Speculation: 2017-2018 Trade Rumors Thread

[Dr Johnny Fever]

It's not just about "fast" players, that's the dumb thinking that Murray used on Hagelin and talentless scrubs like Chimera and Brown. Like you said, Boston's roster itself isn't made up of any speed burners, and Sharks on paper are just as slow as Ducks.

It's about fast execution/decision making, puck movement, and speed away from the puck. That's been one of this team's issues going back to BB. Execution level of this team on a nightly basis is about the level of a co-ed rec league team half ass-ing it through the game, so they can make it to the post game beers at the bar.

Apart from Rakell, none of the forwards can make plays at speed. It's the core issue that resonates through all of the symptoms we've seen in this team for years now. ****ty PP, horrid zone entries, terrible zone exits, etc etc. They are all just symptoms of the same festering disease on this team.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[bsu]

It's not just about "fast" players, that's the dumb thinking that Murray used on Hagelin and talentless scrubs like Chimera and Brown. Like you said, Boston's roster itself isn't made up of any speed burners, and Sharks on paper are just as slow as Ducks.

It's about fast execution/decision making, puck movement, and speed away from the puck. That's been one of this team's issues going back to BB. Execution level of this team on a nightly basis is about the level of a co-ed rec league team half ass-ing it through the game, so they can make it to the post game beers at the bar.

Apart from Rakell, none of the forwards can make plays at speed. It's the core issue that resonates through all of the symptoms we've seen in this team for years now. ****ty PP, horrid zone entries, terrible zone exits, etc etc. They are all just symptoms of the same festering disease on this team.

Kase?

 

[ADHB]

It's not just about "fast" players, that's the dumb thinking that Murray used on Hagelin and talentless scrubs like Chimera and Brown. Like you said, Boston's roster itself isn't made up of any speed burners, and Sharks on paper are just as slow as Ducks.

It's about fast execution/decision making, puck movement, and speed away from the puck. That's been one of this team's issues going back to BB. Execution level of this team on a nightly basis is about the level of a co-ed rec league team half ass-ing it through the game, so they can make it to the post game beers at the bar.

Apart from Rakell, none of the forwards can make plays at speed. It's the core issue that resonates through all of the symptoms we've seen in this team for years now. ****ty PP, horrid zone entries, terrible zone exits, etc etc. They are all just symptoms of the same festering disease on this team.

This is a great post. I think other guys like Kase can make plays at speed, and he does. But it’s a rarity. I think plenty of other players have the ability to do so, and probably have in the past on other teams. But this team and this coaching staff run a system that is completely outdated. Getzlaf has the ability to slow plays down, but the rest of the team doesn’t have to play that way. And Getzlaf certainly doesn’t have to start playing high octane hockey either. Different lines are allowed to play different styles. But this abomination of a coaching staff thinks every player and every line and every pairing needs to play the same archaic system.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Hagelin didn't work because the team was imbalanced on the skill side, if you remember this was around the time Murray was cutting depth practically every year. The losses started adding up, this was the same of season Bob gave away Palmieri.

Yes we need speed but where are you going to put it?

 

[Paul4587]

Nash is pretty fast still, same with DeBrusk

Nash isn’t fast any more. He’s lost his first step and relies more on strength and shooting ability now.

Debrusk is one player. Cogs is one of the fastest in the league but he doesn’t make our whole forward group fast.

 

[Exit Dose]

Hagelin didn't work because the team was imbalanced on the skill side, if you remember this was around the time Murray was cutting depth practically every year. The losses started adding up, this was the same of season Bob gave away Palmieri.

Yes we need speed but where are you going to put it?

Hagelin wasn't being held down here. Where was this hidden gear in Pittsburgh or New York? He has like one outlier season in all of that time.

 

[Kalv]

Hagelin wasn't being held down here. Where was this hidden gear in Pittsburgh or New York? He has like one outlier season in all of that time.

He has other speedy and somewhat capable players on his line now. Speed is nice but if your teammates can`t catch up, there is no point of rushing up ice to catch yourself alone against 2 defensemen and your linemates still at center ice.
It is easier for him to play his game in Pitsburgh, he just wasn`t a fit here albeit speed and PKing is what we need.
Keslers line wasn`t about to change, Getzlaf is not that effective with super fast players that can`t play physical and our 3d line was trash then. And Hagelin isn`t a creator, he is a complementary player so it was hard for him.

 

[Duck Off]

I'd say he put three rosters together capable of winning and the best one was the one that lost in round 1. This year's team is a little hard to judge with Fowler being out and Kesler being a bit of a mystery, on paper it's close, but I think it and the 2014 team are just on the outside.

What 3 years do you think we had a cup favorite roster?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What 3 years do you think we had a cup favorite roster?

