Speculation: 2017-2018 Trade Rumors Thread

[nilssont]

Boston is terrific but before the playoffs started, I would of had them 5th and a step below those 4 in a second tier group that included us and Columbus.

I don't put too much thought into seed. Some teams just have another level when the playoffs start. The last team I didn't have in that "top tier/cup contender group" was the 11-12 year the Kings won.



If memory serves the correct, the team that lost to Chicago looked like:

Beleskey-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Maroon-Rakell-Palmieri
Etem-Thompson-Jackman?

Fowler-Despres
Lindholm-Beauchemin
Stoner-Vatanen

Andersen

That following offseason Murray let Beleskey and Beauchemin walk. Traded Palmieri for a pick. Signed Kevin ****ing Bieksa to replace Beauchemin, and traded for Carl Hagelin who was exactly what we did not need. He did pull off a terrific move and traded Hags for Perron who was an excellent fit. Perron was not even half the player he was during the playoffs though due to that injury. That's also the year Rakell kind of took a step so that helped us, but I don't think that team was close to the previous year. Bieksa was a disaster so we had a massive hole in the top 4. McGinn was a decent pickup but that team didn't have the depth the prior year did either.

Hold your horses. I think we actually trade for Bieksa. A 2nd nonetheless, lol

 

[Duck Off]

If Eaves is healthy, I think Murray should just try to move him. Clear the salary and open up a roster spot.

Agreed. I'd much rather keep him over Perry, but I don't think trading Perry is realistic.

The point is Anaheim was without 2/3rd of its top line, their starting goalie and Lindholm and Kesler should not have been playing.
Nashville was without its top line center and Mike Fisher.

Nasvhille was also missing Fiala. Fisher was their 2nd line center too. So that'd be like missing Getzlaf, Kesler, and whoever was compatible with Fiala. The injuries definitely hurt us, but IMO, it's stupid to say we lost that because of injuries when Nashville's injuries were arguably just as bad. I can't stand when people bring up Eaves. That dude misses at least 40 games a season consistently. Of course he was f***ing hurt.

I talked to my source that works high up with the Ducks and something is brewing over there. He couldnt tell me what but I would expect some big changes.

I swear to god if we trade Getzlaf or Lindholm, I will shoot someone. I don't see how we make big changes. Unless they consider moving Silfverberg or Ritchie a big change, I don't see it.

Friedman said on his podcast he thinks Perry gets at least another year, but if not could be the big trade of the summer, which would definitely line up with something big happening. Starting to think we don't have a great feel for his actual trade value, so hopefully Murray recognizes the oppprtunity.

Love your optimism. I don't share it in regards to Perry and his value, but I agree. If someone is willing to take him, do it yesterday.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Boston is terrific but before the playoffs started, I would of had them 5th and a step below those 4 in a second tier group that included us and Columbus.

I don't put too much thought into seed. Some teams just have another level when the playoffs start. The last team I didn't have in that "top tier/cup contender group" was the 11-12 year the Kings won.



If memory serves the correct, the team that lost to Chicago looked like:

Beleskey-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Maroon-Rakell-Palmieri
Etem-Thompson-Jackman?

Fowler-Despres
Lindholm-Beauchemin
Stoner-Vatanen

Andersen

That following offseason Murray let Beleskey and Beauchemin walk. Traded Palmieri for a pick. Signed Kevin ****ing Bieksa to replace Beauchemin, and traded for Carl Hagelin who was exactly what we did not need. He did pull off a terrific move and traded Hags for Perron who was an excellent fit. Perron was not even half the player he was during the playoffs though due to that injury. That's also the year Rakell kind of took a step so that helped us, but I don't think that team was close to the previous year. Bieksa was a disaster so we had a massive hole in the top 4. McGinn was a decent pickup but that team didn't have the depth the prior year did either.

Beleskey was on Kesler line
I’m pretty sure the third line was Ricky etem cakes?

 

[Duck Off]

Hold your horses. I think we actually trade for Bieksa. A 2nd nonetheless, lol

ugh. how could I forget that. Damn you for reminding me though

 

[Duck Off]

Beleskey was on Kesler line
I’m pretty sure the third line was Ricky etem cakes?

The line combos constantly changed as I remember Thompson centering the 3rd line at times. I think we traded Cakes before the playoffs. Beleskey did spend time with Kesler like you mentioned. I do remember Cogs being on that line at times too though.

 

[AngelDuck]

In before Ducks Nation/Unfinished Business laughs at us for even discussing getting rid of Perry/Kesler again

 

[bsu]

Want to bet money on it?

