Speculation: 2017-2018 Trade Rumors Thread

[Dr Johnny Fever]

The buyout does two things. It reduces the amount we have to pay him by a 3rd and it extends the time we have to pay him so it helps a ton in the short run, which also happens to be the last years of our window. We would save $4.5m next year and $6m the year after. In theory we could use those savings and trade Henrique for futures and sign Tavares. Im sure it wont happen but you still have to look at the options.

Would you rather have Tavares and futures (from Henrique trade) or Henrique and Perry? You could probably get a first for henrique. We would need to move money around a bit but we could make it happen if we really wanted to. We could also go after someone else.

Just saying there are options out there and they dont look all that bad.

This is not correct. He has bonus money due next year and the final year. $2.5 next year and $3.0 the last year. The savings are minimal.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

By the time RC is gone (end of next season likely) Getzlaf will be 34 years old.

They blew the rest of the window on the wrong coach. It is what it is.

I don't think we win the cup with Tavares here next year when Randy is still telling Montour to dump the puck

I’ll second that statement. Our window is slammed shut with RC at the helm.

 

[Trojans86]

By the time RC is gone (end of next season likely) Getzlaf will be 34 years old.

They blew the rest of the window on the wrong coach. It is what it is.

I don't think we win the cup with Tavares here next year when Randy is still telling Montour to dump the puck

Yeah with RC you are probably right. We would be pretty good with Tavares and a better Kesler.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

By the time RC is gone (end of next season likely) Getzlaf will be 34 years old.

They blew the rest of the window on the wrong coach. It is what it is.

I don't think we win the cup with Tavares here next year when Randy is still telling Montour to dump the puck

This can't be pointed out often enough.

 

[Trojans86]

This is not correct. He has bonus money due next year and the final year. $2.5 next year and $3.0 the last year. The savings are minimal.

Im no expert but cap friendly says $4.5 next year and 6 the year after

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Im no expert but cap friendly says $4.5 next year and 6 the year after

That's because bonus have to be paid and can't be bought out. Therefore they aren't part of the so called calculation but must be added and paid when the contract specified them. $6M is correct for the year after because that year has no bonus. The first and third years do.

 

[bsu]

We are not getting rid of Perry or Kesler!

Stop dreaming!

 

[nbducksfan19]

I believe you mentioned elsewhere the players' dislike of RC. Can you elaborate any on that? Specific players or just a general discontent team wide?

I know of a specific player, but the sentiment indicated that player is certainly not alone. It is also a player who seems fairly even keeled.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I know of a specific player, but the sentiment indicated that player is certainly not alone. It is also a player who seems fairly even keeled.

It would be interesting to hear their take on Bob’s post mortem and prediction of next year’s direction.

 

[Masch78]

I know of a specific player, but the sentiment indicated that player is certainly not alone. It is also a player who seems fairly even keeled.

This sounds like Fox news "somebody said ...".

I'm pretty sure you will find a player who does not like the coach on every team.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

If Randy's tactics worked the players would put up with him. But they see the games up close, they know his way isn't working and his demanding practices are outdated. The Preds for instance do not have morning skates very often on game day. They feel like that energy is best conserved for real games and they never look tired.
Meanwhile the ducks frequently lack energy and often seem to have less than an opponent that played the night before.

 

[tomd]

I've had the feeling over the past 1-2 years that the Ducks will follow the same road as Vancouver has over the past 4-5 years. Vancouver was a 100 point team as recently as 14-15. They declined quickly as the Sedin's got older. Ducks are on the same path with Getzlaf, Perry, and Kesler. You can argue that the Ducks have a better foundation on D (which is probably true) but I think that only leads you to believe that they will be a "black hole" team instead of a bottom 5 team in the future. I honestly don't see how BM can prevent this from happening. I can see one more decent year in 18-19 before the wheels start coming off and the team begins to slide into mediocrity. I don't see any hope of this team (as currently constructed) getting out of the first round of the playoffs (if they make them at all).

 

[Exit Dose]

That is already not true. Vancouver's slide was brought about by several years of poor scouting. We are already loaded up in ways they never were.

 

[Vinegar Strokes]

Look at Shea as the first man to leave the zone. Gallant must be a terrible coach if he's letting his defensemen lead the rush like that. Thank god we have Randy keeping all our defenseman stationary!