Only 1 I would probably say we were favorites was the year we lost to Chicago, I suppose you could maybe argue us as 1 of the favorites last year too

We really got favorable matchups a lot of seasons tho... our record against teams that were consistently playoff teams is pretty bad
lost: La, Nash 3x, Chicago and San jose
Beat: Calgary 2x, Edmonton, dallas, Winnipeg

I think all the teams that we beat missed the playoffs the following year.

 

[AngelDuck]

What 3 years do you think we had a cup favorite roster?

"Cup favorite" is kind of a strange way of putting it IMO. I think we were legit Cup Contenders 2 or maybe 3 years.

For example, a team like Boston, Winnipeg, or Tampa this year isn't the "Cup Favorite", but they are certainly cup contenders.

The Cup favorites this year were Pittsburgh and Nashville I'd say. They're both down 2-1 right now.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

"Cup favorite" is kind of a strange way of putting it IMO. I think we were legit Cup Contenders 2 or maybe 3 years.

For example, a team like Boston, Winnipeg, or Tampa this year isn't the "Cup Favorite", but they are certainly cup contenders.

The Cup favorites this year were Pittsburgh and Nashville I'd say. They're both down 2-1 right now.

Yeah thats pretty much what I meant, and even then I think there's a solid argument that you can expand the number of cup contenders every year to a pretty decent number. Despite three teams winning almost every cup the past decade, I'd say parity is strong league-wide and there isn't much of a gap between higher seeds and lower ones. Bad teams don't make the playoffs anymore, nowadays good ones miss them.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

2015 was our best team since 2009, unfortunately even that team had significant flaws(extremely young goalies and defense)

Last year unfortunately it's a tough pill to swallow given the fact our goalie got hurt and Bernier couldn't step up but Nashville's number one center got hurt and we failed

 

[Ducks DVM]

He has other speedy and somewhat capable players on his line now. Speed is nice but if your teammates can`t catch up, there is no point of rushing up ice to catch yourself alone against 2 defensemen and your linemates still at center ice.
It is easier for him to play his game in Pitsburgh, he just wasn`t a fit here albeit speed and PKing is what we need.
Keslers line wasn`t about to change, Getzlaf is not that effective with super fast players that can`t play physical and our 3d line was trash then. And Hagelin isn`t a creator, he is a complementary player so it was hard for him.

I dunno. Getzlaf is extremely effective with Cogliano as a short handed duo. I don’t think he can play with two fast lightweights, but a fast lightweight who can shoot and a medium-fast player with physicality would probably work just fine.

 

[Dirk316]

2015 was our best team since 2009, unfortunately even that team had significant flaws(extremely young goalies and defense)

Last year unfortunately it's a tough pill to swallow given the fact our goalie got hurt and Bernier couldn't step up but Nashville's number one center got hurt and we failed

Anaheim was without Rackell and Eaves as well

 

[Duck Off]

Only 1 I would probably say we were favorites was the year we lost to Chicago, I suppose you could maybe argue us as 1 of the favorites last year too

We really got favorable matchups a lot of seasons tho... our record against teams that were consistently playoff teams is pretty bad
lost: La, Nash 3x, Chicago and San jose
Beat: Calgary 2x, Edmonton, dallas, Winnipeg

I think all the teams that we beat missed the playoffs the following year.

Agreed. IMO, the WCF loss to Chicago was the only team Murray constructed that looked to be one of the top contenders, if not the favorite.

"Cup favorite" is kind of a strange way of putting it IMO. I think we were legit Cup Contenders 2 or maybe 3 years.

For example, a team like Boston, Winnipeg, or Tampa this year isn't the "Cup Favorite", but they are certainly cup contenders.

The Cup favorites this year were Pittsburgh and Nashville I'd say. They're both down 2-1 right now.

See, I don't think, roster wise, our team was "Legit Cup Contenders" except the WCF loss. Each years there's a few teams who are clearly the teams to beat. This year it was clearly, Nashville, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh, and Tampa. Some years there's less. If you break down the rosters for the other years, there's clear weaknesses and holes. The WCF year didn't have those holes. Ideally a better upgrade happened at the deadline, but that team was still clearly one of the top teams going into the playoffs. Ironically the only year where I felt we were close to that was this year.

