the best player is because he was the best player - unless there's someone else on the team you think was the best player...but I don't know who that would be.

Marner's performance was more frustrating to watch because he combined his extensive ice time and marathon shifts with being invisible at even strength. The only even strength points he mustered were against Denmark.

Most frustrating was watching Konecny, who is an extremely strong even strength player, sit on the bench.

Hopefully we will avoid the same coaching problems this time around - however, after what I saw at the summer showcase, I'm not optimistic.

The Konency situation was driving me nuts, he was playing REALLY well and Lowry started stapling him to the bench.

That is when I really started to question our coaching.

 

[stokie]

i agree, Konecny glued to the pine was painful. He seemed to make the best of his very limited ice time.

 

[JackSlater]

i agree, Konecny glued to the pine was painful. He seemed to make the best of his very limited ice time.

Crouse will probably be the default captain if he is available (third WJC tournament and all) but Konecny seems like exactly the kind of guy who should be given that role. At the very least hopefully he is actually given a spot in the top two lines if his play deserves it again.

 

[Heldig]

Whatever chemistry Strome and Marner previously had was not very apparent during the WJC. Lowry seemed intent to force it. I really wanted to see Konecny get time on Strome's RW.

As for Strome commenting that he was done with Juniors...I dont see a problem with it. Here is the full quote,

"For myself personally I obviously feel like I’m done with junior and I don’t want to be there next year,†Strome said Sunday from a Hockey Canada development camp. “But at the same time, I obviously want to play in the NHL for a long time in my career and if Arizona thinks that’s best for me next year then I don’t really have a choice, that’s obviously what I’m going to doâ€

 

[themelkman]

sliced

Confirmed hes out?

 

[Rhambo6]

I don't recall many people singling out Marner for praise after the tournament. He was the main forward recipient of Lowry's insane ice time distribution. Strome received good reviews at the time though. Neither should ever play together again.

Agree completely with this. Overall, after watching all of Canada's games I thought Koenecy and Strome were your two best guys at the time of these games. I also liked Belliveau when he played.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Crouse will probably be the default captain if he is available (third WJC tournament and all) but Konecny seems like exactly the kind of guy who should be given that role. At the very least hopefully he is actually given a spot in the top two lines if his play deserves it again.

I think Crouse is very unlikely at this point to be available. Arizona has their deadweight contracts to reach the salary cap floor, and at this point I think Arizona will plug in as many ELCs as possible, NHL ready or not.

I'm crossing Crouse off my list. As well as Strome, but I'm not too broken up about Strome. but you already knew that.

 

[JackSlater]

I think Crouse is very unlikely at this point to be available. Arizona has their deadweight contracts to reach the salary cap floor, and at this point I think Arizona will plug in as many ELCs as possible, NHL ready or not.

I'm crossing Crouse off my list. As well as Strome, but I'm not too broken up about Strome. but you already knew that.

You may be right. Arizona has less depth than Florida does, and the financials for a team like that make Crouse more attractive. Even if he makes the NHL though, he could be a prime candidate to be loaned. It's not like he's going to put up a lot of points.

At this point I'm considering any of Crouse/Strome/Marner that are part of Canada to be a bonus. I'm just hoping that the missing players are limited to those three plus McDavid. Losing another top forward like Konecny or Barzal would be a huge blow though.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

This was posted in the Dubois thread on the prospects board...

Take it for what it's worth, today's Columbus Dispatch CBJ podcast (Cannon Fodder), the writers are saying that they think the team is going to keep Dubois in the NHL this season. They claim that the team is laying the groundwork and preparing people for this to happen.

It's obviously nothing more than an educated guess, but they DID call the team preparing to pass on Puljujarvi and take Dubois instead back before the draft.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Confirmed hes out?

No as far as I know he's in