 

[AngelDuck]

Want to bet money on it?

sure since you think it's a .0001% chance, why don't we go with those odds. I'll give you a penny, you give me a grand

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

If Eaves is healthy, I think Murray should just try to move him. Clear the salary and open up a roster spot.

Eaves or Perry? I don't see a market for Eaves due to his health. Perry may have a market but I still think it would be tough to pull off.

 

[darkwingduck]

2015 was

Maroon-Getz-Perry
Bells-Kesler-Silf
Cogs-Thompson-Palmieri

4th was a combo of Jackman, Fleischmann, Etem, Sekac, and Rakell.

 

[alcolol]

Gut feeling for the off-season:

- Re-sign Grant for 2 years and $1.75m AAV
Explanation: Quality depth players are harder to come by than people think. Anaheim's familiarity with Grant and his ability to move up and down the lineup, in addition to him being a left-handed center, factors into Murray's presumed desire to re-sign him. This is the same contract Vermette signed and I don't see Grant receiving more term or money elsewhere.

- Extend Henrique, Montour, and Kase to longterm contracts; bridge Ritchie and Welinski
Explanation: Murray is quoted as having expressed interest in extending Henrique this off-season, as well as signing Montour to a longterm extension. Signing Kase to a longterm contract is perhaps wishful thinking on my part and will realistically depend on salary cap space. Bridging Ritchie and Welinski is the logical move as neither has earned anything more. Their contracts are likely to be inconsequential so I'll think twice before guessing the term/AAV. My guesses for the longterm contracts are as follows: Henrique at 4 years/$5m AAV, Montour at 6 years/$4m AAV, Kase at 5 years/$3.5m.

- Trade Silfverberg (perhaps with a combination of picks/prospects) to move up in the draft
Explanation: Looking at the wingers signed for next season -- Perry, Rakell, Eaves, Silfverberg, Cogliano, Ritchie (RFA), Kase (RFA), Terry (who I believe is NHL-ready) -- Silfverberg is on paper the easiest to move and most likely given internal replacements (Terry). Barring a Perry trade, I doubt Murray can extend both Henrique and Silfverberg and my guess is Henrique is more likely to be in our longterm plans. Personally, I'd trade Silfverberg to Colorado for one of their 2019 1sts.

- Sign a veteran/bruiser forward (my hope is Reaves) and a veteran/#7 defenseman (yes, I know Holzer still exists).

Gut feeling for the 2018-19 lineup:

Rakell - Getzlaf - Perry
Cogliano - Kesler - Terry
Ritchie - Henrique - Kase
Kerdiles/Kossila/Roy (in that order of likelihood) - Grant - Eaves

Lindholm - Manson
Fowler - Montour
Pettersson - Welinski/Holzer

Gibson
Miller

 

[Masch78]

We basically kill the shutdown line. And I doubt Terry will be able to fill that role. I think your contract suggestions are too low, beside Montys. Henrique at 4y seems not realistic to me.

 

[alcolol]

We basically kill the shutdown line. And I doubt Terry will be able to fill that role. I think your contract suggestions are too low, beside Montys. Henrique at 4y seems not realistic to me.

Yes, inserting Terry into Silfverberg's spot is a temporary downgrade but to say it "kills the shutdown line" is an exaggeration IMO. I think this season proved Cogliano is the more important winger [than Silf] for shutdown purposes.

Perhaps Henrique receives a 5th year on his contract, but keep in mind he'll be turning 30 halfway through the first season of said deal.

 

[bsu]

Yes, inserting Terry into Silfverberg's spot is a temporary downgrade but to say it "kills the shutdown line" is an exaggeration IMO. I think this season proved Cogliano is the more important winger [than Silf] for shutdown purposes.

Perhaps Henrique receives a 5th year on his contract, but keep in mind he'll be turning 30 halfway through the first season of said deal.

That's never stopped us lol

 

[Paul4587]

2015 was

Maroon-Getz-Perry
Bells-Kesler-Silf
Cogs-Thompson-Palmieri

4th was a combo of Jackman, Fleischmann, Etem, Sekac, and Rakell.

Looking at that series and where Rakell was at then shows how far he has come in 3 years. He always had potential but his finishing ability almost came out of nowhere.

 

[Getzmonster]

Eaves or Perry? I don't see a market for Eaves due to his health. Perry may have a market but I still think it would be tough to pull off.

Eaves. I wouldn't expect much of a market either, but if he could be traded without taking a loss on it I think it's the way to go. Though it might seem like a dick move given what he's coming back from.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Hi

Gut feeling for the off-season:

- Re-sign Grant for 2 years and $1.75m AAV
Explanation: Quality depth players are harder to come by than people think. Anaheim's familiarity with Grant and his ability to move up and down the lineup, in addition to him being a left-handed center, factors into Murray's presumed desire to re-sign him. This is the same contract Vermette signed and I don't see Grant receiving more term or money elsewhere.