I just think the way GM's and coaches are judged here is very inaccurate. IMO, Vegas is the perfect example. That team is playing way over their heads when you look at that roster. It's an incredibly impressive season by those players and the coaching staff. McPhee appears to be getting just as much credit as Gallant, which seems insane to me. If they don't win this round or the next round, it will be primarily because of the lack of talent on the back end. That's on the GM. I'm not criticizing McPhee, making the playoffs is a major success for him and his team considering there wasn't a team a year ago. My point is that there's only so much a coach can do with his roster. Coaches are quick to fall for lack of success, but often times don't get the credit when they get a roster to perform much better than it is on paper. That's really where my irritation with Murray lies. He gave Bruce a Stanley Cup level team and Bruce shit the bed when Q made him his bitch. Prior to that? I think Bruce got more out of the rosters Murray provided. I never thought any of those teams were one of the clear contending teams going into the post season. I encourage anyone who disagrees to go look at those rosters like I have. There's several holes or young players filling positions they shouldn't have been counted on yet. I'm not upset that Bruce was fired. I think it's bullshit that he can fire Bruce because very good isn't good enough, but it's good enough for Murray. Let me reiterate, Murray is a terrific GM, and a GM should always get a longer leash than a coach due to parts of the job. However, it's time for a new voice. He doesn't accept very good from his coaches (unless you're his golf buddy apparently) and he managed to piss away the rest of the window.

 

[Duck Off]

Anaheim was without Rackell and Eaves as well

Being with out Eaves and Gibson is not a valid excuse. Not including the lockout season, Eaves has played more than 60 games 3 out of 10 seasons... Counting on him to play every game is just f***ing stupid. Same with Gibson. If you're going to count on very injury prone players playing primary roles you better have damn good backup plans in place. .

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

See, I don't think, roster wise, our team was "Legit Cup Contenders" except the WCF loss. Each years there's a few teams who are clearly the teams to beat. This year it was clearly, Nashville, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh, and Tampa. Some years there's less. If you break down the rosters for the other years, there's clear weaknesses and holes. The WCF year didn't have those holes. Ideally a better upgrade happened at the deadline, but that team was still clearly one of the top teams going into the playoffs. Ironically the only year where I felt we were close to that was this year.

That's probably not even the list (Boston?) and these lists pre-playoffs are always quite wrong. No 1 seed has ever won the cup under the new format(Pittsburgh is the only 2 seed) and no 1 or 2 has even made it out of the West. There's a reason our two WCF teams are the only ones most seem to even consider (despite the 2016 team easily being a comparable roster.

 

[Getzmonster]

If Eaves is healthy, I think Murray should just try to move him. Clear the salary and open up a roster spot.

 

[Dirk316]

Being with out Eaves and Gibson is not a valid excuse. Not including the lockout season, Eaves has played more than 60 games 3 out of 10 seasons... Counting on him to play every game is just ****ing stupid. Same with Gibson. If you're going to count on very injury prone players playing primary roles you better have damn good backup plans in place. .

The point is Anaheim was without 2/3rd of its top line, their starting goalie and Lindholm and Kesler should not have been playing.
Nashville was without its top line center and Mike Fisher.

 

[Trojans86]

I talked to my source that works high up with the Ducks and something is brewing over there. He couldnt tell me what but I would expect some big changes.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I talked to my source that works high up with the Ducks and something is brewing over there. He couldnt tell me what but I would expect some big changes.

Like how big if you had to give an educated guess

 

[Getzmonster]

Murray and his bullets, hide your children.

 

[mightyquack]

I talked to my source that works high up with the Ducks and something is brewing over there. He couldnt tell me what but I would expect some big changes.

In before Getzlaf trade

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Friedman said on his podcast he thinks Perry gets at least another year, but if not could be the big trade of the summer, which would definitely line up with something big happening. Starting to think we don't have a great feel for his actual trade value, so hopefully Murray recognizes the oppprtunity.

 

[Duck Off]

That's probably not even the list (Boston?) and these lists pre-playoffs are always quite wrong. No 1 seed has ever won the cup under the new format(Pittsburgh is the only 2 seed) and no 1 or 2 has even made it out of the West.

Boston is terrific but before the playoffs started, I would of had them 5th and a step below those 4 in a second tier group that included us and Columbus.

I don't put too much thought into seed. Some teams just have another level when the playoffs start. The last team I didn't have in that "top tier/cup contender group" was the 11-12 year the Kings won.

There's a reason our two WCF teams are the only ones most seem to even consider (despite the 2016 team easily being a comparable roster.

If memory serves the correct, the team that lost to Chicago looked like:

Beleskey-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Maroon-Rakell-Palmieri
Etem-Thompson-Jackman?

Fowler-Despres
Lindholm-Beauchemin
Stoner-Vatanen

Andersen

That following offseason Murray let Beleskey and Beauchemin walk. Traded Palmieri for a pick. Traded for Kevin f***ing Bieksa to replace Beauchemin, and traded for Carl Hagelin who was exactly what we did not need. He did pull off a terrific move and traded Hags for Perron who was an excellent fit. Perron was not even half the player he was during the playoffs though due to that injury. That's also the year Rakell kind of took a step so that helped us, but I don't think that team was close to the previous year. Bieksa was a disaster so we had a massive hole in the top 4. McGinn was a decent pickup but that team didn't have the depth the prior year did either.