 

[tomd]

That is already not true. Vancouver's slide was brought about by several years of poor scouting. We are already loaded up in ways they never were.

I respectfully disagree as it applies to forwards. Ducks have drafted (and kept) exactly one top 6 forward (Rakell) over the last 10 years. The ones they've traded away (Palmieri and Karlsson) returned absolutely zero. Ritchie is looking very shaky and is light years from top 6 territory. Terry, Jones, Comtois, and Steel are promising but are still very much unknown quantities.

Like the Ducks, Vancouver was drafting in the 20s for most of this decade until 2014 when the took Virtanen at 6 (big mistake as it turned out). Ducks took Ritchie (looking like a similar mistake). Since then, Vancouver has drafter Boesner and Pettersson who stack up as well as any prospects the Ducks have. They also drafted Horvat. So, no, I don't buy the terrible drafting argument...unless you can admit the Ducks drafted equally poorly.

Really, it is just the natural fact of a team riding their aging superstars into oblivion.

 

[mightyquack]

Saying Ritchie is a similar mistake to Virtanen is just wrong. Ritchie was the consensus pick with that number 10 pick at the time, it sucks he hasn't become the power forward we were hoping but there was nothing wrong with that pick. Vancouver on the other hand passed on both Nylander and Ehlers to draft Virtanen.

Also, what you said really hasn't disproved ED's point at all. Yes they have drafted some good young players RECENTLY, but the whole reason they got into the basement in the first place is because they drafted so terribly for years (when they were competitive) that by the time the Sedins started to decline they had no-one ready to come up and at least ease the scoring burden on them. And even with Vancouver's promising young forwards they now have, they really are pretty barren in defensive prospects - they won't be going anywhere unless they find some pretty quickly.

Also I agree, Anaheim has struggled to draft and develop top 6 forwards - but Anaheim does have 2 young top 6 forwards already on the roster (Rakell and Kase), so it's not like Anaheim is completely barren there. Then between Comtois/Terry/Roy/Jones - they only need 1 of those to hit (in the sense of being a good top 6 forward) to be pretty well stocked for quite a while for top 6 wingers. Center is another situation all together, Anaheim is hoping that Steel can become a #1 down the line (jury is out on that one).

Anaheim really isn't in a terrible position, they have a #1 goaltender, a very good top 4 who are all on the younger side and some good young forwards on the roster, really the only thing they are missing is a high end young center (if Steel develops into a good #2 that is still pretty good for Anaheim) but other then that they have all the pieces to be a solid team for a long time. Can't help but feeling Anaheim's demise is being a little overblown, unless Getzlaf loses both legs in the off-season.

 

[tomd]

Saying Ritchie is a similar mistake to Virtanen is just wrong. Ritchie was the consensus pick with that number 10 pick at the time, it sucks he hasn't become the power forward we were hoping but there was nothing wrong with that pick. Vancouver on the other hand passed on both Nylander and Ehlers to draft Virtanen.

Also, what you said really hasn't disproved ED's point at all. Yes they have drafted some good young players RECENTLY, but the whole reason they got into the basement in the first place is because they drafted so terribly for years (when they were competitive) that by the time the Sedins started to decline they had no-one ready to come up and at least ease the scoring burden on them. And even with Vancouver's promising young forwards they now have, they really are pretty barren in defensive prospects - they won't be going anywhere unless they find some pretty quickly.

Also I agree, Anaheim has struggled to draft and develop top 6 forwards - but Anaheim does have 2 young top 6 forwards already on the roster (Rakell and Kase), so it's not like Anaheim is completely barren there. Then between Comtois/Terry/Roy/Jones - they only need 1 of those to hit (in the sense of being a good top 6 forward) to be pretty well stocked for quite a while for top 6 wingers. Center is another situation all together, Anaheim is hoping that Steel can become a #1 down the line (jury is out on that one).

Anaheim really isn't in a terrible position, they have a #1 goaltender, a very good top 4 who are all on the younger side and some good young forwards on the roster, really the only thing they are missing is a high end young center (if Steel develops into a good #2 that is still pretty good for Anaheim) but other then that they have all the pieces to be a solid team for a long time. Can't help but feeling Anaheim's demise is being a little overblown, unless Getzlaf loses both legs in the off-season.

I'll concede all your points but I still believe that it still leaves the Ducks as a black hole team as age diminishes the play of the big (and expensive) 3. I don't think the Ducks will be a bottom 5 team but mediocre is very likely. Just my opinion.