- Extend Henrique, Montour, and Kase to longterm contracts; bridge Ritchie and Welinski
Explanation: Murray is quoted as having expressed interest in extending Henrique this off-season, as well as signing Montour to a longterm extension. Signing Kase to a longterm contract is perhaps wishful thinking on my part and will realistically depend on salary cap space. Bridging Ritchie and Welinski is the logical move as neither has earned anything more. Their contracts are likely to be inconsequential so I'll think twice before guessing the term/AAV. My guesses for the longterm contracts are as follows: Henrique at 4 years/$5m AAV, Montour at 6 years/$4m AAV, Kase at 5 years/$3.5m.

- Trade Silfverberg (perhaps with a combination of picks/prospects) to move up in the draft
Explanation: Looking at the wingers signed for next season -- Perry, Rakell, Eaves, Silfverberg, Cogliano, Ritchie (RFA), Kase (RFA), Terry (who I believe is NHL-ready) -- Silfverberg is on paper the easiest to move and most likely given internal replacements (Terry). Barring a Perry trade, I doubt Murray can extend both Henrique and Silfverberg and my guess is Henrique is more likely to be in our longterm plans. Personally, I'd trade Silfverberg to Colorado for one of their 2019 1sts.

- Sign a veteran/bruiser forward (my hope is Reaves) and a veteran/#7 defenseman (yes, I know Holzer still exists).

Gut feeling for the 2018-19 lineup:

Rakell - Getzlaf - Perry
Cogliano - Kesler - Terry
Ritchie - Henrique - Kase
Kerdiles/Kossila/Roy (in that order of likelihood) - Grant - Eaves

Lindholm - Manson
Fowler - Montour
Pettersson - Welinski/Holzer

Gibson
Miller

Highly doubt Henrique takes a pay cut

 

[alcolol]

Hi

Highly doubt Henrique takes a pay cut

Henrique currently makes $4m and the deal I proposed has him making $5m.

 

[Paul4587]

I talked to my source that works high up with the Ducks and something is brewing over there. He couldnt tell me what but I would expect some big changes.

Trying to think who it could mean if true and unless we are finding a taker for Perry this screams Silfverberg. The only other changes that could be considered big would be to move one of Getzlaf, Kesler, Manson, Lindholm or Fowler and the chances of one of those guys moving is almost zero.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Don't see Grant getting more that $1M AAV. I'd prefer one year, could live with two and will be pissed if it's more.

If Sif gets moved I'd much prefer futures than to give him away as a means to move up. This is supposed to be a good and deep draft. In any deal involving picks, give me more picks not higher picks.

 

[gilfaizon]

Don't see Grant getting more that $1M AAV. I'd prefer one year, could live with two and will be pissed if it's more.

If Sif gets moved I'd much prefer futures than to give him away as a means to move up. This is supposed to be a good and deep draft. In any deal involving picks, give me more picks not higher picks.

Came here for this. Would be extremely disappointed to pay 1.75 for Grant. That money could probably be used better

 

[Masch78]

Henrique currently makes $4m and the deal I proposed has him making $5m.

Henrique made 5m this season and will make 5.5 next on a contract he signed as a RFA. A contract he signed after a season wher he spent 16 games in the AHL. The deal was structured: 2m, 3m, 4m, 4.5m, 5m, 5.5m - cap hit 4m.

A new deal around 5m would be a highly discounted contract imho.

In general, we free 5.5m on forward salaries that we can use on Kase, Ritchie and Grant and Eaves will count as well. On defense we have 5m we can use for Monty and Welinski.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Came here for this. Would be extremely disappointed to pay 1.75 for Grant. That money could probably be used better

Yeah at his age, still without a full season under his belt...hard to see him having the leverage to pull much more than a 1 year deal worth around $1M or slightly more.

 

[Duck Off]

2015 was

Maroon-Getz-Perry
Bells-Kesler-Silf
Cogs-Thompson-Palmieri

4th was a combo of Jackman, Fleischmann, Etem, Sekac, and Rakell.

Yeah sounds right. I think that's why some of us were upset that Murray didn't match Chicago's price for Vermette. Would of made us deeper at center.

 

[Duck Off]

Trying to think who it could mean if true and unless we are finding a taker for Perry this screams Silfverberg. The only other changes that could be considered big would be to move one of Getzlaf, Kesler, Manson, Lindholm or Fowler and the chances of one of those guys moving is almost zero.

yeah I've been saying it for months now. I think Murray's big change will be trading one or both of Silfverberg and Ritchie. Ideally neither is traded but they're the only realistic guys that we could trade IMO.