 

[DaGeneral]

I'll concede all your points but I still believe that it still leaves the Ducks as a black hole team as age diminishes the play of the big (and expensive) 3. I don't think the Ducks will be a bottom 5 team but mediocre is very likely. Just my opinion.

We only have Perry for 3 more years. Kesbae can be a little more troublesome but he can bring value outside of scoring.

Getz has shown zero signs of slowing down, and he’s also only 3 more years on his contract.

If we had 5-6 years left, I’d be worried. 3 is no biggie.

 

[AngelDuck]

I think we're much more likely to end up like San Jose when Marleau and Thornton slowed down than we are to ending up like Vancouver after the Sedins slowed.

 

[Opak]

I respectfully disagree as it applies to forwards. Ducks have drafted (and kept) exactly one top 6 forward (Rakell) over the last 10 years. The ones they've traded away (Palmieri and Karlsson) returned absolutely zero. Ritchie is looking very shaky and is light years from top 6 territory. Terry, Jones, Comtois, and Steel are promising but are still very much unknown quantities.

Like the Ducks, Vancouver was drafting in the 20s for most of this decade until 2014 when the took Virtanen at 6 (big mistake as it turned out). Ducks took Ritchie (looking like a similar mistake). Since then, Vancouver has drafter Boesner and Pettersson who stack up as well as any prospects the Ducks have. They also drafted Horvat. So, no, I don't buy the terrible drafting argument...unless you can admit the Ducks drafted equally poorly.

Really, it is just the natural fact of a team riding their aging superstars into oblivion.

Let this serve as a reminder why it's never a good idea to prematurely yank prospects into the NHL, no matter how badly the NHL team is doing. In 2015, Ritchie was looking like a star forward in San Diego, but after his call-up he never really "recovered" back to his previous level. The team ended up breaking out of their slump by themselves and ultimately made the playoffs, so Ritchie's callup ended up being absolutely unnecessary...

If Ritchie ends up not living up to expectations, it's because our organization failed to develop him properly. It doesn't matter what player we pick at 10th overall, if the prospect gets misused and mismanaged. It drives me insane to think about the fact that Bob called up Ritchie, who was nowhere near NHL ready, but refuses to call up guys like Roy, Kossila etc., who have nothing left to prove in the AHL. Because 'muh veterans' or some ****.

 

[Deuce22]

Look at Shea as the first man to leave the zone. Gallant must be a terrible coach if he's letting his defensemen lead the rush like that. Thank god we have Randy keeping all our defenseman stationary!

Good thing we let Vegas take him. Would have never seen much time under this coach.

 

[AngelDuck]

Watching Theodore turn into a star is going to be a lot more upsetting than the Karlsson situation for me.

 

[DuckRogers10]

Man, reading all these posts and pretty much agreeing with most of them, makes me hate having RC as our coach even more.

 

[Exit Dose]

I respectfully disagree as it applies to forwards. Ducks have drafted (and kept) exactly one top 6 forward (Rakell) over the last 10 years. The ones they've traded away (Palmieri and Karlsson) returned absolutely zero. Ritchie is looking very shaky and is light years from top 6 territory. Terry, Jones, Comtois, and Steel are promising but are still very much unknown quantities.

Like the Ducks, Vancouver was drafting in the 20s for most of this decade until 2014 when the took Virtanen at 6 (big mistake as it turned out). Ducks took Ritchie (looking like a similar mistake). Since then, Vancouver has drafter Boesner and Pettersson who stack up as well as any prospects the Ducks have. They also drafted Horvat. So, no, I don't buy the terrible drafting argument...unless you can admit the Ducks drafted equally poorly.

Really, it is just the natural fact of a team riding their aging superstars into oblivion.

Haha, I suggest looking at their draft record further back than 2014. (eta: clarity)2014 doesn't make sense to use here. Most of those players are still finding their way through the system. Anaheim was drafting in the 20's and pulling talent, the Canucks weren't.

You also forgot Kase.

 

[Paul4587]

Watching Theodore turn into a star is going to be a lot more upsetting than the Karlsson situation for me.

Yep. While none of us can say the Henrique for Vatanen deal was on the table pre expansion draft, giving up Theodore because we gave Bieksa a NMC is not one of Bobs finest moves.